millosh at gmail
May 15, 2008, 3:37 AM
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There are some important similar sets for translation, which I didn't
include (maybe I should do that...):
- The names of the projects in different languages (Wikipedia,
Wikinews, Wiktionary...).
- The language adjectives forms in connection with the projects names
(Wikipedia in Italian [language], Wiktionary in French [language]...).
- General rules for genitive/possesive case usage for the projects for
constructions like "Wikipedia statistics/Statistics of Wikipedia [in
<some> [language]]".
Some of the features needed for that are implemented at MediaWiki and
could be used at Betawiki after some amount of coding.
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Milos Rancic <millosh[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> There is an important distinction between translating all language
> names and translating the language names of Wikimedia projects. For
> the first one I suggest usage of OmegaWiki, of course (Gerard, may you
> give the links to the ISO 639-* sets at OW?), which may be filled by
> other projects, too. Babel templates/extension should contain not only
> WM languages, too.
>
> The other thing is the set of languages which are used at WM projects.
> This should be the priority for translation. When we have translated
> the most of them, we would be able to have, for example, multilingual
> www.wiki*.org pages, as well as a lot of other lists which contain
> language names of WM projects.
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hoi,
>> There are many more languages then provided by either the CLDR or the
>> ICU-project.. Also we have a need not only but also for the name of the
>> language. The codes as used by the ICU are a mix of the codes used by the
>> different ISO-639 standards.. The Babel extension is aware of both ...
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Anon Sricharoenchai <anon.hui[at]gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/15/08, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hoi,
>>> > The Babel extension that is being developed in Betawiki has all these
>>> > languages translated into the native language. Also the name for the
>>> > language is initially retrieved from the CLDR standard. We will welcome
>>> your
>>>
>>> Another solution is to use libicu (http://www.icu-project.org/) via
>>> php-intl extension (http://docs.php.net/manual/en/intro.intl.php).
>>> ICU have already imported those translations from CLDR.
>>> See
>>> http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/locexp?_=fr&SHOWLanguages=1#Languages
>>> , for an example of french translations.
>>>
>>> With php-intl, use,
>>> http://docs.php.net/manual/en/locale.getdisplaylanguage.php: to get
>>> localized display of language name
>>> http://docs.php.net/manual/en/locale.getdisplayscript.php: localized
>>> display of script name
>>> http://docs.php.net/manual/en/locale.getdisplayregion.php: localized
>>> display of region name
>>>
>>> MediaWiki then could have magic variables for these translations.
>>>
>>> > help localising the Babel extension... We truly want it to become
>>> available
>>> > as a WMF extension :)
>>> >
>>> > I am still puzzled what you want to use it for.. There are many projects
>>> > that have already done exactly this and many are available under a free
>>> > license as well..
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > GerardM
>>>
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