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bryan.tongminh at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 6:44 AM

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Google Analytics

Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I
found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I
believed there was something about it in the past that it was not
allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here
first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.

Bryan

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gmaxwell at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 6:52 AM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Bryan Tong Minh
<bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I
> found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I
> believed there was something about it in the past that it was not
> allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here
> first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.

It's not allowed.

Admins are not permitted to add things like that under the privacy policy ...

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innocentkiller at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 7:04 AM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Bryan Tong Minh
> <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I
>> found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I
>> believed there was something about it in the past that it was not
>> allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here
>> first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.
>
> It's not allowed.
>
> Admins are not permitted to add things like that under the privacy policy ...
>
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Also related: http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tracker.js

-Chad

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geniice at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 10:33 AM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com>:
> Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I
> found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I
> believed there was something about it in the past that it was not
> allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here
> first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.
>
> Bryan
>

Has been removed by MaxSem:

http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js&diff=1261501&oldid=757905

--
geni

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bryan.tongminh at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 11:41 AM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM, geni <geniice[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com>:
>> Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I
>> found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I
>> believed there was something about it in the past that it was not
>> allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here
>> first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>
> Has been removed by MaxSem:
>
> http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js&diff=1261501&oldid=757905
>
> --
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I ran a check on all Wikimedia wikis and found 2 more:
* http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
* http://th.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js

Bryan

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dgerard at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 11:46 AM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM, geni <geniice[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com>:

>>> Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I
>>> found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I
>>> believed there was something about it in the past that it was not
>>> allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here
>>> first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.

>> Has been removed by MaxSem:
>> http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js&diff=1261501&oldid=757905

> I ran a check on all Wikimedia wikis and found 2 more:
> * http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
> * http://th.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js

Suitable candidate for the spam list? (If that will affect the
contents of MediaWiki: space files.) Those URLs shouldn't ever be on a
Wikimedia page, I'd think.

- d.

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innocentkiller at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 12:03 PM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:46 PM, David Gerard <dgerard[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com>:
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM, geni <geniice[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com>:
>
>>>> Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I
>>>> found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I
>>>> believed there was something about it in the past that it was not
>>>> allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here
>>>> first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.
>
>>> Has been removed by MaxSem:
>>> http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js&diff=1261501&oldid=757905
>
>> I ran a check on all Wikimedia wikis and found 2 more:
>> * http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
>> * http://th.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js
>
>
> Suitable candidate for the spam list? (If that will affect the
> contents of MediaWiki: space files.) Those URLs shouldn't ever be on a
> Wikimedia page, I'd think.
>
>
> - d.
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Aren't sysops exempt from the spam blacklists anyway? I could be
completely wrong here.

-Chad

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gmaxwell at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 12:23 PM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Chad <innocentkiller[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Aren't sysops exempt from the spam blacklists anyway? I could be
> completely wrong here.

So they could inadvertently make pages uneditable by anyone else?

That wouldn't work so well.. ;) That isn't the case unless something
has changed recently.

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innocentkiller at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 12:34 PM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Chad <innocentkiller[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aren't sysops exempt from the spam blacklists anyway? I could be
>> completely wrong here.
>
> So they could inadvertently make pages uneditable by anyone else?
>
> That wouldn't work so well.. ;) That isn't the case unless something
> has changed recently.
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I stand corrected, thanks :-)

-Chad

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mike.lifeguard at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 5:02 PM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

Nobody is exempt. If you want it blacklisted (not an outlandish idea, I
think, but requires some consensus) please list it at [[m:Talk:Spam
blacklist]] as usual.

Mike

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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Google Analytics

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:46 PM, David Gerard <dgerard[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com>:
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM, geni <geniice[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh[at]gmail.com>:
>
>>>> Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I
>>>> found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I
>>>> believed there was something about it in the past that it was not
>>>> allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here
>>>> first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.
>
>>> Has been removed by MaxSem:
>>>
http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%
94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js&diff=12
61501&oldid=757905
>
>> I ran a check on all Wikimedia wikis and found 2 more:
>> * http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
>> *
http://th.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%
E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js
>
>
> Suitable candidate for the spam list? (If that will affect the
> contents of MediaWiki: space files.) Those URLs shouldn't ever be on a
> Wikimedia page, I'd think.
>
>
> - d.
>
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Aren't sysops exempt from the spam blacklists anyway? I could be
completely wrong here.

-Chad

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gmaxwell at gmail

Jul 9, 2008, 6:59 PM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:02 PM, mike.lifeguard <mike.lifeguard[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Nobody is exempt. If you want it blacklisted (not an outlandish idea, I
> think, but requires some consensus) please list it at [[m:Talk:Spam
> blacklist]] as usual.

You can't stop them ... raw html or JS that does a document.write
isn't going to hit the SBL, these aren't external links.

The long terms solution is to further constrain the ability to edit JS
and raw HTML than just adminship. The desire to be able to do that
has been around for a while but there are a lot of little places in
mediawiki that need to be changed for it to happen.

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Jul 12, 2008, 6:48 AM

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Re: Google Analytics [In reply to]

Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:02 PM, mike.lifeguard wrote:
>> Nobody is exempt. If you want it blacklisted (not an outlandish idea, I
>> think, but requires some consensus) please list it at [[m:Talk:Spam
>> blacklist]] as usual.
>
> You can't stop them ... raw html or JS that does a document.write
> isn't going to hit the SBL, these aren't external links.

It can be added to $wgRegex.
They can easy overcome it, a simple concatenation is enough. But
hopefully they will think twice about it if they se it has been blocked?

Specially if instead of "you can't insert google-analytics" or "you
can't insert urchinTracker()" they receive a message like "Using google
analytics goes against the WMF privacy policy. No, you are NOT allowed
to add it. If you're still in doubt ask in foundation-l first"

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