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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>2009/7/4 Peter Gervai &amp;lt;grinapo@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 21:45, John at Darkstar&amp;lt;vacuum@jeb.no&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; There is a solution, and it is r</description>
<pubDate>04 Jul  2009 09:22:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 21:45, John at Darkstar&amp;lt;vacuum@jeb.no&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about &amp;gt; iden</description>
<pubDate>04 Jul  2009 01:16:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Licensing update rolled out in all languages/projects</title>
<description>Hoi, The messages can be found on translatewiki here.. http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&amp;amp;task=view&amp;amp;group=ext-wikimediamessage</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 14:52:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Licensing update rolled out in all languages/projects</title>
<description>I have four questions/requests: 1) Can you produce a list of all new mediawiki messages related to the change? Also, a list of old messages and their</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 14:08:56 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170509</link>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about identification by an URI, and this can be defined several ways. We can simply</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 12:45:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and	systems</title>
<description>A url for a medium without a clickable link is, well, not an optimum solution. Obfuscated url isn&amp;#039;t really any better, but it might be shorter. John</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 12:38:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and	systems</title>
<description>I know it is even worse for some other languages, but I don&amp;#039;t think it is very interesting to calculate exact numbers for a couple of hundred language</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 12:36:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Hay (Husky)&amp;lt;huskyr@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Unfortunately OGG Theora didn&amp;#039;t make it as the default codec for the &amp;gt; HTML5</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 08:25:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Benjamin Lees &amp;lt;emufarmers@gmail.com&amp;gt;wr</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 07:14:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar&amp;lt;vacuum@jeb.no&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site &amp;gt; would be</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 07:10:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Benjamin Lees &amp;lt;emufarmers@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 07:08:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 13:26, Amir E. Aharoni&amp;lt;amir.aharoni@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; But it&amp;#039;s even better not to push OGG through a committee, but to make</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 07:08:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Amir E. Aharoni&amp;lt;amir.aharoni@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Maybe you are joking and i am missing it, but that is indeed sad - &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 05:55:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>Hoi, Did you consider what this does in other scripts ... the notion that it is a small number of characters is based on the notion that the script wi</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 05:48:37 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170463</link>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 14:01, Mike.lifeguard &amp;lt;mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Silly me, I never thought anyone would even consider having a stan</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 04:26:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>Silly me, I never thought anyone would even consider having a standard that wasn&amp;#039;t completely open. -Mike On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 00:16 -0700, Falcori</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 04:01:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>It&amp;#039;s not free as it is patent encumbered, see [[.H.264#Patent_licensing]]. --Falcorian On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Mike.lifeguard &amp;lt;mikelifeguard</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 00:16:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Sorry, where I said AbuseFilter I meant to say FlaggedRevisions. I&amp;#039;m not &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>03 Jul  2009 00:00:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>Purely out of ignorance, why do we like ogg, but not H264? Or is it not that we don&amp;#039;t /like/ it, but rather we simply don&amp;#039;t support it as a format for</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:50:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Brian&amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Robert Rohde &amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:40:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Robert Rohde&amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; (For the record, I&amp;#039;m referring to &amp;gt; the earliest history of ParserFunctions.</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:13:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Robert Rohde &amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Brian&amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;lt;</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:11:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Brian&amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;lt;snip&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I really like the ParserFunctions example. Enabled with hardly any &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 19:06:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>Sorry, where I said AbuseFilter I meant to say FlaggedRevisions. I&amp;#039;m not sure on how AbuseFilter came to be agreed on. