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Nov 13, 2009, 7:20 PM

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Foundation-l open for business, with changes

After reviewing the comments of foundation-l participants over the last few
days, we've come up with a few changes that we hope will ultimately improve
the tenor and scope of discussions.

To start, we're placing two participants on temporary moderation: Thomas
Dalton and WJhonson. The conversations that have been most problematic
recently were those that involved one or both users. We do not intend to
place them or any other users on permanent moderation at this time, however.

When appropriate, we will be using moderation more often, for short periods
of time when we feel doing so will allow cooler heads to prevail. The idea
behind moderation has never been punitive, but it's often been treated as
such by many, and as a result, we have not used it as often as we could
have. Going forward, our intent is that being placed on moderation should
not be viewed as a slight, or as a punishment, but as a way to retain
civility within a discussion.

Second, we're adding a "soft post limit" that, for the time being, will kick
in at 30 posts per month. At that point, we will, at our discretion, place
members on moderation for the remainder of the month, and will approve posts
only where we feel they are useful and add significantly to the discussion.

With these changes, our goal is not to stifle anyone, but to avoid the
situation where a few voices dominate the conversation, and the arguments,
often off-topic, that have inhibited important discussions recently. We do
not feel, for example, that specific users need to be permanently moderated;
however, all users, including prolific posters, should bear in mind that
should their posts become off-topic, overly argumentative, or uncivil, they
may be moderated temporarily.

We leave open the possibility that other changes may be useful in the
future, so ideas for improvement going forward are always welcome, either at
the Meta page <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l> or via
e-mail, at foundation-l-owner [at] lists

As of this post, the list is now unmoderated. We welcome your thoughts on
this issue.

Sincerely,

Austin Hair
Ryan Lomonaco
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rjd0060.wiki at gmail

Nov 13, 2009, 7:31 PM

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Re: Foundation-l open for business, with changes [In reply to]

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Ryan Lomonaco <wiki.ral315 [at] gmail>wrote:

> After reviewing the comments of foundation-l participants over the last few
> days, we've come up with a few changes that we hope will ultimately improve
> the tenor and scope of discussions.
>
> To start, we're placing two participants on temporary moderation: Thomas
> Dalton and WJhonson. The conversations that have been most problematic
> recently were those that involved one or both users. We do not intend to
> place them or any other users on permanent moderation at this time,
> however.
>
> When appropriate, we will be using moderation more often, for short periods
> of time when we feel doing so will allow cooler heads to prevail. The idea
> behind moderation has never been punitive, but it's often been treated as
> such by many, and as a result, we have not used it as often as we could
> have. Going forward, our intent is that being placed on moderation should
> not be viewed as a slight, or as a punishment, but as a way to retain
> civility within a discussion.
>
> Second, we're adding a "soft post limit" that, for the time being, will
> kick
> in at 30 posts per month. At that point, we will, at our discretion, place
> members on moderation for the remainder of the month, and will approve
> posts
> only where we feel they are useful and add significantly to the discussion.
>
> With these changes, our goal is not to stifle anyone, but to avoid the
> situation where a few voices dominate the conversation, and the arguments,
> often off-topic, that have inhibited important discussions recently. We do
> not feel, for example, that specific users need to be permanently
> moderated;
> however, all users, including prolific posters, should bear in mind that
> should their posts become off-topic, overly argumentative, or uncivil, they
> may be moderated temporarily.
>
> We leave open the possibility that other changes may be useful in the
> future, so ideas for improvement going forward are always welcome, either
> at
> the Meta page <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l> or
> via
> e-mail, at foundation-l-owner [at] lists
>
> As of this post, the list is now unmoderated. We welcome your thoughts on
> this issue.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Austin Hair
> Ryan Lomonaco
>


As a spectator of most of the nonsense that goes on here, I think it's great
that the list admins are finally doing something about it. Hopefully these
steps will be sufficient.

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jayvdb at gmail

Nov 13, 2009, 9:09 PM

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Re: Foundation-l open for business, with changes [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Ryan Lomonaco <wiki.ral315 [at] gmail> wrote:
> After reviewing the comments of foundation-l participants over the last few
> days, we've come up with a few changes that we hope will ultimately improve
> the tenor and scope of discussions.
>
> To start, we're placing two participants on temporary moderation:  Thomas
> Dalton and WJhonson.  The conversations that have been most problematic
> recently were those that involved one or both users.  We do not intend to
> place them or any other users on permanent moderation at this time, however.
>
> When appropriate, we will be using moderation more often, for short periods
> of time when we feel doing so will allow cooler heads to prevail.  The idea
> behind moderation has never been punitive, but it's often been treated as
> such by many, and as a result, we have not used it as often as we could
> have.  Going forward, our intent is that being placed on moderation should
> not be viewed as a slight, or as a punishment, but as a way to retain
> civility within a discussion.
>
> Second, we're adding a "soft post limit" that, for the time being, will kick
> in at 30 posts per month.  At that point, we will, at our discretion, place
> members on moderation for the remainder of the month, and will approve posts
> only where we feel they are useful and add significantly to the discussion.
>
> With these changes, our goal is not to stifle anyone, but to avoid the
> situation where a few voices dominate the conversation, and the arguments,
> often off-topic, that have inhibited important discussions recently.  We do
> not feel, for example, that specific users need to be permanently moderated;
> however, all users, including prolific posters, should bear in mind that
> should their posts become off-topic, overly argumentative, or uncivil, they
> may be moderated temporarily.
>
> We leave open the possibility that other changes may be useful in the
> future, so ideas for improvement going forward are always welcome, either at
> the Meta page <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l> or via
> e-mail, at foundation-l-owner [at] lists
>
> As of this post, the list is now unmoderated.  We welcome your thoughts on
> this issue.

