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wing.philopp at gmx

Nov 24, 2009, 5:38 AM

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Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits

Hello folks,

this is a suggestion to encourage more edits. It is both a topic for
every of our projects but also of most of the foundation projects. So I
post it here at first and will welcome everyone to carry it to the
single projects.

On the home page of our projects for example en-wp we have the column
"Did you know..." where we feature the new created articles. The idea is
to create a column where we put in articles that does not exist or that
are stubs and should be improved.

The column look like:

Can you tell us about ...
* the pianist [[Veryan Weston]]
* the [[Kansas City Philamonics]]
* the bird [[Black-eared Seedeater]]

etc.

The column should be at a prominant place so that every visitor can see
it. The requested articles can be selected by multiple ways, the
community can discuss the way and establish a procedure.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veryan_Weston&action=edit&redlink=1>

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fordmadoxfraud at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 5:53 AM

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Re: Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits [In reply to]

I actually like this idea, a LOT. The main page basically poses Wikipedia
as a warehouse of content, which is fine, it is that, but also does little
to pose Wikipedia as a collaborative project. Yeah, new visitors can
technically TRY to edit our main page articles now, but generally the stuff
that makes it there is already so polished, or so intensely guarded, that
neophyte editors have little to no chance of making meaningful edits on
them. I've had a couple articles I created in the Did You Know space, so I
can definitely say that they aren't the editor-magnets that Featured
Articles or In the News are, but I think putting out there on our front page
articles that need CONTRIBUTORS rather than just READERS (in an obvious way,
I mean--of course all our articles need contributors) would be a very
helpful, and very easy thing for us to do.

FMF

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Ting Chen <wing.philopp [at] gmx> wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> this is a suggestion to encourage more edits. It is both a topic for
> every of our projects but also of most of the foundation projects. So I
> post it here at first and will welcome everyone to carry it to the
> single projects.
>
> On the home page of our projects for example en-wp we have the column
> "Did you know..." where we feature the new created articles. The idea is
> to create a column where we put in articles that does not exist or that
> are stubs and should be improved.
>
> The column look like:
>
> Can you tell us about ...
> * the pianist [[Veryan Weston]]
> * the [[Kansas City Philamonics]]
> * the bird [[Black-eared Seedeater]]
>
> etc.
>
> The column should be at a prominant place so that every visitor can see
> it. The requested articles can be selected by multiple ways, the
> community can discuss the way and establish a procedure.
> <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veryan_Weston&action=edit&redlink=1
> >
>
>
> --
> Ting
>
> Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
>
>
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geo.plrd at yahoo

Nov 24, 2009, 4:00 PM

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Re: Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits [In reply to]

We also might want to look into policy overhauls to reduce barriers to contribution.

________________________________
From: David Moran <fordmadoxfraud [at] gmail>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l [at] lists>
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:53:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits

I actually like this idea, a LOT. The main page basically poses Wikipedia
as a warehouse of content, which is fine, it is that, but also does little
to pose Wikipedia as a collaborative project. Yeah, new visitors can
technically TRY to edit our main page articles now, but generally the stuff
that makes it there is already so polished, or so intensely guarded, that
neophyte editors have little to no chance of making meaningful edits on
them. I've had a couple articles I created in the Did You Know space, so I
can definitely say that they aren't the editor-magnets that Featured
Articles or In the News are, but I think putting out there on our front page
articles that need CONTRIBUTORS rather than just READERS (in an obvious way,
I mean--of course all our articles need contributors) would be a very
helpful, and very easy thing for us to do.

