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All rights reserved. 25 Nov 2009 01:34:03 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Andrew Garrett <agarrett@wikimedia.org>wrote: > > On 25/11/2009, at 12:00 AM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > > > We also 24 Nov 2009 17:35:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183967 On 25/11/2009, at 12:00 AM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > We also might want to look into policy overhauls to reduce barriers > to contribution. > ____ 24 Nov 2009 16:39:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183966 We also might want to look into policy overhauls to reduce barriers to contribution. ________________________________ From: David Moran <fordmado 24 Nov 2009 16:00:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183958 Samuel Klein wrote: > I've been working with swahili-speaking students over the past week > introducing them to Wikipedia (as part of an article-writi 24 Nov 2009 14:37:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183957 I agree that we need to recover from overly strict policies, treating newbies the same way we treat veteran editors, and a sense that there's no downs 24 Nov 2009 14:21:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183956 Thanks for pointing out the interview and explaining the most current research Felipe. Most helpful! Steven Walling On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:47 AM, 24 Nov 2009 10:16:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183928 Reminder: Strategic Planning office hours will happen at: 04:00-05:00 UTC, Wednesday 25 November. That is: Tuesday, 8-9 pm PDT Wednesday, 11pm - 12 24 Nov 2009 08:54:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183927 I actually like this idea, a LOT. The main page basically poses Wikipedia as a warehouse of content, which is fine, it is that, but also does little 24 Nov 2009 05:53:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183921 Hello folks, this is a suggestion to encourage more edits. It is both a topic for every of our projects but also of most of the foundation projects 24 Nov 2009 05:38:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183920 Felipe Ortega wrote: > The problem with it is that it's difficult to contact former editors/admins, once they abandon the project definitely (in my ex 24 Nov 2009 02:47:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183917 --- El mar, 24/11/09, Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@eunet.rs> escribió: > De: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@eunet.rs> > Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on W 24 Nov 2009 02:44:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183916 Felipe Ortega wrote: > Wikipedia just entered a new phase. Our responsibility (as long-time Wikipedia researchers) is to find out the causes (not nece 23 Nov 2009 23:50:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183913 --- El lun, 23/11/09, Andrew Lih <andrew.lih@gmail.com> escribió: > De: Andrew Lih <andrew.lih@gmail.com> > Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikiped 23 Nov 2009 17:38:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183907 --- El lun, 23/11/09, Steven Walling <steven.walling@gmail.com> escribió: > De: Steven Walling <steven.walling@gmail.com> > > I didn't see any of th 23 Nov 2009 17:31:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183906 On Nov 23, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > > People who want to help do some of this work should engage on the > strategy wiki: there's a ta 23 Nov 2009 14:06:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183898 One essential problem is that once Wikipedia embraced the multipage multimedia-heavy Encarta style as what makes for a "good" article -- without a rad 23 Nov 2009 14:05:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183897 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Sue Gardner <susanpgardner@gmail.com> wrote: > > People who want to help do some of this work should engage on the st 23 Nov 2009 13:57:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183896 I agree with you, David. The usability work is a necessary precondition to bringing in new editors. It's essential for us to remove obvious, simple u 23 Nov 2009 13:54:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183894 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM, David Moran <fordmadoxfraud@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think a lot of attention is paid to the way the technical interf 23 Nov 2009 13:49:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183895 Michael Snow wrote: > Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >> books are available for years the copy of >> the day may be available in a library, but how about 23 Nov 2009 13:40:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183893 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@telus.net> wrote: > Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) wrote: >> If we're going to have a thread, let's 23 Nov 2009 12:54:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183892 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) wrote: > If we're going to have a thread, let's focus on the substance of the > article. This is a digression. > > This se 23 Nov 2009 12:29:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183891 Getting back to the content of the article: I get that inclusionism vs deletionism is a tired way to talk about divisions between camps of editors, an 23 Nov 2009 12:28:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183890 altally wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nathan wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> >>> Hoi, >>> 23 Nov 2009 12:16:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183876 We started a new regular