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yaoziyuan at gmail

Feb 22, 2012, 10:59 AM

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Wikipedia's ebook and PDF creation feature doesn't support Chinese and Japanese

Hi All,

I think you guys can all see how useful it would be if the Chinese
Wikipedia also has the ebook/PDF creation feature as seen on other
language Wikipedias. Some countries don't always let their people
visit Wikipedia, so ebooks can be an alternative.

We have tried to solve this bug that prevents the Chinese/Japanese
Wikipedias from having this feature:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430

The relevant developers (PediaPress) have solved the bug to some
extent, but Shi Zhao, leader of the Chinese Wikipedia, still doesn't
think the resulting Chinese PDF files are good enough, so the Chinese
Wikipedia has not yet upgraded to the latest MediaWiki software to get
this feature.

My two suggestions:
(1) Persuade Shi Zhao to adopt the latest MediaWiki software, which
can generate ebook/PDFs for the Chinese Wikipedia, although the page
layout is not perfect.
(2) Or find another organization than PediaPress to provide this
feature, because PediaPress refuses to adopt a more Unicode-friendly
PDF code library that provides better Chinese PDF rendering.

Regards,
Ziyuan Yao

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pharosofalexandria at gmail

Feb 22, 2012, 11:21 AM

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Re: Wikipedia's ebook and PDF creation feature doesn't support Chinese and Japanese [In reply to]

Side question:

Does Chinese Wikipedia indeed have an elected or consensus "leader" or
some sort?

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I think you guys can all see how useful it would be if the Chinese
> Wikipedia also has the ebook/PDF creation feature as seen on other
> language Wikipedias. Some countries don't always let their people
> visit Wikipedia, so ebooks can be an alternative.
>
> We have tried to solve this bug that prevents the Chinese/Japanese
> Wikipedias from having this feature:
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430
>
> The relevant developers (PediaPress) have solved the bug to some
> extent, but Shi Zhao, leader of the Chinese Wikipedia, still doesn't
> think the resulting Chinese PDF files are good enough, so the Chinese
> Wikipedia has not yet upgraded to the latest MediaWiki software to get
> this feature.
>
> My two suggestions:
> (1) Persuade Shi Zhao to adopt the latest MediaWiki software, which
> can generate ebook/PDFs for the Chinese Wikipedia, although the page
> layout is not perfect.
> (2) Or find another organization than PediaPress to provide this
> feature, because PediaPress refuses to adopt a more Unicode-friendly
> PDF code library that provides better Chinese PDF rendering.
>
> Regards,
> Ziyuan Yao
>
> _______________________________________________
> foundation-l mailing list
> foundation-l [at] lists
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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yaoziyuan at gmail

Feb 22, 2012, 11:24 AM

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Re: Wikipedia's ebook and PDF creation feature doesn't support Chinese and Japanese [In reply to]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria [at] gmail> wrote:
> Side question:
>
> Does Chinese Wikipedia indeed have an elected or consensus "leader" or
> some sort?

Dunno, but he seems to be the community organizer.

>
> Thanks,
> Richard
> (User:Pharos)
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think you guys can all see how useful it would be if the Chinese
>> Wikipedia also has the ebook/PDF creation feature as seen on other
>> language Wikipedias. Some countries don't always let their people
>> visit Wikipedia, so ebooks can be an alternative.
>>
>> We have tried to solve this bug that prevents the Chinese/Japanese
>> Wikipedias from having this feature:
>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430
>>
>> The relevant developers (PediaPress) have solved the bug to some
>> extent, but Shi Zhao, leader of the Chinese Wikipedia, still doesn't
>> think the resulting Chinese PDF files are good enough, so the Chinese
>> Wikipedia has not yet upgraded to the latest MediaWiki software to get
>> this feature.
>>
>> My two suggestions:
>> (1) Persuade Shi Zhao to adopt the latest MediaWiki software, which
>> can generate ebook/PDFs for the Chinese Wikipedia, although the page
>> layout is not perfect.
>> (2) Or find another organization than PediaPress to provide this
>> feature, because PediaPress refuses to adopt a more Unicode-friendly
>> PDF code library that provides better Chinese PDF rendering.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ziyuan Yao
>>
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meta.sj at gmail

Mar 2, 2012, 2:58 PM

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Re: Wikipedia's ebook and PDF creation feature doesn't support Chinese and Japanese [In reply to]

Well, I think Shizhao is subscribed to this list :-) but I cc: him
just in case.
This sounds like a reasonable request. Can one of the developers
involved comment on the situation?

