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Dec 15, 2005, 5:23 PM

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Bangkok bid

>
>
> Can I start pushing the POV that Wikimania 2007 should be in Africa?
>
> Ec

Ermmmmm Bangkok is already busy launching a bid for 2007 ;) just to
inform you .... I finally found some Thai wikipedians interested in the
idea. One of whom has organised conferences before. Asia is host to some
big languages and a few of the larger wikipedia's. Bangkok has direct
flights to all continents but South America. Visas are absolutely no
problem for almost any nationality. Local costs are extremely low. Meals
can be had for 1 or 2 euros, also every major cuisine and many "minor"
ones are catered for, so even if you do not want to eat Thai food you
have choices aplenty. The price if the youthhostel in Frankfurt will put
you in a great hotel here. Rooms are available from 3 euro's and up, you
usually pay per room not per person! And last but not least we do not
need to hold the conference in Bangkok. Many beachresort have excellent
facilities. So we could have a wikimania at the beach!

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Dec 15, 2005, 5:39 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

are you serious? i'd love the idea!

oscar

On 12/16/05, Walter van Kalken <walter [at] vankalken> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Can I start pushing the POV that Wikimania 2007 should be in Africa?
> >
> > Ec
>
> Ermmmmm Bangkok is already busy launching a bid for 2007 ;) just to
> inform you .... I finally found some Thai wikipedians interested in the
> idea. One of whom has organised conferences before. Asia is host to some
> big languages and a few of the larger wikipedia's. Bangkok has direct
> flights to all continents but South America. Visas are absolutely no
> problem for almost any nationality. Local costs are extremely low. Meals
> can be had for 1 or 2 euros, also every major cuisine and many "minor"
> ones are catered for, so even if you do not want to eat Thai food you
> have choices aplenty. The price if the youthhostel in Frankfurt will put
> you in a great hotel here. Rooms are available from 3 euro's and up, you
> usually pay per room not per person! And last but not least we do not
> need to hold the conference in Bangkok. Many beachresort have excellent
> facilities. So we could have a wikimania at the beach!
>
> Waerth/Walter
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Dec 15, 2005, 7:41 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

oscar wrote:

>are you serious? i'd love the idea!
>
>oscar
>
>
Yes I am,

We had a wikipedia presentation last week on a congress for teachers. We
were invited there by a wikipedian (Korakot) who works for the Thailand
Knowledge Management Institute (KMI) ... kinda the Thai version of
Kennisnet ... who sponsored us for that congress. He says he is sure he
can find sponsors from KMI and thinks others are sure. It all started
with a discussion on how to get Jimbo to Thailand. Another Thai
wikipedian (TouTou) who is a university teacher and was also helping
with the presentation then said she had organised congresses already and
that her university has facilities but that congressspace is cheap and
aplenty in Thailand anyway. So we have two persons who have experience
in the field. And one village idiot (me) so that seems enough to start a
serious bid because people will always offer help once the train starts
rolling.

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Dec 15, 2005, 8:26 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

And I suppose Wikimania 2011 will end up being at McMurdo Station. It
will take some working up to. [.Then 2012 : in orbit? There was
something about a sub-orbital bid. And depending on what the next
World Age brings -- Revelation... Apokemon... Xists -- 2013 may be
something completely different.]

-- sj

On 12/15/05, Walter van Kalken <walter [at] vankalken> wrote:
> oscar wrote:
>
> >are you serious? i'd love the idea!
> >
> >oscar
> >
> >
> Yes I am,
>
> We had a wikipedia presentation last week on a congress for teachers. We
> were invited there by a wikipedian (Korakot) who works for the Thailand
> Knowledge Management Institute (KMI) ... kinda the Thai version of
> Kennisnet ... who sponsored us for that congress. He says he is sure he
> can find sponsors from KMI and thinks others are sure. It all started
> with a discussion on how to get Jimbo to Thailand. Another Thai
> wikipedian (TouTou) who is a university teacher and was also helping
> with the presentation then said she had organised congresses already and
> that her university has facilities but that congressspace is cheap and
> aplenty in Thailand anyway. So we have two persons who have experience
> in the field. And one village idiot (me) so that seems enough to start a
> serious bid because people will always offer help once the train starts
> rolling.
>
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Dec 15, 2005, 9:13 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