feature on the strategy wiki: Question of the week. Every Monday, the page will highlight some data and open up a question fo 23 Nov 2009 12:03:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183875 So the content of the WSJ article may be behind a paywall, but I just did a cursory search of the researcher's 2009 Ph.D. thesis which was a quantitat 23 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183874 Gerard Meijssen wrote: > books are available for years the copy of > the day may be available in a library, but how about last years copy of the > WSJ 23 Nov 2009 11:30:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183873 If we're going to have a thread, let's focus on the substance of the article. This is a digression. Newyorkbrad On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Ge 23 Nov 2009 11:26:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183872 Hoi, I wonder if the WSJ can be found in the British Australian Canadian New Zealand .... libraries ... also books are available for years the copy of 23 Nov 2009 11:04:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183870 altally wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM, William Pietri <william@scissor.com> wrote >> A reporter pal points out to me that the Wall Street 23 Nov 2009 10:52:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183869 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi. > Maybe. However the request was to make available article 23 Nov 2009 10:24:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183871 And the WSJ can be found in essentially every library in the English speaking world also. There is thus a free way to verify--much more easily than 99 23 Nov 2009 10:07:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183862 Hoi. Maybe. However the request was to make available articles that are not freely available.. Posting them somewhere so that people who do not have a 23 Nov 2009 09:55:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183861 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gerard Meijssen > <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> 23 Nov 2009 09:44:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183860 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > Given that the WSJ is making a lot of noise about moving 23 Nov 2009 09:41:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183859 By that logic, a book, which costs money to buy, would never be a "verifiable source" either. We might *prefer* to cite free (gratis) accessible sour 23 Nov 2009 09:41:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183858 Hoi, Given that the WSJ is making a lot of noise about moving all its content behind a paywall and is planning to remove its headlines from the "pryin 23 Nov 2009 09:20:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183857 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM, William Pietri <william@scissor.com> wrote: > A reporter pal points out to me that the Wall Street Journal has a > 23 Nov 2009 09:18:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183856 A reporter pal points out to me that the Wall Street Journal has a front page story on Wikipedia: "Volunteers Log Off as Wikipedia Ages". Alas, it' 23 Nov 2009 08:57:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183855 In a message dated 11/22/2009 10:48:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, smolensk@eunet.rs writes: > Digitize them and publish them on the Internet, but > 22 Nov 2009 23:10:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183829 Ray Saintonge wrote: > At some point we need to be able to say to our users: "We have a high > degree of confidence that this [specific] material is 22 Nov 2009 22:48:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183828 On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek@gmail.com> wrote: <snip> > So, the replacing current ugly-copyvio-template -> OTRS scheme 22 Nov 2009 16:41:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183823 2009/11/22 Robert Rohde <rarohde@gmail.com>: > For some applications (though not necessarily all), it might help if > the OTRS process was replaced by 22 Nov 2009 16:27:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183822 For some applications (though not necessarily all), it might help if the OTRS process was replaced by a standard online permission form rather than ha 22 Nov 2009 14:54:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183817 Milos Rancic wrote: > But, during the couple of previous days I've got one more contribution > to our Monument. This kind of contributions make me to 22 Nov 2009 14:24:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183816 Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > I see a lot of well meaning people responding here, but maybe its time to go back to the basics. No non free pictures, perio 22 Nov 2009 13:34:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183812 2009/11/22 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>: > Keep in mind that this is not about non-free content, this is not > about a possibility that professor 22 Nov 2009 12:19:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183802 On 11/22/2009 05:57 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/11/22 Judson Dunn <cohesion@sleepyhead.org>: > >> And in defense of the bureaucratic morons, you mi 22 Nov 2009 12:13:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183801 2009/11/22 Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd@yahoo.com>: > I see a lot of well meaning people responding here, but maybe its time to go back to the basics. 