Ziyuan: can you post a link to the discussion on the chinese wikipedia
about whether to upgrade?

SJ

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Side question:
>>
>> Does Chinese Wikipedia indeed have an elected or consensus "leader" or
>> some sort?
>
> Dunno, but he seems to be the community organizer.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard
>> (User:Pharos)
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I think you guys can all see how useful it would be if the Chinese
>>> Wikipedia also has the ebook/PDF creation feature as seen on other
>>> language Wikipedias. Some countries don't always let their people
>>> visit Wikipedia, so ebooks can be an alternative.
>>>
>>> We have tried to solve this bug that prevents the Chinese/Japanese
>>> Wikipedias from having this feature:
>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430
>>>
>>> The relevant developers (PediaPress) have solved the bug to some
>>> extent, but Shi Zhao, leader of the Chinese Wikipedia, still doesn't
>>> think the resulting Chinese PDF files are good enough, so the Chinese
>>> Wikipedia has not yet upgraded to the latest MediaWiki software to get
>>> this feature.
>>>
>>> My two suggestions:
>>> (1) Persuade Shi Zhao to adopt the latest MediaWiki software, which
>>> can generate ebook/PDFs for the Chinese Wikipedia, although the page
>>> layout is not perfect.
>>> (2) Or find another organization than PediaPress to provide this
>>> feature, because PediaPress refuses to adopt a more Unicode-friendly
>>> PDF code library that provides better Chinese PDF rendering.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ziyuan Yao
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> foundation-l mailing list
>>> foundation-l [at] lists
>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>
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yaoziyuan at gmail

Mar 2, 2012, 5:35 PM

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Re: Wikipedia's ebook and PDF creation feature doesn't support Chinese and Japanese [In reply to]

Yesterday I started two discussion threads for this issue, one one the
Wikizh-l mailing list, the other on the zh.wikipedia Google Group
(both are official discussion lists for the Chinese Wikipedia):

Wikizh-l thread: (in Chinese)
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikizh-l/2012-March/000733.html

zh.wikipedia thread (in Chinese):
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/zh_wikipedia/5BD523P6d9M

The two threads are still early in discussion, but commenters so far
support adopting the latest MediaWiki version, but they also pointed
out a bug that needs to be resolved (Chinese text should be converted
to either all-simplified or all-traditional before PDF creation):

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34919

Previously there was another bug (Chinese lines don't wrap
automatically) and it was resolved:

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430

From this resolved bug report you can find the relevant developers of
MediaWiki's PDF creation feature (PediaPress).

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:
> Well, I think Shizhao is subscribed to this list :-)  but I cc: him
> just in case.
> This sounds like a reasonable request.  Can one of the developers
> involved comment on the situation?
>
> Ziyuan: can you post a link to the discussion on the chinese wikipedia
> about whether to upgrade?
>
> SJ
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> Side question:
>>>
>>> Does Chinese Wikipedia indeed have an elected or consensus "leader" or
>>> some sort?
>>
>> Dunno, but he seems to be the community organizer.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Richard
>>> (User:Pharos)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I think you guys can all see how useful it would be if the Chinese
>>>> Wikipedia also has the ebook/PDF creation feature as seen on other
>>>> language Wikipedias. Some countries don't always let their people
>>>> visit Wikipedia, so ebooks can be an alternative.
>>>>
>>>> We have tried to solve this bug that prevents the Chinese/Japanese
>>>> Wikipedias from having this feature:
>>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430
>>>>
>>>> The relevant developers (PediaPress) have solved the bug to some
>>>> extent, but Shi Zhao, leader of the Chinese Wikipedia, still doesn't
>>>> think the resulting Chinese PDF files are good enough, so the Chinese
>>>> Wikipedia has not yet upgraded to the latest MediaWiki software to get
>>>> this feature.
>>>>
>>>> My two suggestions:
>>>> (1) Persuade Shi Zhao to adopt the latest MediaWiki software, which
>>>> can generate ebook/PDFs for the Chinese Wikipedia, although the page
>>>> layout is not perfect.
>>>> (2) Or find another organization than PediaPress to provide this
>>>> feature, because PediaPress refuses to adopt a more Unicode-friendly
>>>> PDF code library that provides better Chinese PDF rendering.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ziyuan Yao
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> foundation-l mailing list
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>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>>
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>
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yaoziyuan at gmail