SJ wrote:

>And I suppose Wikimania 2011 will end up being at McMurdo Station. It
>will take some working up to. [.Then 2012 : in orbit? There was
>something about a sub-orbital bid. And depending on what the next
>World Age brings -- Revelation... Apokemon... Xists -- 2013 may be
>something completely different.]
>
>-- sj
>
What on earth did I deserve such an answer for.

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Dec 15, 2005, 10:02 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

SJ wrote:

>And I suppose Wikimania 2011 will end up being at McMurdo Station. It
>will take some working up to. [Then 2012 : in orbit?
>
That's out of this world!

>There was
>something about a sub-orbital bid. And depending on what the next
>World Age brings -- Revelation... Apokemon... Xists -- 2013 may be
>something completely different.]
>
Could we book early for someone like Eric Idle or John Cleese to be a
guest speaker? :-)

Ec

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Dec 15, 2005, 10:05 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

Walter van Kalken wrote:

> SJ wrote:
>
>> And I suppose Wikimania 2011 will end up being at McMurdo Station. It
>> will take some working up to. [.Then 2012 : in orbit? There was
>> something about a sub-orbital bid. And depending on what the next
>> World Age brings -- Revelation... Apokemon... Xists -- 2013 may be
>> something completely different.]
>>
>> -- sj
>
> What on earth did I deserve such an answer for.

Shouldn't you mean "What NOT on earth ..." :-)

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Dec 15, 2005, 10:16 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

Ray Saintonge wrote:

> Walter van Kalken wrote:
>
>> SJ wrote:
>>
>>> And I suppose Wikimania 2011 will end up being at McMurdo Station. It
>>> will take some working up to. [.Then 2012 : in orbit? There was
>>> something about a sub-orbital bid. And depending on what the next
>>> World Age brings -- Revelation... Apokemon... Xists -- 2013 may be
>>> something completely different.]
>>>
>>> -- sj
>>
>>
>> What on earth did I deserve such an answer for.
>
>
> Shouldn't you mean "What NOT on earth ..." :-)
>
> Ec

No in response to a suggestion by you to make Africa the predestined
continent I already put up a bid for bangkok. I treated you with respect
I like to be treated back with respect it could be my lack of sleep but
I am pretty pissed at SJ's answer especially in the light of him being
at the current wikimania organising committee I find him ridiculing
someone else's idea totally inappropriate and uncalled for.

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Dec 16, 2005, 1:01 AM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

On 12/16/05, Walter van Kalken <walter [at] vankalken> wrote:
> What on earth did I deserve such an answer for.

Hm? Just thinking ahead to what happens when you run out of
continents... no ridicule here. A Thai bid would be exciting. There
really was already discussion of having Wikimania in sub-orbit.

> No in response to a suggestion by you to make Africa the predestined
> continent I already put up a bid for bangkok.

I think you're taking Ec the wrong way... it sounded to me as though
he wanted to encourage a serious Africa bid, though maybe not in a
position to make one himself.

But Ec wrote:
> Could we book early for someone like Eric Idle or John Cleese to be a
> guest speaker? :-)

If we have /really/ out of this world contacts by then, maybe we could
book Douglas Adams...

