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<title>Re: List moderation</title>
<description>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Brion Vibber &amp;lt;brion@pobox.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m taking the liberty of putting foundation-l on temporary moderation. &amp;gt; Seri</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 11:30:50 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182862</link>
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<title>List moderation</title>
<description>I&amp;#039;m taking the liberty of putting foundation-l on temporary moderation. Seriously, guys -- take the &amp;quot;who&amp;#039;s a bigger jerk&amp;quot; threads offlist. The regul</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 04:46:49 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182828</link>
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<title>foundation-l foundation</title>
<description>Dear Foundation-l, There seems that there is a lot of discussion about foundation-l on foundation-l that should be made available to a more meta commu</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 04:42:01 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182827</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:05 AM, David Goodman &amp;lt;dgoodmanny@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; We need, as does every voluntary society, the involvement of many &amp;gt; ord</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 04:41:44 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182826</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>2009/11/8 &amp;lt;WJhonson@aol.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; The reason I asked for no personal attacks is because the above, by you, &amp;gt; sounds very much like : &amp;quot;You are the prob</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 03:09:29 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182817</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>This thread should be an illustrative example in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect .  - d. ________________________________</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 03:06:00 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182816</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/8/2009 2:06:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, gerard.meijssen@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; Your notion that you &amp;quot;deserve&amp;quot; at least as much</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 02:50:58 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182815</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>Hoi, This was not meant as an attack. What I intended to do is rebut your arguments. When this is considered as a personal attack, it means that it is</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 02:40:52 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182814</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/8/2009 2:06:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, gerard.meijssen@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; When you learn from your research that we have a</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 02:13:57 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182799</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>Hoi, Please do your research.. but do not expect that people did not look at the numbers before. So the person that most needs to be convinced is you</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 02:06:03 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182798</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:13 AM, &amp;lt;WJhonson@aol.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Is there a way to create a chart showing how many messages each poster has &amp;gt; posted to t</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 01:09:42 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182797</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>I will in the next few days, create a list which shows who, each month, has posted the most messages to the list. Or perhaps the top few. I was su</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 00:57:29 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182795</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>Gerard may post quite a bit, but in general his posts serve a purpose. Many people on this list seem to write just to see their words, that is to say,</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 00:40:34 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182794</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/8/2009 12:30:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, gerard.meijssen@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; Now if you think that you need to &amp;gt; pass judgem</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 00:38:45 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182793</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>Hoi, If you want statistics, you do not have to google ... there are our own statistics ... http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/_PowerPosters</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 00:29:33 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182792</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>There is already a statistics page, http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Index.html skype: node.ue  On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:13 AM, &amp;lt;WJhonson</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 00:28:39 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182791</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/8/2009 12:12:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, phoebe.wiki@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; Many of these emails have a bit &amp;gt; of a hostile tone</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 00:15:19 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182790</link>
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<title>Re: the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/7/2009 11:28:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, gerard.meijssen@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; Please read it as an appeal to reply to foundat</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 00:13:18 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182789</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:27 PM, &amp;lt;WJhonson@aol.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; In a message dated 11/7/2009 9:13:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, &amp;gt; thomas.dalton@gmail.com</description>
<pubDate>08 Nov  2009 00:12:32 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182788</link>
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<title>the use of foundation-l</title>
<description>Hoi, I am at the Commons usability conference in Paris. I am not on any internal mailing lists. It has become painfully obvious that as a consequence</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 23:27:15 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182787</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/7/2009 9:13:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, thomas.dalton@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; And how do you answer them? Based on your experien</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 22:27:48 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182786</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/7/2009 8:54:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, william@scissor.com writes:  &amp;gt; But as far as I know, they aren&amp;#039;t actually imposing an</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 22:19:03 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182785</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>2009/11/8 William Pietri &amp;lt;william@scissor.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; So people would rather I decided what they are and aren&amp;#039;t interested &amp;gt;&amp;gt; in?</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 21:12:45 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182784</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>2009/11/8 William Pietri &amp;lt;william@scissor.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ignoring emails *is* easy. Anyone that says otherwise is wrong. I do &amp;gt;&amp;gt; not</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 21:08:13 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182783</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt; So people would rather I decided what they are and aren&amp;#039;t interested &amp;gt; in? Surprising... most people I know like to make their</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 21:03:26 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182782</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt; 2009/11/7 William Pietri &amp;lt;william@scissor.