Mar 2, 2012, 5:44 PM

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Re: Wikipedia's ebook and PDF creation feature doesn't support Chinese and Japanese [In reply to]

Actually, the MediaWiki extension "Collection" developed by PediaPress
is based on a PDF generation library "ReportLab", which doesn't
support Chinese very well (for example, so far, a Chinese line in a
generated PDF doesn't take up the full width of a page; there is still
much space unused to the right of every Chinese line). I suggested
them to use a more Unicode-friendly PDF library such as TCPDF, but
they said (in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430 and
email correspondence with me) they had already done much work with
ReportLab and therefore switching to a new PDF library was not an
option.

I think the ideal solution is to rewrite MediaWiki's PDF generation
feature using a good PDF library such as TCPDF. Is there any other
company than PediaPress that the Wikimedia Foundation can collaborate
with to rewrite MediaWiki's PDF generation feature?

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Ziyuan Yao <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
> Yesterday I started two discussion threads for this issue, one one the
> Wikizh-l mailing list, the other on the zh.wikipedia Google Group
> (both are official discussion lists for the Chinese Wikipedia):
>
> Wikizh-l thread: (in Chinese)
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikizh-l/2012-March/000733.html
>
> zh.wikipedia thread (in Chinese):
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/zh_wikipedia/5BD523P6d9M
>
> The two threads are still early in discussion, but commenters so far
> support adopting the latest MediaWiki version, but they also pointed
> out a bug that needs to be resolved (Chinese text should be converted
> to either all-simplified or all-traditional before PDF creation):
>
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34919
>
> Previously there was another bug (Chinese lines don't wrap
> automatically) and it was resolved:
>
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430
>
> From this resolved bug report you can find the relevant developers of
> MediaWiki's PDF creation feature (PediaPress).
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Well, I think Shizhao is subscribed to this list :-)  but I cc: him
>> just in case.
>> This sounds like a reasonable request.  Can one of the developers
>> involved comment on the situation?
>>
>> Ziyuan: can you post a link to the discussion on the chinese wikipedia
>> about whether to upgrade?
>>
>> SJ
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>> Side question:
>>>>
>>>> Does Chinese Wikipedia indeed have an elected or consensus "leader" or
>>>> some sort?
>>>
>>> Dunno, but he seems to be the community organizer.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Richard
>>>> (User:Pharos)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziyuan [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you guys can all see how useful it would be if the Chinese
>>>>> Wikipedia also has the ebook/PDF creation feature as seen on other
>>>>> language Wikipedias. Some countries don't always let their people
>>>>> visit Wikipedia, so ebooks can be an alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have tried to solve this bug that prevents the Chinese/Japanese
>>>>> Wikipedias from having this feature:
>>>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33430
>>>>>
>>>>> The relevant developers (PediaPress) have solved the bug to some
>>>>> extent, but Shi Zhao, leader of the Chinese Wikipedia, still doesn't
>>>>> think the resulting Chinese PDF files are good enough, so the Chinese
>>>>> Wikipedia has not yet upgraded to the latest MediaWiki software to get
>>>>> this feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> My two suggestions:
>>>>> (1) Persuade Shi Zhao to adopt the latest MediaWiki software, which
>>>>> can generate ebook/PDFs for the Chinese Wikipedia, although the page
>>>>> layout is not perfect.
>>>>> (2) Or find another organization than PediaPress to provide this
>>>>> feature, because PediaPress refuses to adopt a more Unicode-friendly
>>>>> PDF code library that provides better Chinese PDF rendering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ziyuan Yao
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> foundation-l mailing list
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>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
>>>>
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>>
>>
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