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Jun 25, 2009, 6:08 PM

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Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository

OK. So let's drop the 'legal scholarship' from the original thread
and get back on topic.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM, John Vandenberg<jayvdb[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> off-topic?? ... surely you jest!!
>
> I think about _three_ of the 50+ emails in this thread have been on
> the topic of open access journal articles on Wikisource.

For a different example, Nina Paley recently released her full catalog
of works, comic art, video short, and feature film, under CC-SA. This
seems to me unequivocally interesting to Wikisource. The media should
also be uploaded to the Archive, but we simply have less control over
classification, organization into galleries, metadata manipulation and
commenting there. And there is no way to provide translations or
other-lanugage entries or articles alongside the original source
materials. [the Archive is not that friendly to non-english-readers]

Wikimedia currently doesn't like files as large as a feature film, or
even a high-def short. (how should we address this? Brion mentioned
something about making video easier to upload in November.) But is
there any reason not to include other bodies of published sources now
available under free license? Wikisource is currently the closest
thing available to a unified place to categorize, comment on, and
provide bidirectional links to source text and files of any sort. It
should in some ways be our largest project, and even our most widely
cited.

SJ

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Jun 27, 2009, 8:28 AM

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Re: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository [In reply to]

On 26 Jun 2009, at 02:08, Samuel Klein wrote:

> Wikimedia currently doesn't like files as large as a feature film, or
> even a high-def short. (how should we address this? Brion mentioned
> something about making video easier to upload in November.)

As I understand it, there are three issues with having large video
files on Wikimedia:
1. Server capacity: Disk space + server load + bandwidth
2. Interface: Ogg only, no ability to create clips, rescaling, etc.
3. Community will

(1) I assume is fairly easy to solve (simply by throwing money at the
problem) provided that there's sufficient demand and money available.
(2) is at least partly on its way, I believe, as per recent news
stories [1].
(3) I don't know whether there's the will in the community to have
large video support, partly as it's already done to an extent by
archive.org and partly due to bandwidth/resource concerns (both the
uploader's and Wikimedias)

Videos are resource-heavy, and community-light, unlike text content
on Wikipedia, or even images on Commons. It will remain community-
light unless we want to go the way of YouTube. It's still very
difficult to create decent quality, useful video.

Having said that, IMHO having a usable (high quality) copy of public
domain videos, and educational videos (PD or user-created), on
Wikimedia sites can only be good.

> But is
> there any reason not to include other bodies of published sources now
> available under free license? Wikisource is currently the closest
> thing available to a unified place to categorize, comment on, and
> provide bidirectional links to source text and files of any sort. It
> should in some ways be our largest project, and even our most widely
> cited.

Wikisource is for textual sources, not videos or files in general -
that's Wikimedia Commons.

Mike

[1] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10269308-17.html

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jayvdb at gmail

Jun 27, 2009, 2:38 PM

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Re: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository [In reply to]

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Michael Peel<email[at]mikepeel.net> wrote:
>
> Wikisource is for textual sources, not videos or files in general -
> that's Wikimedia Commons.

The video and other media is usually uploaded onto Commons, but the
transcript and translations are placed on Wikisource.

Speeches are a very large set of sources.

It would be great to have video of conferences to accompany the
printed conference papers.

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Jun 27, 2009, 3:14 PM

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Re: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository [In reply to]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Samuel Klein<meta.sj[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> OK. �So let's drop the 'legal scholarship' from the original thread
> and get back on topic.
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM, John Vandenberg<jayvdb[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> off-topic?? ... surely you jest!!
>>
>> I think about _three_ of the 50+ emails in this thread have been on
>> the topic of open access journal articles on Wikisource.
>
>
> For a different example, Nina Paley recently released her full catalog
> of works, comic art, video short, and feature film, under CC-SA. �This
> seems to me unequivocally interesting to Wikisource.

I've had a quick look, and the primary obstacle will be whether these
works were published in a more traditional sense. see [[WS:WWI]]

e.g. "Understanding Free Content" would be nice, but was it published elsewhere?

http://questioncopyright.org/understanding_free_content

The song Copying Isn't Theft is likely to be considered published, if
it received air-time or was pressed and sold.

http://questioncopyright.org/rearranging_isnt_theft_either

We dont have many comics yet, but here is what we do have:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Comics

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John Vandenberg

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