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Jul 19, 2009, 12:45 PM

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Re: Attribution on small interactive devices andsystems

We need to think a little bit outside the box, here; this domain should
really be available, and make sense to use, for *all* WMF sites.
http://www.wm.org is only occupied by a websquatter at the moment, AFAICT; I
think a schema like http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/<article_title> or
http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/?oldid=<oldid> would be cleanest. For enwiki it
would be http://wm.org/enwiki/Foo; the worst-case scenario is AFAIK
http://wm.org/mediawikiwiki/Foo; still only 28 characters plus the title.
Use one of the qqx reserved codes for stuff like copyright, and you have a
complete service.

--HM

"Chad" <innocentkiller [at] gmail> wrote in
message news:5924f50a0907170633ofbf108al8b2486ae889cc00f [at] mail
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Andrew Gray<andrew.gray [at] dunelm>
> wrote:
>> 2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel [at] googlemail>:
>>
>>> Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service?
>>> This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the
>>> wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.
>>>
>>> eg.:
>>> http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z
>>> redirects to
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573
>>
>> I discovered yesterday that:
>>
>> enwp.org/Article
>>
>> redirects to
>>
>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article
>>
>> Sadly, it doesn't work with revision IDs, but it's a start!
>>
>> --
>> - Andrew Gray
>> andrew.gray [at] dunelm
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> Yes it does, enwp.org/?oldid=60372135 should redirect you to
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?oldid=60372135 which is a 2006 revision
> of [[Old-Timers' Day]] (thanks Special:Random).
>
> -Chad
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tim at tim-landscheidt

Jul 19, 2009, 1:42 PM

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Re: Attribution on small interactive devices andsystems [In reply to]

"Happy-melon" <happy-melon [at] live> wrote:

> We need to think a little bit outside the box, here; this domain should
> really be available, and make sense to use, for *all* WMF sites.
> http://www.wm.org is only occupied by a websquatter at the moment, AFAICT; I
> think a schema like http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/<article_title> or
> http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/?oldid=<oldid> would be cleanest. For enwiki it
> would be http://wm.org/enwiki/Foo; the worst-case scenario is AFAIK
> http://wm.org/mediawikiwiki/Foo; still only 28 characters plus the title.
> Use one of the qqx reserved codes for stuff like copyright, and you have a
> complete service.
> [...]

To think outside the box would be to apply for a URN scheme
and have popular browsers implement it (like "wp:" in Kon-
queror for example). It cannot get cleaner than that, and we
would not have to worry about operations issues either :-).

Tim

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removed at example

Jul 19, 2009, 3:44 PM

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Re: Attribution on small interactive devices andsystems [In reply to]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Tim Landscheidt <tim [at] tim-landscheidt>wrote:

> "Happy-melon" <happy-melon [at] live> wrote:
>
> > We need to think a little bit outside the box, here; this domain should
> > really be available, and make sense to use, for *all* WMF sites.
> > http://www.wm.org is only occupied by a websquatter at the moment,
> AFAICT; I
> > think a schema like http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/<article_title> or
> > http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/?oldid=<oldid> would be cleanest. For enwiki
> it
> > would be http://wm.org/enwiki/Foo; the worst-case scenario is AFAIK
> > http://wm.org/mediawikiwiki/Foo; still only 28 characters plus the
> title.
> > Use one of the qqx reserved codes for stuff like copyright, and you have
> a
> > complete service.
> > [...]
>
> To think outside the box would be to apply for a URN scheme
> and have popular browsers implement it (like "wp:" in Kon-
> queror for example). It cannot get cleaner than that, and we
> would not have to worry about operations issues either :-).
>
> Tim

Even better, you could have the most popular search engines rank many
Wikipedia articles as the first result for their titles and have the most
popular browsers automatically search for whatever keywords you type into
the address bar. (Astute readers will note this is already the case). Of
course, this doesn't get around the CC URL license terms (neither does the
URI solution, AFAICT), but it points out the sillyness in requiring a URL in
the first place.

In my opinion the requirement that you link to the CC license is simply to
raise awareness of CC itself and has nothing to do with usability. Finding
the source and stable copy of the content you are looking at is trivial, and
thus so is finding its license. This true with only keywords and without
URLs/URIs.
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