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WJhonson at aol

Nov 4, 2009, 1:02 PM

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Re: Wikinews has failed

Wikinews should be gracefully shut down. It's long since failed to serve
any service to the community or to the world. Few to no Wikipedia articles
point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article. And I submit that
no outside agency points at Wikinews articles for anything.

Why do we still have this project?

Will

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nawrich at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 1:15 PM

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We keep it because some people use it, some people contribute to it,
and it costs us very little to keep it going. All projects that are
useful and well used were at one point completely obscure, including
the English Wikipedia. That obscurity is not, of itself, a good reason
to delete the entire project.

Is this because you're upset at being moderated on wikinews-l?

Nathan

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM, <WJhonson [at] aol> wrote:
> Wikinews should be gracefully shut down.  It's long since failed to serve
> any service to the community or to the world.  Few to no Wikipedia articles
> point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article.  And I submit that
> no outside agency points at Wikinews articles for anything.
>
> Why do we still have this project?
>
> Will
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george.herbert at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 1:16 PM

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, <WJhonson [at] aol> wrote:
> [...] Few to no Wikipedia articles
> point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article.

I believe that there's a policy determination that Wikinews is not a
Wikipedia "Reliable Source" as defined in [[WP:RS]], so not having
pointers from Wikipedia to Wikinews is to be expected.

(I leave the rest of the case for others to debate).


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wjhonson at aol

Nov 4, 2009, 2:35 PM

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Re: Wikinews has failed [In reply to]

But George we do have pointers from Wikipedia to Wikisource, Wikiquote, and so on. Wikinews is sort of the red-headed stepchild of the entire collective. It's been going for years and yet only has 15,000 English-language articles. That's probably smaller even than Citizendium.

The failure is even more severe when a project is so small that it can be dominated by a clique of people pushing power-plays to silence opponents. That is simply in my mind anathema to our entire structure. When a club becomes an effective tool, used by those in power against those not, than a project should be shut down.

Will Johnson





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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, <WJhonson [at] aol> wrote:
> [...] Few to no Wikipedia articles
> point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article.

I believe that there's a policy determination that Wikinews is not a
Wikipedia "Reliable Source" as defined in [[WP:RS]], so not having
pointers from Wikipedia to Wikinews is to be expected.

(I leave the rest of the case for others to debate).


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altallym at googlemail

Nov 4, 2009, 2:44 PM

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Re: Wikinews has failed [In reply to]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:02 PM, <WJhonson [at] aol> wrote:

> Wikinews should be gracefully shut down. It's long since failed to serve
> any service to the community or to the world. Few to no Wikipedia articles
> point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article. And I submit that
> no outside agency points at Wikinews articles for anything.
>
> Why do we still have this project?
>
> Will


If you are serious, and not just trolling sour grapes after being moderated
on the wikinews mailing list, the appropriate place to suggest project
closures is Metawiki.

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