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jheiskan at welho

Jun 21, 2004, 10:12 PM

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A Challenge: Sending Angela to gay Paree!

I think the ultimate decision whether Angela goes to Paris or not, should be
left up to her. Things might be different if the meeting were non-voluntary.

However; to help her make up her mind, I hereby pledge to send an International
Money-Order to the Foundation in the sum of the prize of two six-packs. (which
In my local store totals up to 13.80 Euros) I will ONLY send this if she attends
the Paris meet, and pledges to physically hug me, if and when we ever meet in
person.

Is there any other person to step up to the plate and similarly pledge the prize
of two local six-packs in this good cause?

--
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon)

luc.vanoostenryck at easynet

Jun 22, 2004, 10:44 AM

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Re: A Challenge: Sending Angela to gay Paree! [In reply to]

jheiskan [at] welho wrote:
> I think the ultimate decision whether Angela goes to Paris or not, should be
> left up to her. Things might be different if the meeting were non-voluntary.
>
> However; to help her make up her mind, I hereby pledge to send an International
> Money-Order to the Foundation in the sum of the prize of two six-packs. (which
> In my local store totals up to 13.80 Euros) I will ONLY send this if she attends
> the Paris meet, and pledges to physically hug me, if and when we ever meet in
> person.
>
> Is there any other person to step up to the plate and similarly pledge the prize
> of two local six-packs in this good cause?
>
> --
> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen (Cimon)

Excellent idea!

I find all these discussion really ridicoulous and I also think that
it is important that Angela can meet Anthere and Jimbo at Paris.

I offer 50EUR to the fondation to cover her travel if she attend the meet
and without other condition :-)

-- Looxix

sannse at tiscali

Jun 22, 2004, 1:46 PM

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Re: A Challenge: Sending Angela to gay Paree! [In reply to]

> Excellent idea!
>
> I find all these discussion really ridicoulous and I also think that
> it is important that Angela can meet Anthere and Jimbo at Paris.
>
> I offer 50EUR to the fondation to cover her travel if she attend the meet
> and without other condition :-)
>
> -- Looxix
>

I pledge 10GBP to the "get Angela to Paris" fund

(can't afford much at the moment - I'm going on the every little bit
principle)

Should I use PayPal now? or does this need to be separate somehow?

--sannse

Angela - If Cimon tries to collect on that hug - kick 'im in the goolies and
run for it ;-P

dwindrim at shaw

Jun 22, 2004, 4:15 PM

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Re: A Challenge: Sending Angela to gay Paree! [In reply to]

Angela represents for me what it is to be a real Wikipedian. Not to say
that the rest of us aren't, and there is a fair crowd of people I admire
here, but if I could do half as much as Angela in twice the time, I'd be
pretty pleased with myself. As I am presently between jobs, I cannot
afford to contribute a great deal, but I will offer a Euromoneyorder for
$10 CDN to cover some miniscule portion (some 8 air kilometres or so) of
her trip, and would be grateful for a mailing address.

Denni

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cburger at victoria

Jun 22, 2004, 5:25 PM

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Re: Re: A Challenge: Sending Angela to gay Paree! [In reply to]

I think the point being missed here is that the board is NOT going to run
Wikipedia or any other project. They are there to make it easier to run
the project, primarily by getting funding for us, coorinating people and
hardware, etc. The actual job of writing the encyclopedia/dictionary/etc.
will still be where it needs to be, in the hands of the users.

And if we don't decide to give Angela money, I pledge $10CAD to help here.

Corey Burger aka Burgundavia

daniwo59 at aol

Jun 22, 2004, 5:31 PM

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I have just donated US $10 via PayPal (seems to be the going rate) for the
express purpose of sending Angela to Paris.

Danny

hase at akademie

Jun 23, 2004, 4:22 AM

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Re: A Challenge: Sending Angela to gay Paree! [In reply to]

sannse wrote:

>>Excellent idea!
>>
>>I find all these discussion really ridicoulous and I also think that
>>it is important that Angela can meet Anthere and Jimbo at Paris.
>>
>>I offer 50EUR to the fondation to cover her travel if she attend the meet
>>and without other condition :-)
>>

I think the discussion mixes two aspects which should be separted for
transparancy:

1) the problem that successful developing organisations their elected
management usually gets apart from the broad mass of the community. This
might either be an informal process or a process due to formal
organisational structures like forming a board of a foundation. I
suppose this will not yet happen with the current members elected which
come from the roots of Wikipedia. But what will be with future
generations of board members? Usally special people get attracted by
such formal structures and are keen to get elected - as you can see in
many parties, foundations etc. worldwide. So its a kind of law that over
time the danger grows that bureaucratic structures develop and the gap
between management and the community widens more and more. It therefore
seems important to establish the most open communication rules and
transparancy to prevent such typical developments. I assume, that the
discussion about funding travel costs of board members here is just
taken as an example as a future take off by elected board members from
the basic community is feared.

2) The funding of travel costs itself. May be it could be helpful if
all people intending to give donations are given options for which
purpose they can donate - just place such options on the donation web
pages and explain them. The total amount of donations received is
usually much greater if donators can choose personally for what purpose
their donation shall be used for. One of the options could then be the
funding of travel costs. I think this would be the most open approach
towards donators. At the same time budgets and aims for donations must
be openly argued for and published. Furthermore internal discussions
about justifications why what money for what purpose shall be used can
be avoided. If nobody donates for a purpose proposed - just let it be.
Presenting the donation community the needs for funding by options is
the fairest approach, its their money Wikipedia uses. And letting the
donators decide about how their money shall be spent, you can be sure
that they are willing to spend much more in total cash. By this
Wikipedia will have the greatest benefit possible.

Dietrich
hase [at] akademie

t.starling at physics

Jun 23, 2004, 7:05 AM

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Re: A Challenge: Sending Angela to gay Paree! [In reply to]

I have sent US$13.71 (A$20) to Wikimedia, as a contribution towards
Angela's travel costs to Paris.

-- Tim Starling

beesley at gmail

Jun 23, 2004, 6:20 PM

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Re: A Challenge: Sending Angela to gay Paree! [In reply to]

I want to say a huge thank you to everyone who has pledged money for
me to go to Paris. If I've converted the various currencies correctly,
it amounts to around Â£83/ â‚¬125/ $151, which is almost the exact cost
of a train from Colchester to Waterloo and the Eurostar train from
London to Paris. As the meeting is for one day only, I don't intend
claiming any money for accommodation. I really appreciate the
donations that people have made for this as it means no money needs to
come out of existing funds. I expect that meeting Anthere and Jimbo in
person to discuss our plans for the forthcoming year will be very
beneficial and I'm grateful for the support of others who see it this
way.

For anyone interested in new pages related to the foundation, please
see the new Wikimedia category on Meta at
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Foundation.

Angela.

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