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:15 PM</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 18:19:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jennifer Riggs &amp;lt;jriggs@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m curious. In your perspective who is doing the central management</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 18:15:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>2009/7/3 Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; A compromise is a win-win. In the absence of a compromise its a lose-lose. &amp;gt; Except that H264 wins sinc</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 18:12:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>&amp;gt; &amp;gt; ---------------------------------------------------------------------- &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Message: 1 &amp;gt; Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:09:00 +0100 &amp;gt; From: Thomas Dalt</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 17:59:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Brian&amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; A compromise is a win-win. Compromising is not a good idea per se. It&amp;#039;s on</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 17:25:54 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170410</link>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Aryeh Gregor &amp;lt;Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com&amp;lt;Simetrical%2Bwikilist@gmail.com&amp;gt; &amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:22 P</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 17:14:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Brian&amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; It&amp;#039;s a shame they couldn&amp;#039;t get all vendors to agree to ship both ogg and &amp;gt; h</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 17:10:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Brian&amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; I actually was not aware that the terms now ask you to link not only to the</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 17:01:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar &amp;lt;vacuum@jeb.no&amp;gt; wrote:</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 16:38:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar &amp;lt;vacuum@jeb.no&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site &amp;gt; woul</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 16:35:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be &amp;quot; http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommon</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 16:32:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Attribution on small interactive devices and systems</title>
<description>It seems like the attribution scheme chosen does not support small interactive devices and systems very Well. Are there anyone who have given this any</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 16:23:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Hay (Husky) &amp;lt;huskyr@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Thomas Dalton&amp;lt;thomas.dalton@gmail.com&amp;gt; &amp;gt; wrot</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 16:22:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Thomas Dalton&amp;lt;thomas.dalton@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Flash isn&amp;#039;t generally available out of the box, though, is it? In the</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 16:20:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>2009/7/3 Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; H264 already plays in, IIRC, 98% of browsers through flash. Flash isn&amp;#039;t generally available out of the</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 16:18:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>H264 already plays in, IIRC, 98% of browsers through flash. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Hay (Husky) &amp;lt;huskyr@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; http://lists.wha</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 16:12:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>EN Wikizine - Year: 2009 Week: 27 Number: 110</title>
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<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 15:56:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Wikimedia Foundation 2009-10 Annual Plan and Questions and Answers</title>
<description>Hi, I&amp;#039;m happy to tell you that I have just posted to the Foundation website, the 2009-10 Annual Plan along with Questions and Answers. The resolut</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 15:14:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>Hay (Husky) wrote: &amp;gt; http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020620.html &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Unfortunately OGG Theora didn&amp;#039;t make it as the def</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 15:03:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Job Opening at WMF - Project Manager</title>
<description>The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking a term-limited (one year) full-time Project Manager for its new &amp;quot;Bookshelf&amp;quot; Project (text below). Feel free to s</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 14:32:30 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170388</link>
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<title>Re: Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>2009/7/2 Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; As the projects have grown and as they have become more centrally managed in &amp;gt; a top down fashion it has</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 08:09:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>No default codec for &amp;lt;video&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;audio&amp;gt; in HTML5</title>
<description>http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020620.html Unfortunately OGG Theora didn&amp;#039;t make it as the default codec for the HTML5</description>
<pubDate>02 Jul  2009 02:26:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Fwd: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Jimmy Wales &amp;lt;jwales@wikia-inc.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;  I&amp;#039;d be interested to see your positive, assume-good-faith list of &amp;gt; sug</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 21:07:33 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170311</link>
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<title>Re: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>Brian, along with your long list of negatively-phrased questions, I&amp;#039;d be interested to see your positive, assume-good-faith list of suggestions.  _</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 19:32:41 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170308</link>
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<title>Re: $300K grant for Wikimedia Commons</title>
<description>2009/7/2 Erik Moeller &amp;lt;erik@wikimedia.org&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; All, &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m very happy to announce that the Ford Foundation has awarded a &amp;gt; $300,000 grant to the Wikim</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 18:42:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>$300K grant for Wikimedia Commons</title>
