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kozuch82 at gmail

Apr 6, 2012, 12:45 AM

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Hi there,

new projects suck, because there are (close to) none

asked some time ago already with few positive replies

bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923

is there someone who can help move on?

not really expecting tremendous action(s), but just giving it a try
before I give here up completely

Cheers,
Kozuch

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Apr 6, 2012, 1:31 AM

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On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail> wrote:
> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none

Well propose a non sucky one then?

TBH I don't class a Q&A site really as a new project. Since that bug
(if memory serves correctly) is just about setting one up for
questions about using/editing WMF projects compared to a more general
Q&A involving almost any topic questions.

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monomium at gmail

Apr 6, 2012, 7:31 AM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

Well, I don't think it could be successful unless the Foundation threw
their support behind it.

On Friday, April 6, 2012, K. Peachey wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>
> Well propose a non sucky one then?
>
> TBH I don't class a Q&A site really as a new project. Since that bug
> (if memory serves correctly) is just about setting one up for
> questions about using/editing WMF projects compared to a more general
> Q&A involving almost any topic questions.
>
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kozuch82 at gmail

Apr 6, 2012, 11:18 AM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

Yes and why the damn WMF does not throw their support behind such
projects? Do they consider us all to be useless idiots when proposing
such things?

2012/4/6 Mono <monomium [at] gmail>:
> Well, I don't think it could be successful unless the Foundation threw
> their support behind it.
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, K. Peachey wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jan Kuera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> > new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>
>> Well propose a non sucky one then?
>>
>> TBH I don't class a Q&A site really as a new project. Since that bug
>> (if memory serves correctly) is just about setting one up for
>> questions about using/editing WMF projects compared to a more general
>> Q&A involving almost any topic questions.
>>
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meta.sj at gmail

Apr 6, 2012, 11:26 AM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>
> bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
> is there someone who can help move on?

It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
one of those sites?

As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think
it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
there recently.

SJ

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gregory.varnum at gmail

Apr 6, 2012, 11:28 AM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.

-greg aka varnent



On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>
>> bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>> is there someone who can help move on?
>
> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
> one of those sites?
>
> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think
> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
> there recently.
>
> SJ
>
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Apr 6, 2012, 11:52 AM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers

And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?

I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
focus on building a help channel there".
As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
reference resource.

SJ

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum [at] gmail> wrote:
> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>
> -greg aka varnent
>
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>
>>> bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>
>> It looks like a good idea to me.  Do you have any experience running
>> one of those sites?
>>
>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful.   So I think
>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>> there recently.
>>
>> SJ
>>
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kozuch82 at gmail

Apr 6, 2012, 12:39 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

I will be happy to set such a site for the Foundation, as soon as
someone gives me the power to do so... the only development task is to
connect existing software (probably OSQA) to Global login system...

Btw, Erik, I actually like acting rather than talking and I am
terribly frustrated from the "nothing" (maybe except Wikidata, but
that is not WMF again) that is currently happening in Wikimedia...
then it happens that if I talk you may think I am ill... which again
actually may partly be true temporarily. Anyways I do not feel like
having to excuse myself for such behavior...

Linking the old thread:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/242379

2012/4/6 Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail>:
> Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>
> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>
> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
> focus on building a help channel there".
> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
> questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
> reference resource.
>
> SJ
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum [at] gmail> wrote:
>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>>
>> -greg aka varnent
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kuera <kozuch82 [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>>
>>>> bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>>
>>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
>>> one of those sites?
>>>
>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think
>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>>> there recently.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
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gregory.varnum at gmail

Apr 6, 2012, 1:08 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

Some modifications and requested info has been added to: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)

-greg aka varnent


On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:

> Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>
> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>
> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
> focus on building a help channel there".
> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
> questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
> reference resource.
>
> SJ
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum [at] gmail> wrote:
>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>>
>> -greg aka varnent
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>>
>>>> bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>>
>>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
>>> one of those sites?
>>>
>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think
>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>>> there recently.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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monomium at gmail

Apr 6, 2012, 1:30 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua

On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:

> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
>
> -greg aka varnent
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
> >
> > And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
> > dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
> >
> > I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
> > focus on building a help channel there".
> > As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
> > questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
> > formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
> > and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
> > reference resource.
> >
> > SJ
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum [at] gmail<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
> wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
> >>
> >> -greg aka varnent
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>>> Hi there,
> >>>>
> >>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
> >>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
> >>>>
> >>>> bug was already filled at
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
> >>>> is there someone who can help move on?
> >>>
> >>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
> >>> one of those sites?
> >>>
> >>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
> >>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think
> >>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
> >>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
> >>> there recently.
> >>>
> >>> SJ
> >>>
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Apr 6, 2012, 1:40 PM

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Is there a more "wiki" like version of that platform available - or would development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer developers?

-greg


On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono <monomium [at] gmail> wrote:

> Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>
>> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
>>
>> -greg aka varnent
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>>>
>>> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
>>> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>>>
>>> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
>>> focus on building a help channel there".
>>> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
>>> questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
>>> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
>>> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
>>> reference resource.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum [at] gmail<javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
>> wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>>>>
>>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bug was already filled at
>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
>>>>> one of those sites?
>>>>>
>>>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>>>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I think
>>>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>>>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>>>>> there recently.
>>>>>
>>>>> SJ
>>>>>
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Apr 6, 2012, 1:43 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

WOW, you guys are bashing the WMF for not supporting a legal nightmare, and
yet another clone of an existing service (answers.yahoo.com). The
legalities and paperwork necessary to avoid the WMF from getting their
asses sued off for bad answers is probably a multi-year endeavor, and a
money sink. How would such a system function without degrading into a crap
pit? And how would that further the goals of the WMF?

On Friday, April 6, 2012, Mono wrote:

> Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>
> > Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
> >
> > -greg aka varnent
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;><javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
> > >
> > > And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
> > > dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
> > >
> > > I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
> > > focus on building a help channel there".
> > > As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
> > > questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
> > > formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
> > > and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
> > > reference resource.
> > >
> > > SJ
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <
> gregory.varnum [at] gmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
> > wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
> > >>
> > >> -greg aka varnent
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >>>> Hi there,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
> > >>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
> > >>>>
> > >>>> bug was already filled at
> > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
> > >>>> is there someone who can help move on?
> > >>>
> > >>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
> > >>> one of those sites?
> > >>>
> > >>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
> > >>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I
> think
> > >>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
> > >>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
> > >>> there recently.
> > >>>
> > >>> SJ
> > >>>
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> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Apr 6, 2012, 1:58 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

I believ you misinterpreted the use. This tool would only do users EDITing
Wikipedia.

On Friday, April 6, 2012, John wrote:

> WOW, you guys are bashing the WMF for not supporting a legal nightmare, and
> yet another clone of an existing service (answers.yahoo.com). The
> legalities and paperwork necessary to avoid the WMF from getting their
> asses sued off for bad answers is probably a multi-year endeavor, and a
> money sink. How would such a system function without degrading into a crap
> pit? And how would that further the goals of the WMF?
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Mono wrote:
>
> > Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
> >
> > On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
> >
> > > Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
> > >
> > > -greg aka varnent
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
> > > >
> > > > And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
> > > > dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
> > > >
> > > > I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
> > > > focus on building a help channel there".
> > > > As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
> > > > questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
> > > > formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
> > > > and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
> > > > reference resource.
> > > >
> > > > SJ
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <
> > gregory.varnum [at] gmail <javascript:;> <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> I would be interested in helping with this project from a
> third-party
> > > wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
> > > >>
> > > >> -greg aka varnent
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>
> > <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>
> > <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>> Hi there,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
> > > >>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> bug was already filled at
> > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
> > > >>>> is there someone who can help move on?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience
> running
> > > >>> one of those sites?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help
> administer
> > > >>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I
> > think
> > > >>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
> > > >>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
> > > >>> there recently.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> SJ
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> foundation-l mailing list
> > > >>> foundation-l [at] lists <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>
> > > >>> Unsubscribe:
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > >> Unsubscribe:
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> 617
> > > 529 4266
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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Apr 6, 2012, 1:58 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

Possibly, but maybe more trouble that it's worth.