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Dec 16, 2005, 3:46 AM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

Walter van Kalken wrote:
> Ray Saintonge wrote:
>
>> Walter van Kalken wrote:
>>
>>> SJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> And I suppose Wikimania 2011 will end up being at McMurdo Station. It
>>>> will take some working up to. [.Then 2012 : in orbit? There was
>>>> something about a sub-orbital bid. And depending on what the next
>>>> World Age brings -- Revelation... Apokemon... Xists -- 2013 may be
>>>> something completely different.]
>>>>
>>>> -- sj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What on earth did I deserve such an answer for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Shouldn't you mean "What NOT on earth ..." :-)
>>
>> Ec
>
>
> No in response to a suggestion by you to make Africa the predestined
> continent I already put up a bid for bangkok. I treated you with respect
> I like to be treated back with respect it could be my lack of sleep but
> I am pretty pissed at SJ's answer especially in the light of him being
> at the current wikimania organising committee I find him ridiculing
> someone else's idea totally inappropriate and uncalled for.
>
> Waerth/Walter

Hello

Three little points here.

First, I agree with Waerth that, Samuel, your comments appear quite
offending. It may be that you did not mean them to be and that it was
humor, but I fear it will not appear that way to many readers of the list.

Second and possibly more important point. There is currently no
organising committee per se. There is a group of interested individuals,
more or less involved in organising Wikimania 2006. Organisation, and in
particular leadership, will probably be clarified in a couple of days.

Third point. Sj being part of the "current" most involved individuals
will not necessarily mean he will be in 2007. Nor any of the current
"organisers". I'd say, go your way and prepare a good bid for 2007 if
you think it is doable.

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Dec 16, 2005, 8:07 AM

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Re: Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

> Hello
>
> Three little points here.
>
> First, I agree with Waerth that, Samuel, your comments appear quite
> offending. It may be that you did not mean them to be and that it was
> humor, but I fear it will not appear that way to many readers of the list.
>
> Second and possibly more important point. There is currently no
> organising committee per se. There is a group of interested individuals,
> more or less involved in organising Wikimania 2006. Organisation, and in
> particular leadership, will probably be clarified in a couple of days.
>
> Third point. Sj being part of the "current" most involved individuals
> will not necessarily mean he will be in 2007. Nor any of the current
> "organisers". I'd say, go your way and prepare a good bid for 2007 if
> you think it is doable.

And fourth, you forgot Poland! We also are preparing a bid, you know.
At least we plan to, since we have the facilities, and the people
interested in organizing a conference.

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Dec 16, 2005, 9:06 AM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:
> And fourth, you forgot Poland! We also are preparing a bid, you know.
> At least we plan to, since we have the facilities, and the people
> interested in organizing a conference.
>
> --
> Pozdrawiam,
> Datrio

Welllll, okay :-)
I suddenly have a memory hole... is that the polish or the
serbian-montenegro chapter which has an event organiser in the board ?

Ant

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Dec 16, 2005, 9:34 AM

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Re: Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

On 12/16/05, Anthere <Anthere9 [at] yahoo> wrote:
> Walter van Kalken wrote:

> First, I agree with Waerth that, Samuel, your comments appear quite
> offending. It may be that you did not mean them to be and that it was
> humor, but I fear it will not appear that way to many readers of the list.

Well, to be clear : I thought Waerth's proposal, and the discussion of
other continents, was bold and great. There was no offense meant; Ray
caught it in precisely the spirit intended. As a member of the
community, and not as a "Wikimania organiser", I would love to see
more event planning in Thailand, and in Asia and Africa in general,
and think that Ec and Walter talking about this well in advance was
pretty neat.

The discussion of whether to rotate Wikimanias across continents has
been proposed before; and it was noted then too that we would run out
of continents just before the next Mayan World Age...

Dariusz : If you do something in Poland, I'll have to finish learning
Polish by then ;-)

Pozdrawiam, SJ
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Dec 16, 2005, 9:54 AM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

On 12/16/05, Walter van Kalken <walter [at] vankalken> wrote:

> No in response to a suggestion by you to make Africa the predestined
> continent I already put up a bid for bangkok. I treated you with respect
> I like to be treated back with respect it could be my lack of sleep but
> I am pretty pissed at SJ's answer....

Wow wow wow... please.

