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wing.philopp at gmx

Jun 12, 2009, 8:10 AM

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Some reflections about the governance of Commons

Hello,

I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage other
organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload them
to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and its
chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as broadly
as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is here:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_about_the_governance_of_Common

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Ting

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gerard.meijssen at gmail

Jun 15, 2009, 9:58 AM

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Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons [In reply to]

Hoi,
There is a project called "Wiki loves art/nl" In this project people make
pictures of objects in museums in the Netherlands. The thing I have been
wondering about is that the pictures are first published on Flickr and then
are copied into Commons.

This is a project of the Dutch WMF chapter and some other organisations. I
read it as "there are too many problems with posting on Commons directly".
The reason why I bring this up is because it demonstrates how Commons is not
thought of as the helpful project it should be and it is not only pikiwiki
that has a problem.
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/6/12 Ting Chen <wing.philopp [at] gmx>

> Hello,
>
> I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
> Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
> With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage other
> organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload them
> to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and its
> chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as broadly
> as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is here:
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_about_the_governance_of_Common
>
> --
> Ting
>
> Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
>
>
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email at mikepeel

Jun 15, 2009, 12:23 PM

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Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons [In reply to]

That is more to do with the interface to Commons, as I understand it,
rather than the governance of it. Flickr is seen as being much easier
to use. I believe that was also the origin of Pikiwiki - essentially
creating a better interface to Commons.

BTW, to date I've never had a problem with Commons (after >2000 edits
and >500 images uploaded).

Mike

On 15 Jun 2009, at 17:58, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi,
> There is a project called "Wiki loves art/nl" In this project
> people make
> pictures of objects in museums in the Netherlands. The thing I have
> been
> wondering about is that the pictures are first published on Flickr
> and then
> are copied into Commons.
>
> This is a project of the Dutch WMF chapter and some other
> organisations. I
> read it as "there are too many problems with posting on Commons
> directly".
> The reason why I bring this up is because it demonstrates how
> Commons is not
> thought of as the helpful project it should be and it is not only
> pikiwiki
> that has a problem.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> 2009/6/12 Ting Chen <wing.philopp [at] gmx>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
>> Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
>> With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage
>> other
>> organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload
>> them
>> to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and
>> its
>> chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as
>> broadly
>> as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is
>> here:
>>
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/
>> Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_about_the_governance_of_Common
>>
>> --
>> Ting
>>
>> Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
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effeietsanders at gmail

Jun 16, 2009, 1:21 AM

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Re: Some reflections about the governance of Commons [In reply to]

The interface is only part of the problems which were identified. Also the
complicated procedures and the (sometimes considered hostile - although not
even always intentional) community were part of the equation. However, I do
agree that the interface is a huge problem, and fixing that would probably
make the odds to encounter a hostile community member smaller etc.

Lodewijk

2009/6/15 Michael Peel <email [at] mikepeel>

> That is more to do with the interface to Commons, as I understand it,
> rather than the governance of it. Flickr is seen as being much easier
> to use. I believe that was also the origin of Pikiwiki - essentially
> creating a better interface to Commons.
>
> BTW, to date I've never had a problem with Commons (after >2000 edits
> and >500 images uploaded).
>
> Mike
>
> On 15 Jun 2009, at 17:58, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > There is a project called "Wiki loves art/nl" In this project
> > people make
> > pictures of objects in museums in the Netherlands. The thing I have
> > been
> > wondering about is that the pictures are first published on Flickr
> > and then
> > are copied into Commons.
> >
> > This is a project of the Dutch WMF chapter and some other
> > organisations. I
> > read it as "there are too many problems with posting on Commons
> > directly".
> > The reason why I bring this up is because it demonstrates how
> > Commons is not
> > thought of as the helpful project it should be and it is not only
> > pikiwiki
> > that has a problem.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > 2009/6/12 Ting Chen <wing.philopp [at] gmx>
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
> >> Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
> >> With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage
> >> other
> >> organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload
> >> them
> >> to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and
> >> its
> >> chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as
> >> broadly
> >> as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is
> >> here:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/
> >> Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_about_the_governance_of_Common
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ting
> >>
> >> Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
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