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walter at wikipedia

Jul 25, 2008, 4:07 PM

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Wikimania 2008; online video recordings

Hi everyone,

I have not been to Wikimania but I do am interested in what was going on
there. And probably many people who did go also because you can not go
to everything.

120 years ago some clever guy found a solution for exactly this type of
problem.

About how this invention was used for the Wikimanias before 2008 have I
voiced in my newsletter my opinion last year;
http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html

For Wikimania 2008;

There are archived videos online of the sessions.
http://webcast.bibalex.org/Home/List.aspx?Conference=6u0LkBzgNlZm+RzGhC/6Ag==

This is the first Wikimania that this has happened. So far the good news.

The location, Biblotheca Alexandrina, was presented as a very new, very
upscale world class and technological advanced location for a
conference. Having some expectations that the are able to provide video
recordings is not unreasonable.

When I try to watch the video online it just does not work. I use Ubuntu
8.04 / FF3.0

On this blog can be find information about how you can watch the streams;
http://linuxawy.org/node/28

... and it works. At least for a while. Then the video stops in the
middle of a presentation.

This is a deep url
mms://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv

to the board panel session. I was not able to find out how to download
it directly. I was able to open it with VLC and dump the file locally
and so make a local copy.

This way it was possible to get behind the point where when streaming
the video breaks down. It seems that the video contains several points
where it is broken. The video stops but the audio keeps running. By
running the video forward a bit and back again you can get over the
break points.

But even so I was not able to view the whole session because the file at
a certain point was empty. The videofile seems to be so bad that even
VLC can not swallow it.

That is my user experience of "trying to view the Wikimanina 2008
recordings" for so far.

Why is the WMF again still not able to do what any 12 year old with a
mobile phone seems to be able to do these days; make a movie and put it
on the internet in way that just works?
What is wrong with putting files on an ftp-server and posting the urls?

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Jul 25, 2008, 5:21 PM

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Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings [In reply to]

I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
working on it, atm.

In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows
Media Player.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter [at] wikipedia> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have not been to Wikimania but I do am interested in what was going on
> there. And probably many people who did go also because you can not go
> to everything.
>
> 120 years ago some clever guy found a solution for exactly this type of
> problem.
>
> About how this invention was used for the Wikimanias before 2008 have I
> voiced in my newsletter my opinion last year;
> http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html
>
> For Wikimania 2008;
>
> There are archived videos online of the sessions.
> http://webcast.bibalex.org/Home/List.aspx?Conference=6u0LkBzgNlZm+RzGhC/6Ag==
>
> This is the first Wikimania that this has happened. So far the good news.
>
> The location, Biblotheca Alexandrina, was presented as a very new, very
> upscale world class and technological advanced location for a
> conference. Having some expectations that the are able to provide video
> recordings is not unreasonable.
>
> When I try to watch the video online it just does not work. I use Ubuntu
> 8.04 / FF3.0
>
> On this blog can be find information about how you can watch the streams;
> http://linuxawy.org/node/28
>
> ... and it works. At least for a while. Then the video stops in the
> middle of a presentation.
>
> This is a deep url
> mms://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv
>
> to the board panel session. I was not able to find out how to download
> it directly. I was able to open it with VLC and dump the file locally
> and so make a local copy.
>
> This way it was possible to get behind the point where when streaming
> the video breaks down. It seems that the video contains several points
> where it is broken. The video stops but the audio keeps running. By
> running the video forward a bit and back again you can get over the
> break points.
>
> But even so I was not able to view the whole session because the file at
> a certain point was empty. The videofile seems to be so bad that even
> VLC can not swallow it.
>
> That is my user experience of "trying to view the Wikimanina 2008
> recordings" for so far.
>
> Why is the WMF again still not able to do what any 12 year old with a
> mobile phone seems to be able to do these days; make a movie and put it
> on the internet in way that just works?
> What is wrong with putting files on an ftp-server and posting the urls?
>
> --
> Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org
> Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community
>

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Jul 25, 2008, 9:18 PM

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Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings [In reply to]

Alas i am unable to view the videos. I regret i would have to resort to IE
to view these proceedings.