22 Nov 2009 12:09:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183800 I see a lot of well meaning people responding here, but maybe its time to go back to the basics. No non free pictures, period. No more bureaucracy plu 22 Nov 2009 11:38:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183799 2009/11/22 Judson Dunn <cohesion@sleepyhead.org>: > And in defense of the bureaucratic morons, you might be surprised the > number of super positive 22 Nov 2009 08:57:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183790 On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek@gmail.com> wrote: > Very simply. If an organisation is going to make a project it will get > 22 Nov 2009 08:44:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183789 2009/11/22 Ray Saintonge <saintonge@telus.net>: > Tomasz Ganicz wrote: >> The >> idea is to create a "Staging Area" - a wiki (or non-wiki) project >> 22 Nov 2009 03:05:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183777 On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad@gmail.com> wrote: > http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/7th/081296p.pdf I 22 Nov 2009 00:15:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183775 Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > The > idea is to create a "Staging Area" - a wiki (or non-wiki) project > which is not public and can be used for media and met 21 Nov 2009 18:04:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183766 http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/7th/081296p.pdf This is a Seventh Circuit case decided earlier this month dealing with the copyright status 21 Nov 2009 12:33:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183758 David Moran wrote: > Yeah, what Finne said. Thanks for the straw man, though. > > FMF Lets do this in *Simple English* style. Dead horse. Stick. Do 21 Nov 2009 06:45:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183738 2009/11/21 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>: > A year or so ago I realized that it is better to make an auxiliary > site to Wikipedia [in Serbian] tha 21 Nov 2009 05:47:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183734 A year or so ago I realized that it is better to make an auxiliary site to Wikipedia [in Serbian] than to spend a lot of time in explaining to student 21 Nov 2009 05:21:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183733 New LSS, special moderated f-l edition. Let's see if the next edition of LSS is easier still :) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archiv 20 Nov 2009 09:44:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183705 Forgive my poor math (in addition to my poor self-proofreading skills) but 3:00 PM Pacific time is actually 2300 and not 2100. Office hours are in 1: 19 Nov 2009 13:18:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183659 Jon, after rereading my post, I apologize for the snappy tone. I don't think you deliberately tried to bend the facts, probably were just a bit lo 19 Nov 2009 09:36:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183631 Jon Davis: > Meta already has a propsosal for a "Wikitainment" > ( <http://wmf4.me/EFf2D> http://wmf4.me/EFf2D ) which goes to show that the WMF > c 19 Nov 2009 08:36:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183630 On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:15 AM, David Goodman <dgoodmanny@gmail.com> wrote: > Even if the license change applied only to material started after the > 19 Nov 2009 08:05:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183622 Even if the license change applied only to material started after the present, it would make future collaboration possible David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S 19 Nov 2009 07:15:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183621 Laura, Thanks for your work on the proposal. I hadn't looked at fanhistory in any detail before, and enjoyed discovering it's lifecycle through your 18 Nov 2009 20:11:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183596 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Laura Hale <laura@fanhistory.com> wrote: > John Vandenberg wrote: >>Users don't always appreciate being documented on 18 Nov 2009 18:51:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183594 Rather than reply to multiple posts, I'm just going to reply to several all at once. As a cavaet, when I say our in the context of Fan History, I am 18 Nov 2009 18:09:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183583 Hi Parul, The full report is fascinating. I can't wait to see the full videos once they've been annotated by a few viewers! Something I've been wre 18 Nov 2009 18:03:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183582 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jon Davis <wiki@konsoletek.com> wrote: > I don't think that the WMF "acquiring" FanHistory would make them a > compet 18 Nov 2009 16:39:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183581 Hi all! The Wikipedia Usability Initiative conducted an evaluative study of our progress thus far in mid-October. Highlights are posted to the blog 18 Nov 2009 15:47:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183574 A fundraising update, forwarded from internal with Rand's permission. These regular updates are great (you could start your own topical wiki 'zine wi 18 Nov 2009 15:36:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183573 I apologise for top posting but I wish to respond to your post in full while making the absolute show stopper clear. You wiki is not under a free lice 18 Nov 2009 15:16:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183572 Right now I'm just going to quote a bit from the "General Policy" page of the Huntsville-Madison County Public Library system in Alabama. Not because 18 Nov 2009 14:45:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183571 There are a number of problems with these statements. One - the Foundation exists to host and legally protect the encyclopedia, not direct it in all 18 Nov 2009 14:38:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183570 +1. Not