On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:

> Is there a more "wiki" like version of that platform available - or would
> development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer
> developers?
>
> -greg
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono <monomium [at] gmail <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
> >
> > On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
> >
> >> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
> >>
> >> -greg aka varnent
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;><javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
> >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
> >>>
> >>> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
> >>> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
> >>>
> >>> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
> >>> focus on building a help channel there".
> >>> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
> >>> questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
> >>> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
> >>> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
> >>> reference resource.
> >>>
> >>> SJ
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <
> gregory.varnum [at] gmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
> >> wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
> >>>>
> >>>> -greg aka varnent
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi there,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
> >>>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> bug was already filled at
> >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
> >>>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
> >>>>> one of those sites?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
> >>>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I
> think
> >>>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
> >>>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
> >>>>> there recently.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> SJ
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> foundation-l mailing list
> >>>>> foundation-l [at] lists <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> >>>>> Unsubscribe:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>> foundation-l mailing list
> >>>> foundation-l [at] lists <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> >>>> Unsubscribe:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >> 529 4266
> >>>
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Apr 6, 2012, 2:05 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

I'm unclear from a legal perspective how this presents a "nightmare". In what ways do volunteers responding to Q&A's about Wikimedia projects and content present great challenges than existing efforts like enWP's Reference Desk and MW.org's Support desk?

In regards to answers.yahoo.com - I think you may be misinterpreting the proposed initial scope.

-greg


On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:43 PM, John <phoenixoverride [at] gmail> wrote:

> WOW, you guys are bashing the WMF for not supporting a legal nightmare, and
> yet another clone of an existing service (answers.yahoo.com). The
> legalities and paperwork necessary to avoid the WMF from getting their
> asses sued off for bad answers is probably a multi-year endeavor, and a
> money sink. How would such a system function without degrading into a crap
> pit? And how would that further the goals of the WMF?
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Mono wrote:
>
>> Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>>
>>> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
>>>
>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>>>>
>>>> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
>>>> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>>>>
>>>> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
>>>> focus on building a help channel there".
>>>> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
>>>> questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
>>>> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
>>>> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
>>>> reference resource.
>>>>
>>>> SJ
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <
>> gregory.varnum [at] gmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
>>> wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>>>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bug was already filled at
>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>>>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
>>>>>> one of those sites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>>>>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I
>> think
>>>>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>>>>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>>>>>> there recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> foundation-l mailing list
>>>>>> foundation-l [at] lists <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> foundation-l mailing list
>>>>> foundation-l [at] lists <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
>>>>> Unsubscribe:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>> 529 4266
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> foundation-l mailing list
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>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Apr 6, 2012, 2:06 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

Fair enough - I could also go around and around on the value or challenge of using wiki style editing to help folks running into problems using wiki edit tools..

-greg


On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Mono <monomium [at] gmail> wrote:

> Possibly, but maybe more trouble that it's worth.
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>
>> Is there a more "wiki" like version of that platform available - or would
>> development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer
>> developers?
>>
>> -greg
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono <monomium [at] gmail <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
>>>>
>>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>>>>>
>>>>> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
>>>>> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
>>>>> focus on building a help channel there".
>>>>> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
>>>>> questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
>>>>> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
>>>>> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
>>>>> reference resource.
>>>>>
>>>>> SJ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <
>> gregory.varnum [at] gmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
>>>> wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>>>>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bug was already filled at
>>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>>>>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
>>>>>>> one of those sites?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>>>>>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I
>> think
>>>>>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>>>>>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>>>>>>> there recently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> foundation-l mailing list
>>>>>>> foundation-l [at] lists <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>> Unsubscribe:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> foundation-l mailing list
>>>>>> foundation-l [at] lists <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617
>>>> 529 4266
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> foundation-l mailing list
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>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Apr 6, 2012, 2:07 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

You might want to warn stackexchange ;-)

Tom Morton

On 6 Apr 2012, at 21:44, John <phoenixoverride [at] gmail> wrote:

> WOW, you guys are bashing the WMF for not supporting a legal nightmare, and
> yet another clone of an existing service (answers.yahoo.com). The
> legalities and paperwork necessary to avoid the WMF from getting their
> asses sued off for bad answers is probably a multi-year endeavor, and a
> money sink. How would such a system function without degrading into a crap
> pit? And how would that further the goals of the WMF?
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Mono wrote:
>
>> Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>>
>>> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
>>>
>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>>>>
>>>> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
>>>> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>>>>
>>>> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
>>>> focus on building a help channel there".
>>>> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
>>>> questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
>>>> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
>>>> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
>>>> reference resource.
>>>>
>>>> SJ
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <
>> gregory.varnum [at] gmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
>>> wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>>>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bug was already filled at
>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>>>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
>>>>>> one of those sites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>>>>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I
>> think
>>>>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>>>>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>>>>>> there recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> foundation-l mailing list
>>>>>> foundation-l [at] lists <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

Wasn't there a proposal a while back for a Stack Exchange [1] site
like this? It seems like the ideal software for it.

Although IMO if MediaWiki discussions are too confusing for new users,
we should be concentrating on fixing that (*cough* LiquidThreads
*cough*) rather than going to a different platform.

Peter

[1] http://stackexchange.com/


On 6 April 2012 21:58, Mono <monomium [at] gmail> wrote:
> Possibly, but maybe more trouble that it's worth.
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>
>> Is there a more "wiki" like version of that platform available - or would
>> development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer
>> developers?
>>
>> -greg
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono <monomium [at] gmail <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
>> >
>> > On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>> >
>> >> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
>> >>
>> >> -greg aka varnent
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Great!  Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
>> >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>> >>>
>> >>> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
>> >>> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>> >>>
>> >>> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
>> >>> focus on building a help channel there".
>> >>> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
>> >>> questions there as well.  The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
>> >>> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
>> >>> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
>> >>> reference resource.
>> >>>
>> >>> SJ
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <
>> gregory.varnum [at] gmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
>> >> wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -greg aka varnent
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi there,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>> >>>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> bug was already filled at
>> >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>> >>>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It looks like a good idea to me.  Do you have any experience running
>> >>>>> one of those sites?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>> >>>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful.   So I
>> think
>> >>>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>> >>>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>> >>>>> there recently.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> SJ
>> >>>>>
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Apr 6, 2012, 2:27 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

This site could be an interesting test ground for the developing visual editor and future LiquidThreads projects.

I always feel a little weird when we develop new platforms rather than enhance the MediaWiki platform.

-greg


On Apr 6, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Peter Coombe <thewub.wiki [at] googlemail> wrote:

> Wasn't there a proposal a while back for a Stack Exchange [1] site
> like this? It seems like the ideal software for it.
>
> Although IMO if MediaWiki discussions are too confusing for new users,
> we should be concentrating on fixing that (*cough* LiquidThreads
> *cough*) rather than going to a different platform.
>
> Peter
>
> [1] http://stackexchange.com/
>
>
> On 6 April 2012 21:58, Mono <monomium [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Possibly, but maybe more trouble that it's worth.
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a more "wiki" like version of that platform available - or would
>>> development of such a platform be feasible and of interest to our volunteer
>>> developers?
>>>
>>> -greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Mono <monomium [at] gmail <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Take a look at toolserver.org/~mono/qua
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2012, Gregory Varnum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:
>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
>>>>>
>>>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great! Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
>>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
>>>>>> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
>>>>>> focus on building a help channel there".
>>>>>> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
>>>>>> questions there as well. The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
>>>>>> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
>>>>>> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
>>>>>> reference resource.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <
>>> gregory.varnum [at] gmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party
>>>>> wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail<javascript:;>
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>>>>>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bug was already filled at
>>>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>>>>>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks like a good idea to me. Do you have any experience running
>>>>>>>> one of those sites?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>>>>>>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful. So I
>>> think
>>>>>>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>>>>>>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>>>>>>>> there recently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SJ
>>>>>>>>
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Apr 6, 2012, 4:55 PM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Peter Coombe <thewub.wiki [at] googlemail> wrote:
> Wasn't there a proposal a while back for a Stack Exchange [1] site
> like this? It seems like the ideal software for it.

