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waerth at asianet

Sep 30, 2009, 9:45 AM

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Re: Office hours ... the concept of time zones

Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still
be possible to please most of the world. There are times when
Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East
Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap .... There are no hours that all
3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East
would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones.

Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would
overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon
East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in)
Office hours for an Americas/Europe zone could be something like 1900
UTC till 2100 UTC (Afternoon/morning Americas, Evening Europe) When you
plan round and bout these hours most of the world would be satisfied and
able to participate in either one or the other set of office hours!

W

> I think having the thursday meeting one or two more hours later would work
> fine for Europe, so if that works also better for Australia... Not sure
> about the Friday one, although the next day is weekend. 2130 UTC sounds like
> a good time though.
>
> 2009/9/29 Angela <beesley [at] gmail>
>
>
>>> 1) Have the Friday office hours one hour earlier (from 21:30-22:30 UTC)
>>> 2) Have the Thursday office hours one hour later (from 17:00-18:00 UTC)
>>> 3) Keep two sets of office hours the same, we cannot please everyone
>>> possible!
>>>
>> If you make the Friday one earlier, it becomes more inaccessible to
>> people in Asia and Western Australia who will likely be sleeping
>> through the Thursday one.
>>
>> What about making both of them a couple of hours later?
>>
>> Angela
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Sep 30, 2009, 9:53 AM

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Re: Office hours ... the concept of time zones [In reply to]

2009/9/30 Waerth <waerth [at] asianet>:
> Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still
> be possible to please most of the world. There are times when
> Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East
> Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap .... There are no hours that all
> 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East
> would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones.
>
> Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would
> overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon
> East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in)

That's 8pm to 10pm in San Francisco (daylight saving time, 7pm to 9pm
otherwise), I think this really needs to happen during business hours
in SF, otherwise staff have to give up their free time for it. If they
are willing to do that, then great, but we shouldn't expect them to.

> Office hours for an Americas/Europe zone could be something like 1900
> UTC till 2100 UTC (Afternoon/morning Americas, Evening Europe) When you
> plan round and bout these hours most of the world would be satisfied and
> able to participate in either one or the other set of office hours!

That ought to work fine.

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waerth at asianet

Sep 30, 2009, 10:23 AM

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Re: Office hours ... the concept of time zones [In reply to]

Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/30 Waerth <waerth [at] asianet>:
>
>> Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still
>> be possible to please most of the world. There are times when
>> Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East
>> Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap .... There are no hours that all
>> 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East
>> would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones.
>>
>> Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would
>> overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon
>> East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in)
>>
>
> That's 8pm to 10pm in San Francisco (daylight saving time, 7pm to 9pm
> otherwise), I think this really needs to happen during business hours
> in SF, otherwise staff have to give up their free time for it. If they
> are willing to do that, then great, but we shouldn't expect them to.
That is true ... but it would be awfully nice if they would do ... maybe
change their hours for those particular days (instead of 9 to 17 work
from 14 to 22?) otherwise it would be difficult to fit Asia/Australia in
in any schedule really. The other option would be something like 0200
utc (though very early for India) or 1400/1500 utc (but this would be
very late for Japan and Australia/New Zealand).

Personally I would opt for 0200 utc then as that would squeeze by best I
guess .....

I know I was being a tad aggressive but I get pretty upset when people
plan things conveniently for the Europeans and Americans and forget that
there are 3.5 billion people on other parts of the planet out there some
of whom do participate .....

W
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Sep 30, 2009, 11:35 AM

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Re: Office hours ... the concept of time zones [In reply to]

Really, this all feels very simple to me.

You take the earliest time in the morning and the latest time in the
afternoon that people working in an office in San Francisco are will
to accommodate. Will that satisfy everyone? No. However picking
times at the start and the end of the business day is probably the
most that it is reasonable to ask of the staff as an ongoing
commitment.

-Robert Rohde

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Waerth <waerth [at] asianet> wrote:
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> 2009/9/30 Waerth <waerth [at] asianet>:
>>
>>> Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still
>>> be possible to please most of the world. There are times when
>>> Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East
>>> Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap .... There are no hours that all
>>> 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East
>>> would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones.
>>>
>>> Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would
>>> overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon
>>> East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in)
>>>
>>
>> That's 8pm to 10pm in San Francisco (daylight saving time, 7pm to 9pm
>> otherwise), I think this really needs to happen during business hours
>> in SF, otherwise staff have to give up their free time for it. If they
>> are willing to do that, then great, but we shouldn't expect them to.
> That is true ... but it would be awfully nice if they would do ... maybe
> change their hours for those particular days (instead of 9 to 17 work
> from 14 to 22?) otherwise it would be difficult to fit Asia/Australia in
> in �any schedule really. The other option would be something like 0200
> utc (though very early for India) or 1400/1500 utc (but this would be
> very late for Japan and Australia/New Zealand).
>
> Personally I would opt for 0200 utc then as that would squeeze by best I
> guess .....
>
> I know I was being a tad aggressive but I get pretty upset when people
> plan things conveniently for the Europeans and Americans and forget that
> there are 3.5 billion people on other parts of the planet out there some
> of whom do participate .....
>
> W
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