sure what I can add to that, other than I agree completely. We have great nuance in our debates about copyright and take consummate care when 18 Nov 2009 14:13:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183555 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Sage Ross <ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote: > So the question is, what difference does it make for a wiki and it 18 Nov 2009 14:13:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183554 The Foundation, Commons and the English Wikipedia typically address problems associated with minors by refusing to engage as a group. Some individuals 18 Nov 2009 13:49:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183553 Gregory Kohs <thekohser@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for confirming your opinion that the Foundation cannot and > should not find within its means to 18 Nov 2009 13:41:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183595 At first glance, my inclination would be recycle bin the proposal, but after reading comments, I think there is some merit to the proposal. I would su 18 Nov 2009 13:23:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183552 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Jon Davis <wiki@konsoletek.com> wrote: > I don't think that the WMF "acquiring" FanHistory would make them a > compet 18 Nov 2009 12:40:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183551 I don't think that the WMF "acquiring" FanHistory would make them a competitor with Wikia, after all, Meta already has a propsosal for a "Wikitainment 18 Nov 2009 12:15:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183533 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Laura Hale <laura@fanhistory.com> wrote: > Fan History would be a good fit for helping the Wikimedia Foundation in > 18 Nov 2009 12:00:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183532 While Laura kinda forgot it, for those that don't feel like scrolling and cant operate google. FanHistory can be found at http://www.fanhistory.com/ 18 Nov 2009 11:58:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183531 Why the heck not? My only concern would be that the topic of fan history might be a bit specialized by itself. Why not call it "Wikitribes" and exte 18 Nov 2009 11:56:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183530 To Boonen & Moran: Thank you for confirming your opinion that the Foundation cannot and should not find within its means to even formulate some recom 18 Nov 2009 11:33:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183529 Erik suggested I post this to the list for further discussion. Sincerely, Laura Hale *Introduction* Fan History Wiki is a project dedicated to d 18 Nov 2009 10:53:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183528 Yeah, what Finne said. Thanks for the straw man, though. FMF On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Finne Boonen <hennar@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, N 18 Nov 2009 10:52:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183527 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 19:09, Gregory Kohs <thekohser@gmail.com> wrote: > Geni, you (and others) seem to place a lot of stock in "parent > responsibi 18 Nov 2009 10:24:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183526 Geni, you (and others) seem to place a lot of stock in "parent responsibility": http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-November/05609 18 Nov 2009 10:09:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183520 Andrew Garrett <agarrett@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I'm not sure where you get the idea that it's somehow inappropriate > for minors to be viewing or wor 18 Nov 2009 08:05:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183519 This discussion seems to have branched out somewhat. Peter's concern was that underage admins shouldn't be involved in the maintenance of sexually exp 18 Nov 2009 06:15:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183511 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Delirium <delirium@hackish.org> wrote: > If the > ultimate source of the content is elsewhere, regardless of what > e 18 Nov 2009 06:11:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183510 There are two possible discussions: 1) a discussion about the legal requirements - please leave this to the legal experts. I'm confident that Mike Go 18 Nov 2009 05:08:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183509 George Herbert wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Anthony <wikimail@inbox.org> wrote: > >> So state it as much as you want. The WMF is a pu 18 Nov 2009 04:58:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183508 2009/11/18 private musings <thepmaccount@gmail.com>: > Ray, > > you seem to me to be essentially discussing the 'users' perspective on > wikipedia - w 18 Nov 2009 04:55:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183507 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Anthony <wikimail@inbox.org> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@telus.net> wrote: >> 18 Nov 2009 01:05:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183503 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@telus.net> wrote: > As is often stated WMF is an ISP, and not a publisher. Stating it ofte 17 Nov 2009 21:27:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183497 Ray, you seem to me to be essentially discussing the 'users' perspective on wikipedia - whilst it's my view that the foundation, and the projects cou 17 Nov 2009 20:35:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183496 Andrew Garrett wrote: > On 16/11/2009, at 1:04 AM, private musings wrote: > >> On Wikipedia Review, 'tarantino' pointed out that on WMF projects, > 17 Nov 2009 19:05:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/183495