FMF

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Ting Chen <wing.philopp [at] gmx> wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> this is a suggestion to encourage more edits. It is both a topic for
> every of our projects but also of most of the foundation projects. So I
> post it here at first and will welcome everyone to carry it to the
> single projects.
>
> On the home page of our projects for example en-wp we have the column
> "Did you know..." where we feature the new created articles. The idea is
> to create a column where we put in articles that does not exist or that
> are stubs and should be improved.
>
> The column look like:
>
> Can you tell us about ...
> * the pianist [[Veryan Weston]]
> * the [[Kansas City Philamonics]]
> * the bird [[Black-eared Seedeater]]
>
> etc.
>
> The column should be at a prominant place so that every visitor can see
> it. The requested articles can be selected by multiple ways, the
> community can discuss the way and establish a procedure.
> <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veryan_Weston&action=edit&redlink=1
> >
>
>
> --
> Ting
>
> Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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agarrett at wikimedia

Nov 24, 2009, 4:39 PM

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Re: Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits [In reply to]

On 25/11/2009, at 12:00 AM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:

> We also might want to look into policy overhauls to reduce barriers
> to contribution.
> ________________________________
> From: David Moran <fordmadoxfraud [at] gmail>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l [at] lists
> >
> Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:53:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to
> encourage more edits
>
> I actually like this idea, a LOT. The main page basically poses
> Wikipedia
> as a warehouse of content, which is fine, it is that, but also does
> little
> to pose Wikipedia as a collaborative project. Yeah, new visitors can
> technically TRY to edit our main page articles now, but generally
> the stuff
> that makes it there is already so polished, or so intensely guarded,
> that
> neophyte editors have little to no chance of making meaningful edits
> on
> them. I've had a couple articles I created in the Did You Know
> space, so I
> can definitely say that they aren't the editor-magnets that Featured
> Articles or In the News are, but I think putting out there on our
> front page
> articles that need CONTRIBUTORS rather than just READERS (in an
> obvious way,
> I mean--of course all our articles need contributors) would be a very
> helpful, and very easy thing for us to do.

In general, redesigning the reader-facing parts of the site to
encourage contribution is something I strongly support. It will
benefit us in the long run.

The emphasis at present appears to be on presenting us as a place to
go to learn and discover things. This is great, but it does not
necessarily encourage contribution.

--
Andrew Garrett
agarrett [at] wikimedia
http://werdn.us/

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liamwyatt at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 5:35 PM

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Re: Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits [In reply to]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Andrew Garrett <agarrett [at] wikimedia>wrote:

>
> On 25/11/2009, at 12:00 AM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
>
> > We also might want to look into policy overhauls to reduce barriers
> > to contribution.
> > ________________________________
> > From: David Moran <fordmadoxfraud [at] gmail>
> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l [at] lists
> > >
> > Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:53:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to
> > encourage more edits
> >
> > I actually like this idea, a LOT. The main page basically poses
> > Wikipedia
> > as a warehouse of content, which is fine, it is that, but also does
> > little
> > to pose Wikipedia as a collaborative project. Yeah, new visitors can
> > technically TRY to edit our main page articles now, but generally
> > the stuff
> > that makes it there is already so polished, or so intensely guarded,
> > that
> > neophyte editors have little to no chance of making meaningful edits
> > on
> > them. I've had a couple articles I created in the Did You Know
> > space, so I
> > can definitely say that they aren't the editor-magnets that Featured
> > Articles or In the News are, but I think putting out there on our
> > front page
> > articles that need CONTRIBUTORS rather than just READERS (in an
> > obvious way,
> > I mean--of course all our articles need contributors) would be a very
> > helpful, and very easy thing for us to do.
>
> In general, redesigning the reader-facing parts of the site to
> encourage contribution is something I strongly support. It will
> benefit us in the long run.
>
> The emphasis at present appears to be on presenting us as a place to
> go to learn and discover things. This is great, but it does not
> necessarily encourage contribution.
>

People interested in things that can be done to encourage a greater
conversion of people to move from "reader" to "editor" might be interested
in watching/reading Erik Moeller's presentation from Wikimania this year. It
was about how to scale up the community to a higher level of magnitude. But
what I really took away from the presentation was the idea of
"micro-transactions" - that is, small easy edits that can be achieved with a
relatively low level of prior knowledge of policies etc. Diversifying and
promoting these micro-transactions are a way to encourage more of our
readers to become involved in more ways than just via the scary "edit" tab.