It is perfectly possible to offer contenst through mms: links in a way that
FF can open as a stream. The installation of additiona; plugins i not
necessary. The provider i use for our church website has been doing this for
years, certainly it should be posisble here too.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml [at] gmail>wrote:

> I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
> format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
> working on it, atm.
>
> In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows
> Media Player.
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter [at] wikipedia>
> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have not been to Wikimania but I do am interested in what was going on
> > there. And probably many people who did go also because you can not go
> > to everything.
> >
> > 120 years ago some clever guy found a solution for exactly this type of
> > problem.
> >
> > About how this invention was used for the Wikimanias before 2008 have I
> > voiced in my newsletter my opinion last year;
> > http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html
> >
> > For Wikimania 2008;
> >
> > There are archived videos online of the sessions.
> >
> http://webcast.bibalex.org/Home/List.aspx?Conference=6u0LkBzgNlZm+RzGhC/6Ag==
> >
> > This is the first Wikimania that this has happened. So far the good news.
> >
> > The location, Biblotheca Alexandrina, was presented as a very new, very
> > upscale world class and technological advanced location for a
> > conference. Having some expectations that the are able to provide video
> > recordings is not unreasonable.
> >
> > When I try to watch the video online it just does not work. I use Ubuntu
> > 8.04 / FF3.0
> >
> > On this blog can be find information about how you can watch the streams;
> > http://linuxawy.org/node/28
> >
> > ... and it works. At least for a while. Then the video stops in the
> > middle of a presentation.
> >
> > This is a deep url
> > mms://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv
> >
> > to the board panel session. I was not able to find out how to download
> > it directly. I was able to open it with VLC and dump the file locally
> > and so make a local copy.
> >
> > This way it was possible to get behind the point where when streaming
> > the video breaks down. It seems that the video contains several points
> > where it is broken. The video stops but the audio keeps running. By
> > running the video forward a bit and back again you can get over the
> > break points.
> >
> > But even so I was not able to view the whole session because the file at
> > a certain point was empty. The videofile seems to be so bad that even
> > VLC can not swallow it.
> >
> > That is my user experience of "trying to view the Wikimanina 2008
> > recordings" for so far.
> >
> > Why is the WMF again still not able to do what any 12 year old with a
> > mobile phone seems to be able to do these days; make a movie and put it
> > on the internet in way that just works?
> > What is wrong with putting files on an ftp-server and posting the urls?
> >
> > --
> > Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org
> > Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community
> >
>
> --
> Casey Brown
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>
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huskyr at gmail

Jul 26, 2008, 12:07 AM

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml [at] gmail> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
> format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
> working on it, atm.
Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be
increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is
longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad
quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate.

And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded
through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash
video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows
Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also
possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there.

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dale at ucsc

Jul 26, 2008, 12:15 AM

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Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki:
http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions

--michael

Husky wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
>> format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
>> working on it, atm.
>>
> Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be
> increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is
> longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad
> quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate.
>
> And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded
> through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash
> video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows
> Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also
> possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there.
>
> -- Hay / Husky
>
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walter at wikipedia

Jul 26, 2008, 5:36 AM

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Casey Brown schreef:
> I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
> format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
> working on it, atm.

That would be very nice if that would happen. After previous Wikimanias
it was also anounced that the videos would come soon available.

Let's see after Wikimania 2009 how the videos of Wikimania 2008 are doing.

> In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows
> Media Player.

The problem is not the use of the Windows media format. I can play that.
The problem is getting the files.
And getting the files is a problem because the are not presented as file
to download. Also that these specific Windows media files seems to be
badly encoded so that playback is not working good.

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Jul 26, 2008, 6:40 AM

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Hoi,
I get the impression that most of the presentations should be there ...
HOWEVER

How do I make it work, what do I need to do to SEE anything. Should it start
automatically or what ???

I really want to see this work....

Thanks,
GerardM

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Michael Dale <dale [at] ucsc> wrote:

> Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki:
> http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions
>
> --michael
>
> Husky wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml [at] gmail>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
> >> format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
> >> working on it, atm.
> >>
> > Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be
> > increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is
> > longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad
> > quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate.
> >
> > And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded
> > through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash
> > video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows
> > Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also
> > possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there.
> >
> > -- Hay / Husky
> >
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dale at ucsc

Jul 26, 2008, 8:20 AM

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hmm they were up there early...but I am having the same issue you
described... I think Biblioteca Alexandra was going to upload the
rest?... check back later I guess?