<description>All, I&amp;#039;m very happy to announce that the Ford Foundation has awarded a $300,000 grant to the Wikimedia Foundation to improve our interfaces and workf</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 18:30:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Brian wrote: &amp;gt; Is the assumption that all of the members of the community who are &amp;gt; knowledgeable and interested have</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 11:50:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>Hoi, The answer seems obvious: &amp;quot;in the same way it has always been done&amp;quot;. There are a few things that are quite obvious, the community will not be ask</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 07:01:12 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170232</link>
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<title>Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>2009/7/1 Robert Rohde &amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; An idea that has been toyed with a couple of other places is to allow &amp;gt; defined blocks and references to</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 05:43:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>I of course cannot speak for the Foundation. I only write this in the view of a volunteer dev, like many others. That statement was written a long ti</description>
<pubDate>01 Jul  2009 05:30:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>How do you fully consult the community consensus?</title>
<description>Going forward, how does the Foundation plan to make large changes to the software in full consultation with the community consensus? Is the assumptio</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 22:16:31 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170209</link>
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<title>Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Robert Rohde&amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m not sure how one would make your hook system work in a way that &amp;gt; was pr</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 20:29:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Brian&amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Brion Vibber&amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote:</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 20:16:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>2009/7/1 Brian &amp;lt;Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Editors clearly need a better system for declaring facts about &amp;gt; articles and then using them in advance</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 19:46:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages</title>
<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Brion Vibber&amp;lt;brion@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; As many folks have noted, our current templating system works ok for &amp;gt; si</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 18:54:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot; &amp;amp; pt:wiki policies</title>
<description>Behavior on many projects IS outrageous; when someone complains the response is almost universally that the foundation doesn&amp;#039;t get involved in local p</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 02:11:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikipedia article traffic statistics - copyright?</title>
<description>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 09:01, Ray Saintonge&amp;lt;saintonge@telus.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; [1]. The Battle Over Who Owns Bus Arrival Times: &amp;gt; So why should a local s</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 01:57:47 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170101</link>
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<title>Re: Wikipedia article traffic statistics - copyright?</title>
<description>K. Peachey wrote: &amp;gt; They might not be, but with that San Francisco bus data issue [1] &amp;gt; happening at the moment, everyone&amp;#039;s checking everything these</description>
<pubDate>30 Jun  2009 00:01:06 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170096</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot; &amp;amp; pt:wiki policies</title>
<description>Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: &amp;gt; Marc, you comment is not very optimistic, but it was a great &amp;gt; incentive to do what I announced above. Hopefully othe</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 23:44:18 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170095</link>
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<title>Re: Wikipedia article traffic statistics - copyright?</title>
<description>On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:13 AM, Aude wrote: &amp;gt; Henrik&amp;#039;s Wikipedia article traffic statistics tool does not indicate &amp;gt; copyright or license status, so it&amp;#039;</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 22:47:07 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170094</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot; &amp;amp; pt:wiki policies</title>
<description>Steven Walling wrote: &amp;gt; 1. You&amp;#039;re wrong. Just today I myself received some kind words offlist, but &amp;gt; related to a thread. Just because you&amp;#039;re not gett</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 21:53:37 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170091</link>
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<title>&amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot; &amp;amp; pt:wiki policies</title>
<description>Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Thanks for the comments from Marc, Nathan and Steven. I&amp;#039;m hurrying this response in an attempt to keep</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 20:29:41 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170090</link>
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<title>Re: Wikipedia article traffic statistics - copyright?</title>
<description>&amp;gt; Facts aren&amp;#039;t usually copyrightable and I doubt database rights apply &amp;gt; (I don&amp;#039;t know much about them, though), so it&amp;#039;s just the presentation &amp;gt; of th</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 19:17:40 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170086</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot; &amp;amp; pt:wiki policies</title>
<description>1. You&amp;#039;re wrong. Just today I myself received some kind words offlist, but related to a thread. Just because you&amp;#039;re not getting the air of friendlines</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 19:10:43 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170085</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot; &amp;amp; pt:wiki policies</title>
