gerard.meijssen at gmail
Nov 27, 2010, 4:22 AM
Post #21 of 21
At OmegaWiki we are MediaWiki based. We link to Wikipedia and to Commons.
The data is multilingual and the relations show in "your" language when a
translation exists. I hope that you have a look what can already be done.
Try for instance ĐşĐľŃ‚ĐşĐ°
On 27 November 2010 12:23, Jan Kucera (Kozuch) <garbage5 [at] seznam> wrote:
> Hi there,
> so how do we move forward with Wikidata? There is a bunch of proposals both
> on Strategy and Meta, but I guess we need a clearly dedicated place for
> serious discussion on topic. So lets either create a wiki on
> data.wikimedia.org or a dedicated mailing list here... or both.
> > ------------ PĹŻvodnĂ zprĂˇva ------------
> > Od: Erik Moeller <erik [at] wikimedia>
> > PĹ™edmÄ›t: Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Wikidata
> > Datum: 24.11.2010 20:25:37
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Hi all,
> > as you may know I've been involved in the structured data community
> > for a few years (through the original "Wikidata" proposal in 2004 as
> > well as architecting and developing OmegaWiki, together with the
> > OpenProgress team and others from 2005-2007). I've been following
> > Semantic MediaWiki, Freebase and other projects from the beginning.
> > You don't need to sell me on the value or importance of structured
> > data.
> > The problem space is very complex, especially when taking into account
> > that Wikimedia is a fully multilingual system. There are still low
> > hanging fruits, especially for a project like Wikimedia Commons, but I
> > agree w/ Michael that a more holistic approach to how to access and
> > manage data in WMF projects is much preferable to, for example,
> > throwing SMW into some wikis and not others, etc.
> > When I joined WMF, I couldn't justify arguing for higher priority on
> > data tech projects more so than, for example, the 2009-10 usability
> > initiative and continuing efforts in this area, especially given that
> > we still have only a tiny engineering staff. I don't believe that
> > structured data is going to be the principal driver of participation
> > -- that problem space is more about social and technical barriers to
> > entry, interaction with new users, mentoring, etc. And we're
> > continuing to fall behind the rest of the web in terms of usability.
> > That being said, it's clear that it's a key enabling technology
> > (including for _some_ usability improvements, although many of them
> > can be made without a full-fledged structured data support system). I
> > particularly think it has huge potential in bootstrapping small
> > languages by more closely interconnecting useful and translatable bits
> > of information (start a page about "Germany" in a new language and
> > immediately pull all relevant data, possibly including translations of
> > labels if available).
> > Danese and I have been working on a "Data Summit" this year to bring
> > together both the key players in the structured data field (DBPedia,
> > SMW, etc.), as well as some of the research and analytics community.
> > Unfortunately we've had to reschedule it, but it'll happen in Q1 2011.
> > We're not going to be able to dedicate lots of resources to
> > engineering in this area in the near future, but since there are
> > already so many disparate efforts that focus on making WP data usable,
> > we do hope that we can partner up with others to move things forward.
> > In a nutshell, I think we should aim to establish a â€śWikidata Commonsâ€ť
> > project at data.wikimedia.org which serves all Wikimedia projects with
> > structured data in a language-neutral fashion, analog to â€śWikimedia
> > Commonsâ€ť for multimedia files, and which becomes the central location
> > to curate, maintain and discuss such data. Wikidata Commons should
> > provide standard interfaces for querying, importing, and exporting
> > data. This project could be built incrementally (starting with clunky
> > but reasonably future-proof ways to manage and retrieve data).
> > The key challenges as I see them continue to be, as ever: 1)
> > maintaining predictable and reasonable system performance as the DB
> > scales, more and increasingly complex queries are performed, etc., 2)
> > consistently improving rather than degrading user experience, 3)
> > handling multilingual representations of all translatable content well
> > without giving undue prominence to any one language, 4) effectively
> > caching and purging data wherever it's used, 5)
> > versioning/transactioning relational data to be maximally useful and
> > conducive to collaboration.
> > Earlier this week, Danese and I met with Denny Vrandecic from SMW,
> > who's recently put together a prototype called "Shortipedia" that
> > allows language-independent (using multilingual labels) annotation of
> > concepts with SMW-style properties through a minimal form-based
> > interface, interfacing with whichever triple store is configured for
> > SMW. It's still very much a hack, and he's aiming to clean it up for
> > the summit. But it looks potentially very interesting, and like a
> > concept we could rally energy behind. The data from such a repository
> > could then be pulled into WP templates, accessed through "wizards"
> > that auto-generate template data for new articles, etc.
> > Anyone who wants to advance the thinking in this space should also
> > consider what can be done today with Wikimedia Commons and SMW. Since
> > Wikimedia Commons is an intrinsically multilingual database with focus
> > on annotating individual files, its operational requirements are
> > somewhat different from those of most other projects. It would be
> > useful to have an instance of SMW running using a copy of the
> > Wikimedia Commons database and possibly Semantic Forms to see what
> > such annotation could look like in practice. Anyone with time and
> > technical skills can put together prototypes like this that'll help us
> > move forward.
> > Again, I think the likely path forward here is for us to ally
> > effectively with the key players in the space, rather than doing all
> > the work ourselves.
> > --
> > Erik MĂ¶ller
> > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
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