StackExchange and the open source OSQA equivalent are indeed powerful
tools and worth experimenting with. Anyone wanting to set up a public
instance of these or other tools to play with can do so through
Wikimedia Labs and of course the toolserver. See
https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access for Labs access and
policies.

We've focused on creating a more integrated help experience with two
projects, the feedback dashboard (FD) and the teahouse.

The FD gives new editors an opportunity to ask a question or register
a complaint. It pops into view the moment you first click edit, which
is a more obvious affordance than a separate help site you have to
find out about and visit. It's been active on en.wp and nl.wp for a
few months, and was recently activated on French Wikisource as well.
On en.wp, we register about 100 feedback submissions a day, and about
30-50 responses.

FD includes a few features which elevate it above ordinary talk page responses:
- an in-line response tool on the dashboard itself which shortcuts the
path to the user's talk page
- a "mark as helpful" feature which the recipient of a message can use
to indicate that they were helped.
- friendly email notifications (not the standard talk page notifiers)
- a leaderboard of top responders, which has been helpful at
incentivizing participation

FD for English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard
FD for Dutch Wikipedia:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:DashboardTerugkoppeling
FD for French Wikisource:
http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:FeedbackDashboard

We're currently letting the project sit for a while to gather metrics
about any impact it has on editors who are being helped.

The teahouse is a less technical and more social initiative:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse

It is supported by some shiny templates and a nice little in-line
response gadget. But it's primarily an effort to mobilize lots of
people to engage in user-to-user help. As you can see, lots of folks
have signed up as hosts (people who respond), and early metrics
indicate that there's indeed a positive impact on retention.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Teahouse/Metrics

IMO setting up a separate Q/A site would be in some ways a workaround
for Wikimedia's poor internal discussion system, and would incur lots
of disadvantages (detached from workflows, no easy login integration,
no easy integration of wiki markup / templates, separate technical
infrastructure with additional maintenance/scalability/security
burden, need for additional policy development on copyright, terms of
use, etc. ......). But it's worth experimenting with, for sure, if
only to find out what UI/UX patterns are worth applying to our own
solutions.

LQT is on hold for now, because it's an overambitious and
underresourced project. We're going to start work soon on this
project:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_(Notifications)

This is a larger effort to improve Wikimedia's notifications
infrastructure, and will lay the groundwork for messaging
improvements, as well as other next generation features. We hope that
we'll be able to improve user-to-user messaging features in this
process, which would be a technical foundation for improved direct
user support systems.

For the tech side of things, our goals for next fiscal are still
draft, but give a good idea what we're thinking about (pending
approval of associated staffing/funding):
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals

Erik
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Apr 7, 2012, 4:28 AM

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Re: help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site [In reply to]

FD seem to collect lots of crappy feedback...

Why WMF promis always think a wiki interface will save the world? It
definitely will not, because newbies will never touch this
interface... and this is a BIG BIG problem nobody wants to
acknowledge. We do need services that are easier to use than a wiki
is... OMG can nobody understand this simple thing? And yes, it
actually may be cheaper to develop such interfaces from scratch...
than to try to bend MediaWiki over and over again.

Teahouse is a good concept but in wrong software environment (wikitext
and MediaWiki again).

Why is LiquidThreads on hold? Who stopped it? Things are going to hell
again then... This project was a light in the end of a tunnel...
unfortunatelly the "consesnus-based" community probably blew it up...
because there were few NO-sayers who sent this promising projet to the
hell...