<description>The most significant problem, Virgilio, is that there isn&amp;#039;t too much people on this list can do. Unless and until problems become so clear that stewar</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 19:01:21 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170084</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot; &amp;amp; pt:wiki policies</title>
<description>on 6/29/09 8:35 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado at vam@fct.unl.pt wrote: &amp;gt; Talking about antisocial... It&amp;#039;s quite interesting what I experienced &amp;gt; in this</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 18:47:31 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170083</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot;</title>
<description>On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen&amp;lt;gerard.meijssen@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Hoi, &amp;gt; Is this blog syndicated on either of the two ? That would</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 18:03:42 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170074</link>
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<title>Re: Wikipedia article traffic statistics - copyright?</title>
<description>2009/6/30 Aude &amp;lt;aude.wiki@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Henrik&amp;#039;s Wikipedia article traffic statistics tool does not indicate &amp;gt; copyright or license status, so it&amp;#039;s no</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 17:53:42 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170073</link>
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<title>&amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot; &amp;amp; pt:wiki policies</title>
<description>Talking about antisocial... It&amp;#039;s quite interesting what I experienced in this very list. I wasn&amp;#039;t aware of the study published in the New Scientist</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 17:35:50 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170072</link>
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<title>Wikipedia article traffic statistics - copyright?</title>
<description>Henrik&amp;#039;s Wikipedia article traffic statistics tool does not indicate copyright or license status, so it&amp;#039;s not clear if I can include a chart on a Wiki</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 17:13:55 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170071</link>
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<title>Licensing update rolled out in all languages/projects</title>
<description>After an initial reference implementation in the English Wikipedia and some bottom-up implementations in a number of projects, the licensing update to</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 15:31:48 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170060</link>
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<title>demande d&amp;#039;inscription</title>
<description>Bonjor j&amp;#039;ai l&amp;#039;honneur de vous demander de bien vouloir m&amp;#039;nscrire -- Hadraj Said _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 15:14:28 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170059</link>
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<title>Re: Wikizine at foundaiton-l?</title>
<description>On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Walter Vermeir&amp;lt;walter@wikipedia.be&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Bence Damokos schreef: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; It&amp;#039;s a magnificent idea in my opinion, as well</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 15:03:04 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170058</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot;</title>
<description>Hoi, Is this blog syndicated on either of the two ? That would be the obvious thing to get it read :) Thanks,   GerardM 2009/6/29 phoebe ayers &amp;lt;ph</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 14:56:34 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170057</link>
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<title>Re: Wikizine at foundaiton-l?</title>
<description>Bence Damokos schreef: &amp;gt; It&amp;#039;s a magnificent idea in my opinion, as well. Just make sure, please, that &amp;gt; you include a prominent unsubscribe link in th</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 14:54:39 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170056</link>
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<title>Re: Wikizine at foundaiton-l?</title>
<description>It&amp;#039;s a magnificent idea in my opinion, as well. Just make sure, please, that you include a prominent unsubscribe link in the first couple of issues, s</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 14:09:43 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170040</link>
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<title>Re: Wikizine at foundaiton-l?</title>
<description>I also think it&amp;#039;s a good idea. It contains a lot of useful information and would be valuable for subscribers to this list. --- Rjd0060 rjd0060.wiki@</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 14:06:55 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170039</link>
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<title>Re: Wikizine at foundaiton-l?</title>
<description>David Gerard wrote: &amp;gt; 2009/6/28 Walter Vermeir &amp;lt;walter@wikipedia.be&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;  &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Probaly useful for those who do not know it; an expamle &amp;gt;&amp;gt;   &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 13:55:15 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170038</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot;</title>
<description>On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Gerard Meijssen&amp;lt;gerard.meijssen@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Hoi, &amp;gt; The signpost is something of the English Wikipedia. I do n</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 11:20:08 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170024</link>
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<title>Re: Why &amp;quot;Wikipedia&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;the Wikipedia&amp;quot;?</title>
<description>Okay, I have to say that this whole thread makes us all look a little silly. Let it be known everlastingly that *this*&amp;lt;http://www.theonion.com/content</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 11:13:57 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170023</link>
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<title>Re: Why &amp;quot;Wikipedia&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;the Wikipedia&amp;quot;?</title>