I'd recommend looking at the slides from this presentation (and watching the
video) from section about "scaling up in 5 steps:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:WMF-Scaling_Up-Wikimania_2009-EM.pdf&page=13

-Liam Wyatt
[[witty lama]]

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tango.chan at wikimedia

Nov 27, 2009, 11:09 PM

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Re: Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits [In reply to]

Good idea!
It is important to find the edtor (wikipedian) now!

2009/11/25 Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt [at] gmail>

> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Andrew Garrett <agarrett [at] wikimedia
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > On 25/11/2009, at 12:00 AM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
> >
> > > We also might want to look into policy overhauls to reduce barriers
> > > to contribution.
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: David Moran <fordmadoxfraud [at] gmail>
> > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <
> foundation-l [at] lists
> > > >
> > > Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:53:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to
> > > encourage more edits
> > >
> > > I actually like this idea, a LOT. The main page basically poses
> > > Wikipedia
> > > as a warehouse of content, which is fine, it is that, but also does
> > > little
> > > to pose Wikipedia as a collaborative project. Yeah, new visitors can
> > > technically TRY to edit our main page articles now, but generally
> > > the stuff
> > > that makes it there is already so polished, or so intensely guarded,
> > > that
> > > neophyte editors have little to no chance of making meaningful edits
> > > on
> > > them. I've had a couple articles I created in the Did You Know
> > > space, so I
> > > can definitely say that they aren't the editor-magnets that Featured
> > > Articles or In the News are, but I think putting out there on our
> > > front page
> > > articles that need CONTRIBUTORS rather than just READERS (in an
> > > obvious way,
> > > I mean--of course all our articles need contributors) would be a very
> > > helpful, and very easy thing for us to do.
> >
> > In general, redesigning the reader-facing parts of the site to
> > encourage contribution is something I strongly support. It will
> > benefit us in the long run.
> >
> > The emphasis at present appears to be on presenting us as a place to
> > go to learn and discover things. This is great, but it does not
> > necessarily encourage contribution.
> >
>
> People interested in things that can be done to encourage a greater
> conversion of people to move from "reader" to "editor" might be interested
> in watching/reading Erik Moeller's presentation from Wikimania this year.
> It
> was about how to scale up the community to a higher level of magnitude. But
> what I really took away from the presentation was the idea of
> "micro-transactions" - that is, small easy edits that can be achieved with
> a
> relatively low level of prior knowledge of policies etc. Diversifying and
> promoting these micro-transactions are a way to encourage more of our
> readers to become involved in more ways than just via the scary "edit" tab.
>
> I'd recommend looking at the slides from this presentation (and watching
> the
> video) from section about "scaling up in 5 steps:
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:WMF-Scaling_Up-Wikimania_2009-EM.pdf&page=13
>
>
> -Liam Wyatt
> [[witty lama]]
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Garrett
> > agarrett [at] wikimedia
> > http://werdn.us/
> >
> >
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bdamokos at gmail

Nov 28, 2009, 6:52 AM

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Re: Can you tell us about ... - An Idea to encourage more edits [In reply to]

The idea is not bad (especially on wikis that might have more low-hanging
fruits), but it might need some work to make it work (e.g. anons cannot
create a new article on enwiki, and seeing these red links without the
ability to write the articles might be annoying to them).

There is something similar on the Recent Changes page of the English
Wikipedia, although I'm not sure, that the listed articles (e.g. schlepp
effect<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schlepp_effect&action=edit&redlink=1>-
Yiftach-El<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yiftach-El&action=edit&redlink=1>-
Shenandoah
Conservatory<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shenandoah_Conservatory&action=edit&redlink=1>-
Moldova-Suliţa,
Suceava<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moldova-Suli%C5%A3a,_Suceava&action=edit&redlink=1>-
Zanze<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zanze&action=edit&redlink=1>-
Gordon-Haus
effect<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gordon-Haus_effect&action=edit&redlink=1>-
Yong-Sik
Jin<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yong-Sik_Jin&action=edit&redlink=1>)
would bring in a very wide audience with diverse expertise.

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