2012/4/7 Erik Moeller <erik [at] wikimedia>:
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Peter Coombe <thewub.wiki [at] googlemail> wrote:
>> Wasn't there a proposal a while back for a Stack Exchange [1] site
>> like this? It seems like the ideal software for it.
>
> StackExchange and the open source OSQA equivalent are indeed powerful
> tools and worth experimenting with. Anyone wanting to set up a public
> instance of these or other tools to play with can do so through
> Wikimedia Labs and of course the toolserver. See
> https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access for Labs access and
> policies.
>
> We've focused on creating a more integrated help experience with two
> projects, the feedback dashboard (FD) and the teahouse.
>
> The FD gives new editors an opportunity to ask a question or register
> a complaint. It pops into view the moment you first click edit, which
> is a more obvious affordance than a separate help site you have to
> find out about and visit. It's been active on en.wp and nl.wp for a
> few months, and was recently activated on French Wikisource as well.
> On en.wp, we register about 100 feedback submissions a day, and about
> 30-50 responses.
>
> FD includes a few features which elevate it above ordinary talk page responses:
> - an in-line response tool on the dashboard itself which shortcuts the
> path to the user's talk page
> - a "mark as helpful" feature which the recipient of a message can use
> to indicate that they were helped.
> - friendly email notifications (not the standard talk page notifiers)
> - a leaderboard of top responders, which has been helpful at
> incentivizing participation
>
> FD for English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard
> FD for Dutch Wikipedia:
> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:DashboardTerugkoppeling
> FD for French Wikisource:
> http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:FeedbackDashboard
>
> We're currently letting the project sit for a while to gather metrics
> about any impact it has on editors who are being helped.
>
> The teahouse is a less technical and more social initiative:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse
>
> It is supported by some shiny templates and a nice little in-line
> response gadget. But it's primarily an effort to mobilize lots of
> people to engage in user-to-user help. As you can see, lots of folks
> have signed up as hosts (people who respond), and early metrics
> indicate that there's indeed a positive impact on retention.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Teahouse/Metrics
>
> IMO setting up a separate Q/A site would be in some ways a workaround
> for Wikimedia's poor internal discussion system, and would incur lots
> of disadvantages (detached from workflows, no easy login integration,
> no easy integration of wiki markup / templates, separate technical
> infrastructure with additional maintenance/scalability/security
> burden, need for additional policy development on copyright, terms of
> use, etc. ......). But it's worth experimenting with, for sure, if
> only to find out what UI/UX patterns are worth applying to our own
> solutions.
>
> LQT is on hold for now, because it's an overambitious and
> underresourced project. We're going to start work soon on this
> project:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_(Notifications)
>
> This is a larger effort to improve Wikimedia's notifications
> infrastructure, and will lay the groundwork for messaging
> improvements, as well as other next generation features. We hope that
> we'll be able to improve user-to-user messaging features in this
> process, which would be a technical foundation for improved direct
> user support systems.
>
> For the tech side of things, our goals for next fiscal are still
> draft, but give a good idea what we're thinking about (pending
> approval of associated staffing/funding):
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals
>
> Erik
> --
> Erik Mller
> VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
>
> Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
>
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Apr 7, 2012, 5:22 AM

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On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum [at] gmail> wrote:
> Some modifications and requested info has been added to:  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ask.wikimedia.org_(Q%26A_site)
>
> -greg aka varnent

There have also been a couple of other proposals on meta along these
same lines, and perhaps something useful could be merged from the
other ones as well:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_projects_-_Q&A

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> Great!  Could you two please revise the current dormant proposal at
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiAnswers
>>
>> And note that one of the active uses of the site would be a channel
>> dedicated to Q&A about using the Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki?
>>
>> I think it is simpler and easier to say "let's start a Q&A site, and
>> focus on building a help channel there".
>> As long as the site is up and maintained, you could answer other
>> questions there as well.  The WP:RefDesk has never been an ideal
>> formal for answering questions or, more importantly, for aggregating
>> and organizing answers over time so that it develops into a permanent
>> reference resource.
>>
>> SJ
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> I would be interested in helping with this project from a third-party wiki and MediaWiki developer perspective.
>>>
>>> -greg aka varnent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82 [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none
>>>>> asked some time ago already with few positive replies
>>>>>
>>>>> bug was already filled at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923
>>>>> is there someone who can help move on?
>>>>
>>>> It looks like a good idea to me.  Do you have any experience running
>>>> one of those sites?
>>>>
>>>> As with any new project, a set of people signed up to help administer
>>>> it / be initial contributors and editosr would be useful.   So I think
>>>> it's still valuable to create a page about it on meta as a 'new
>>>> project' even though we haven't cleaned up the new project process
>>>> there recently.
>>>>
>>>> SJ
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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