peace,
--michael

Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> I get the impression that most of the presentations should be there ...
> HOWEVER
>
> How do I make it work, what do I need to do to SEE anything. Should it start
> automatically or what ???
>
> I really want to see this work....
>
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Michael Dale <dale [at] ucsc> wrote:
>
>
>> Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki:
>> http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions
>>
>> --michael
>>
>> Husky wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml [at] gmail>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
>>>> format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
>>>> working on it, atm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be
>>> increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is
>>> longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad
>>> quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate.
>>>
>>> And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded
>>> through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash
>>> video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows
>>> Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also
>>> possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there.
>>>
>>> -- Hay / Husky
>>>
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Jul 26, 2008, 8:48 AM

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter [at] wikipedia> wrote:

> Casey Brown schreef:
> > I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
> > format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
> > working on it, atm.
>
> That would be very nice if that would happen. After previous Wikimanias
> it was also anounced that the videos would come soon available.
>
> Let's see after Wikimania 2009 how the videos of Wikimania 2008 are doing.
>

Hi Walter, Don't worry. BA took care of recording all sessions; so now they
are available in digital format. Of course, videos couldn't be made
instantly available online, for certainly this huge amount of data (some 60
GB!) takes time in processing, and conversion to ogg format. We are still
investigating other options in case this too much data did not fit in
WikiCommons: one video is ~1G, while maximum ogg upload on Commons is
20MB!); other options include uploading videos to an ftp or to the Internet
Archive, which BA already hosts a mirror of.

Opening, closing, keynote and invited speakers sessions were the only ones
that were streamed live, so now they are archived here:
http://webcast.bibalex.org/home/home.aspx,
there is a useful hint for FF on Lunix users here:
http://linuxawy.org/node/28

Same sessions of web-cast, in additions to some others are also available on
Kaltura.devwiki

More news to come next week...Don't worry:)

Regards,
Moushira
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Jul 26, 2008, 9:14 AM

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Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings [In reply to]

Perhaps someone knowledgeable in live video feeds (that really works in
every platform) starts this page (for future reference):

http://meta.wikimedia.org/How to prepare live video feeds for my Wikimania

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shay.david at kaltura

Jul 26, 2008, 8:32 PM

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Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings [In reply to]

hi everybody.

we can convert the files we have to multiple formats, and make links available
for download.

we'll get to it, I'll post when it's ready.

Shay David
CTO, Kaltura Inc.
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> Casey Brown schreef:
>> I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
>> format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
>> working on it, atm.
>
> That would be very nice if that would happen. After previous Wikimanias
> it was also anounced that the videos would come soon available.
>
> Let's see after Wikimania 2009 how the videos of Wikimania 2008 are doing.
>
>> In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows
>> Media Player.
>
> The problem is not the use of the Windows media format. I can play that.
> The problem is getting the files.
> And getting the files is a problem because the are not presented as file
> to download. Also that these specific Windows media files seems to be
> badly encoded so that playback is not working good.
>

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Jul 27, 2008, 11:20 AM

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Hello Dears,

Movies -MPEG files- shall be available for download here ..soon:
http://www.bibalex.org/isis/Frontend/archive/Archive_Movie.aspx

Stay tuned! :)

Thanks,
Moushira

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Shay David <shay.david [at] kaltura> wrote:

>
> hi everybody.
>
> we can convert the files we have to multiple formats, and make links
> available
> for download.
>
> we'll get to it, I'll post when it's ready.
>
>
> Shay David
> CTO, Kaltura Inc.
> http://www.kaltura.com
>
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> > From: Walter Vermeir <walter [at] wikipedia>
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2008; online video recordings
> > To: foundation-l [at] lists
> > Message-ID: <g6f5nl$tv9$1 [at] ger>
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> > Casey Brown schreef:
> >> I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable
> >> format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is
> >> working on it, atm.
> >
> > That would be very nice if that would happen. After previous Wikimanias
> > it was also anounced that the videos would come soon available.
> >
> > Let's see after Wikimania 2009 how the videos of Wikimania 2008 are
> doing.
> >
> >> In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows
> >> Media Player.
> >
> > The problem is not the use of the Windows media format. I can play that.
> > The problem is getting the files.
> > And getting the files is a problem because the are not presented as file
> > to download. Also that these specific Windows media files seems to be
> > badly encoded so that playback is not working good.
> >
>
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