<description>On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Thomas Dalton&amp;lt;thomas.dalton@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; 2009/6/28 Samuel Klein &amp;lt;meta.sj@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Wikipedia does not tak</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 11:11:34 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170022</link>
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<title>Wikimedia in the UK</title>
<description>What Wikimedia events or activities would you like to see take place  in the UK? We&amp;#039;re currently trying to pull together ideas for &amp;quot;initiatives&amp;quot; tha</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 10:43:10 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170021</link>
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<title>Re: Video and subtitles</title>
<description>http://metavid.org/wiki/ http://metavid.org/wiki/MetaVidWiki_Software http://metavid.org/wiki/MetaVidWiki_Features_Overview On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 7</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 10:36:14 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170020</link>
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<title>Re: Video and subtitles</title>
<description>The SubPLY system is for kaltura&amp;#039;s open source flash based solution. The ogg based solution is different... Any solution deployed on wikimedia proje</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 10:30:58 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/170019</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot;</title>
<description>Hoi, The signpost is something of the English Wikipedia. I do not frequent there. Also you are wrong on principles when you expect people of this list</description>
<pubDate>29 Jun  2009 02:00:12 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169992</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot;</title>
<description>Fred Bauder wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;#039;Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social &amp;gt;&amp;gt; production. That&amp;#039;s the conclusion suggested by a new</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 23:40:33 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169991</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot;</title>
<description>Tisza GergÅ&#039; wrote: &amp;gt; Eddie Tejeda &amp;lt;eddie@...&amp;gt; writes: &amp;gt;  &amp;gt; it&amp;lt;http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 21:53:12 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169990</link>
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<title>Re: Why &amp;quot;Wikipedia&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;the Wikipedia&amp;quot;?</title>
<description>2009/6/28 Samuel Klein &amp;lt;meta.sj@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Wikipedia does not take an article, nor does Wikimedia. As far as I&amp;#039;m concerned &amp;quot;Wikimedia&amp;quot; doesn&amp;#039;t exi</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 13:45:39 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169978</link>
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<title>Re: Why &amp;quot;Wikipedia&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;the Wikipedia&amp;quot;?</title>
<description>On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Samuel Klein &amp;lt;meta.sj@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; ps - I am confused by the first sentence on wikimedia.org [.what does &amp;gt; &amp;#039;W</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 13:17:25 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169977</link>
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<title>Re: Why &amp;quot;Wikipedia&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;the Wikipedia&amp;quot;?</title>
<description>Wikipedia does not take an article, nor does Wikimedia. When combined with an adjective modifying the project name, or a common noun modified by the</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 12:52:40 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169976</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot;</title>
<description>Eddie Tejeda &amp;lt;eddie@...&amp;gt; writes: &amp;gt; &amp;#039;Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social &amp;gt; production. That&amp;#039;s the conclusion sugges</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 11:52:11 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169969</link>
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<title>Re: GFDL-only + OTRS</title>
<description>Hoi, The conditions have changed and consequently it should be clear that what we did in the past has a reduced relevance for what we do in the future</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 10:49:25 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169968</link>
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<title>Re: Wikizine at foundaiton-l?</title>
<description>2009/6/28 Walter Vermeir &amp;lt;walter@wikipedia.be&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Probaly useful for those who do not know it; an expamle  It comes out infrequently enough that I s</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 09:52:57 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169952</link>
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<title>Re: GFDL-only + OTRS</title>
<description>2009/6/27 Gerard Meijssen &amp;lt;gerard.meijssen@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; It is not obvious because a viral license assumes that all other content &amp;gt; will be contiminat</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 08:45:32 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169951</link>
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<title>Re: Wikizine at foundaiton-l?</title>
<description>Probaly useful for those who do not know it; an expamle  ******************************************  __  __ _ _  _   _ / / /\ \ (_) | _(_)__</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 08:41:24 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169950</link>
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<title>Re: &amp;quot;antisocial production&amp;quot;</title>
<description>&amp;gt; Marc Riddell wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; on 6/27/09 6:35 PM, David Moran at fordmadoxfraud@gmail.com wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; While not exactly science, having gone to more</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 08:35:11 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169949</link>
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<title>Video and subtitles</title>
<description>Hoi, I am at the moment at a book sprint about Open Translation Tools. One of the topics in the books is how to deal with video. Subtitling and dubbin</description>
<pubDate>28 Jun  2009 06:39:44 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/169943</link>
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