I think things have gotten a little out of hand here. But let me try
and explain. I believe Sj was rather amazed and excited than critical
at your proposal. And he adopted an artistic and "lunar" way of
saying it. Which got, apparently, completely lost in translation. And
he didn't realize how wrong you could take it. And you didn't realize
that he didn't realize.

The never ending problem of not speaking the same language in the
first place. Being a non-native myself, I think I understood where you
could take it wrong. But I am sure it wasn't meant that way.

What you think, what you say, what I hear and what I understand...
between what you think and what I understand, there can be so many
interferences. Assume good faith is a good one in this case. Let the
anger fly at first, and answer "huh????". Because, indeed, Sj's post
was... "huh?" ;-). And Sj, for any lunar interventions, remember that
some of us live on this earth and speak another tongue ;-)

Best,

Delphine
PS. This said. Bangkok? WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! :DDDD
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Dec 16, 2005, 10:04 AM

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Re: Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

>And fourth, you forgot Poland! We also are preparing a bid, you know.
>At least we plan to, since we have the facilities, and the people
>interested in organizing a conference.
>
>--
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>
Ouch Poland tough competition great country I think and in Europe. May
the best bid win Datrio :)

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Dec 16, 2005, 10:25 AM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

On 12/16/05, Delphine M�nard <notafishz [at] gmail> wrote:

> And Sj, for any lunar interventions, remember that
> some of us live on this earth and speak another tongue ;-)

Ahh, this could be a problem. But in a few years, perhaps the
Googlefish translation engine will handle even alien languages...
didn't they start a moon base recently?

> PS. This said. Bangkok? WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! :DDDD

Some sentiments need no translation. (-:

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Dec 16, 2005, 10:26 AM

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Re: Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

Walter van Kalken wrote:
>
>> And fourth, you forgot Poland! We also are preparing a bid, you know.
>> At least we plan to, since we have the facilities, and the people
>> interested in organizing a conference.
>>
>> --
>> Pozdrawiam,
>>
> Ouch Poland tough competition great country I think and in Europe. May
> the best bid win Datrio :)
>
> Waerth/Walter
Hoi,
I am aware that there may be another bid.. This would have the added
charm of being hosted from a world heritage site ..
No I am not going to say where.. But to call it a nice and interesting
place is an understatement..
Thanks,
GerardM
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Dec 16, 2005, 10:34 AM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

SJ wrote:

>On 12/16/05, Delphine M�nard <notafishz [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And Sj, for any lunar interventions, remember that
>>some of us live on this earth and speak another tongue ;-)
>>
>>
>
>Ahh, this could be a problem. But in a few years, perhaps the
>Googlefish translation engine will handle even alien languages...
>didn't they start a moon base recently?
>
>
>
>>PS. This said. Bangkok? WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! :DDDD
>>
>>
>
>Some sentiments need no translation. (-:
>
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>
I am sorry SJ for misunderstanding your text. I was and still am very
tired as I ahev barely slept since last week. Angela can confirm that
she knows how tired I was when I met her .... haven't had mucht sleep
since. I clearly misunderstood your post sorry ......

Need sleep ....
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Dec 16, 2005, 12:11 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

Walter van Kalken wrote:

> No in response to a suggestion by you to make Africa the predestined
> continent I already put up a bid for bangkok. I treated you with respect
> I like to be treated back with respect it could be my lack of sleep but
> I am pretty pissed at SJ's answer especially in the light of him being
> at the current wikimania organising committee I find him ridiculing
> someone else's idea totally inappropriate and uncalled for.

This may be a cross-lingual issue, but to me it was pretty obviously a
light and silly joke, not an attack. Please assume better faith.

- d.

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Dec 16, 2005, 12:41 PM

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Re: Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:

> And fourth, you forgot Poland!

LOL!

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Poland - current featured article!

- d.