Thank you for taking these steps to promote a more balanced
participation here on foundation-l.

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meta.sj at gmail

Nov 13, 2009, 10:03 PM

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Re: Foundation-l open for business, with changes [In reply to]

You have my thanks as well. I have found the topics and 'signal' on
f-l recently quite good reading; less noise will make the whole
experience a pleasure again (and hopefully will bring back voices that
have temporarily left).

SJ

On 11/14/09, John Vandenberg <jayvdb [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Ryan Lomonaco <wiki.ral315 [at] gmail>
> wrote:
>> After reviewing the comments of foundation-l participants over the last
>> few
>> days, we've come up with a few changes that we hope will ultimately
>> improve
>> the tenor and scope of discussions.
>>
>> To start, we're placing two participants on temporary moderation:  Thomas
>> Dalton and WJhonson.  The conversations that have been most problematic
>> recently were those that involved one or both users.  We do not intend to
>> place them or any other users on permanent moderation at this time,
>> however.
>>
>> When appropriate, we will be using moderation more often, for short
>> periods
>> of time when we feel doing so will allow cooler heads to prevail.  The
>> idea
>> behind moderation has never been punitive, but it's often been treated as
>> such by many, and as a result, we have not used it as often as we could
>> have.  Going forward, our intent is that being placed on moderation should
>> not be viewed as a slight, or as a punishment, but as a way to retain
>> civility within a discussion.
>>
>> Second, we're adding a "soft post limit" that, for the time being, will
>> kick
>> in at 30 posts per month.  At that point, we will, at our discretion,
>> place
>> members on moderation for the remainder of the month, and will approve
>> posts
>> only where we feel they are useful and add significantly to the
>> discussion.
>>
>> With these changes, our goal is not to stifle anyone, but to avoid the
>> situation where a few voices dominate the conversation, and the arguments,
>> often off-topic, that have inhibited important discussions recently.  We
>> do
>> not feel, for example, that specific users need to be permanently
>> moderated;
>> however, all users, including prolific posters, should bear in mind that
>> should their posts become off-topic, overly argumentative, or uncivil,
>> they
>> may be moderated temporarily.
>>
>> We leave open the possibility that other changes may be useful in the
>> future, so ideas for improvement going forward are always welcome, either
>> at
>> the Meta page <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l> or
>> via
>> e-mail, at foundation-l-owner [at] lists
>>
>> As of this post, the list is now unmoderated.  We welcome your thoughts on
>> this issue.
>
> Thank you for taking these steps to promote a more balanced
> participation here on foundation-l.
>
> --
> John Vandenberg
>
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abigor at forgotten-beauty

Nov 14, 2009, 2:10 AM

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Re: Foundation-l open for business, with changes [In reply to]

Hi,

I think its a good idea and maybe it will bring some new people active
on this list. Since we have a lot of people reading and only a little
group posting.

See ya,
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dgerard at gmail

Nov 14, 2009, 5:19 AM

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2009/11/14 Ryan Lomonaco <wiki.ral315 [at] gmail>:

> After reviewing the comments of foundation-l participants over the last few
> days, we've come up with a few changes that we hope will ultimately improve
> the tenor and scope of discussions.


*wild applause*

(29 posts to go ...)


- d.

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mike.lifeguard at gmail

Nov 14, 2009, 5:26 AM

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As anemic as these rules are, I hope they send a message to our
problematic posters and impinge on their ability to ruin the mailing
list if they don't get it by now.

However, I have to say that I rather loved full moderation and was
hoping someone would simply "forget" to turn it off. Let's aim for a
signal-to-noise ratio in the same ballpark as we had while moderation
was on, OK? GO TEAM!

- -Mike
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bodnotbod at gmail

Nov 14, 2009, 10:03 AM

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Re: Foundation-l open for business, with changes [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Ryan Lomonaco <wiki.ral315 [at] gmail> wrote:

> Second, we're adding a "soft post limit" that, for the time being, will kick
> in at 30 posts per month.  At that point, we will, at our discretion, place
> members on moderation for the remainder of the month, and will approve posts
> only where we feel they are useful and add significantly to the discussion.

Good idea. Is the number of posts from any one contributor easy to
keep track of?

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wiki.ral315 at gmail

Nov 14, 2009, 9:50 PM

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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod [at] gmail> wrote:

>
> Good idea. Is the number of posts from any one contributor easy to
> keep track of?
>

Erik Zachte has some stats here that seem to update fairly regularly:

http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/foundation-l.html

You can also see all messages, sorted by user, here:

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-November/author.html

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isabell121 at gmail

Nov 15, 2009, 2:42 AM

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On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:50:40AM -0500, Ryan Lomonaco wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> >
> > Good idea. Is the number of posts from any one contributor easy to
> > keep track of?
> >
>
> Erik Zachte has some stats here that seem to update fairly regularly:
>
> http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/foundation-l.html

Wow, they're very comprehensive and interesting!
>
> You can also see all messages, sorted by user, here:
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-November/author.html

I never knew that was there, quite useful for looking up specific messages in a specific month on a specific list without trawling through the main archives or your inbox.

Thanks!

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