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Dec 16, 2005, 9:19 PM

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SJ wrote:

>On 12/16/05, Walter van Kalken <walter [at] vankalken> wrote:
>
>
>>What on earth did I deserve such an answer for.
>>
>>
>Hm? Just thinking ahead to what happens when you run out of
>continents... no ridicule here. A Thai bid would be exciting. There
>really was already discussion of having Wikimania in sub-orbit.
>
My reaction to your comments were to view them as raucus humour, not
ridicule. They did have a tone reminiscent of Howard Dean, who also got
taken the wrong way.

>>No in response to a suggestion by you to make Africa the predestined
>>continent I already put up a bid for bangkok.
>>
>>
>I think you're taking Ec the wrong way... it sounded to me as though
>he wanted to encourage a serious Africa bid, though maybe not in a
>position to make one himself.
>
That's pretty well what I had in mind. My rationale was based on the
concept that if we are ever going to have a presence in the developing
world it would be a good idea to have a Wikimania there to give
Wikipedians a dramatic grasp of what the problems are. In any case,
there can be no valid African bid without Africans being involved in a
significant way.

>But Ec wrote:
>
>
>>Could we book early for someone like Eric Idle or John Cleese to be a
>>guest speaker? :-)
>>
>>
>If we have /really/ out of this world contacts by then, maybe we could
>book Douglas Adams...
>
>
Now that you put it that way maybe my invitation list for "something
completely different" should have included Graham Chapman.

Always look on the bright side of life.

Ec

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Dec 16, 2005, 9:47 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

Walter van Kalken wrote:

> Ray Saintonge wrote:
>
>> Walter van Kalken wrote:
>>
>>> SJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> And I suppose Wikimania 2011 will end up being at McMurdo Station. It
>>>> will take some working up to. [.Then 2012 : in orbit? There was
>>>> something about a sub-orbital bid. And depending on what the next
>>>> World Age brings -- Revelation... Apokemon... Xists -- 2013 may be
>>>> something completely different.]
>>>>
>>>> -- sj
>>>
>>> What on earth did I deserve such an answer for.
>>
>> Shouldn't you mean "What NOT on earth ..." :-)
>>
>> Ec
>
> No in response to a suggestion by you to make Africa the predestined
> continent I already put up a bid for bangkok. I treated you with
> respect I like to be treated back with respect it could be my lack of
> sleep but I am pretty pissed at SJ's answer especially in the light of
> him being at the current wikimania organising committee I find him
> ridiculing someone else's idea totally inappropriate and uncalled for.

In making a reference to Africa, I was certainly not aware that you had
already put in a bid for Bangkok. But even if I had known it would not
have prevented me from saying that in this very preliminary stage. Even
when I first raised such a possibility in Frankfort I had already
conceived of the possibility of an East Asian or Australian bid for
2007. Bangkok did not come to mind, but I have no objection to going
there in 2007.

I took SJ's comments in jest, and responded accordingly. No disrespect
was intended.

Ec

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Jan 7, 2006, 2:11 PM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

At 08:23 +0700 16/12/05, Walter van Kalken wrote:
>>Can I start pushing the POV that Wikimania 2007 should be in Africa?
>>
>>Ec
>
>Ermmmmm Bangkok is already busy launching a bid for 2007 ;)

Good. We are working for a UK 2007 bid (based on the 2006 proposal).

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Jan 8, 2006, 8:39 AM

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On 1/7/06, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(at)pobox.com> wrote:
> Good. We are working for a UK 2007 bid (based on the 2006 proposal).

Thailand, UK, Poland, anyone else wants to join the party? ;)

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Jan 8, 2006, 9:16 AM

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Re: Bangkok bid [In reply to]

On 1/8/06, Dariusz Siedlecki <datrio [at] gmail> wrote:
> On 1/7/06, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(at)pobox.com> wrote:
> > Good. We are working for a UK 2007 bid (based on the 2006 proposal).
>
> Thailand, UK, Poland, anyone else wants to join the party? ;)

I know for a fact the Italians are working on it in a little corner ;-).

This is going to be...interesting!

Delphine
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