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt;  &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Well, you perceive the burden as negligible for them. Have you asked &amp;gt;&amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 20:54:19 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182781</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>I regret having been so unclear as to not have made it obvious that the established forms referred to the Wikipedia formal channels of DR, AfD, and t</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 20:05:33 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182780</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/7/2009 12:44:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, andreengels@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; No, we don&amp;#039;t. We need forces to help the encycloped</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 18:45:20 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182779</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:05 AM, David Goodman &amp;lt;dgoodmanny@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; We &amp;gt; need, thus, the influence of community opinion--expressed opinion,</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 18:44:45 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182778</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>As I interpret what André says, I agree with him: We need, as does every voluntary society, the involvement of many ordinary members in each aspect</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 18:05:22 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182774</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>2009/11/7 Michael Snow &amp;lt;wikipedia@verizon.net&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; This is not a matter of people&amp;#039;s opinions being equally valid, it&amp;#039;s a &amp;gt; matter of their experiences</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 13:37:47 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182764</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt; 2009/11/7 William Pietri &amp;lt;william@scissor.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt;  &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;   &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Yes, I am placing the burden on other</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 13:05:48 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182763</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>2009/11/7 William Pietri &amp;lt;william@scissor.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Yes, I am placing the burden on other people and I&amp;#039;ve explained why: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; The</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 12:43:57 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182761</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:33 PM, &amp;lt;WJhonson@aol.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; In a message dated 11/7/2009 10:56:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, &amp;gt; andreengels@gmail.com w</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 12:43:40 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182762</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt; Yes, I am placing the burden on other people and I&amp;#039;ve explained why: &amp;gt; The burden is negligible for other people. It is signifi</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 12:14:49 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182760</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/7/2009 10:56:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, andreengels@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; We tried that on nl: (although with 1 week rather t</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 11:33:01 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182755</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>2009/11/7 William Pietri &amp;lt;william@scissor.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Hi, Thomas. &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Indeed. My standard advice for people on how to interpret my</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 11:26:41 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182754</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:14 PM, William Pietri &amp;lt;william@scissor.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; That&amp;#039;s not to advocate for either side of this, really. If you really &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 11:25:11 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182753</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Hi, Thomas. Thomas Dalton wrote: &amp;gt; Indeed. My standard advice for people on how to interpret my &amp;gt; text-based messages is this: If in doubt, I don&amp;#039;t m</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 11:14:56 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182752</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM, &amp;lt;wjhonson@aol.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; How about this one. Â Every arrest (read block for 24 hours or longer) must be approved</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 10:55:24 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182751</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>Peter Jacobi wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; The problem I see most, is Wikipedia articles becoming stale. No &amp;gt;&amp;gt; corrections to defects, even those already been identified</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 10:51:58 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182750</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>The problem I see most, is Wikipedia articles becoming stale. No corrections to defects, even those already been identified on talk pages and in maint</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 10:18:07 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182738</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>2009/11/7 &amp;lt;wjhonson@aol.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Isn&amp;#039;t it however Michael true that a plain text message conveys little to no &amp;quot;tone&amp;quot; &amp;gt; I could say the above sente</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 09:45:52 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182737</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>What I&amp;#039;m suggesting is not more bureaucracy. Let me put it this way. Right now we have a system where you are either a worker or a policeman. There i</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 01:29:50 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182704</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Isn&amp;#039;t it however Michael true that a plain text message conveys little to no &amp;quot;tone&amp;quot; I could say the above sentence with anger, with sarcasm, with hope</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 01:20:03 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182703</link>
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<title>new list summary</title>
<description>Oct. 16-31: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2009_October_16-31 and a reminder that these are also posted (for lss2rss) at id</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 00:10:38 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182701</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>Hoi, We do not want more bureacracy, we want to kill of bureacracty and remove the people who are power building for the nuisance that they are... We</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 22:55:47 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182700</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>2009/11/7 Michael Snow &amp;lt;wikipedia@verizon.net&amp;gt;: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Could you explain why you think ignoring emails doesn&amp;#039;t work? It works &amp;gt;&amp;gt; perfectly well for me. &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 19:24:39 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182699</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>wjhonson@aol.com wrote: &amp;gt; Maybe you could explain a little more clearly, how people are &amp;quot;scared&amp;quot; by reading (or just seeing) ten messages on the same</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 19:09:00 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182698</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>&amp;lt;koff koff&amp;gt; Strategy Wiki &amp;lt;koff&amp;gt; All joking aside, there&amp;#039;s a whole task force for community health  dealing with exactly these issues. It&amp;#039;s at http</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 17:13:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>2009/11/7 effe iets anders &amp;lt;effeietsanders@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; I would agree with that &amp;#039;solution&amp;#039; if I would agree with the &amp;quot;delete and &amp;gt; ignore&amp;quot; solution,</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 17:11:58 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182693</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:42 PM, &amp;lt;wjhonson@aol.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Mr Dalton put the counter-argument pretty well when it said, it only takes a second to de</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 17:11:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Maybe you could explain a little more clearly, how people are &amp;quot;scared&amp;quot; by reading (or just seeing) ten messages on the same topic? How does that frig</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 17:01:58 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182691</link>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>I would agree with that &amp;#039;solution&amp;#039; if I would agree with the &amp;quot;delete and ignore&amp;quot; solution, which is, imho, not a solution at all. That is a bit the pr</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 16:31:47 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/182690</link>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>How about this one. Every arrest (read block for 24 hours or longer) must be approved by an &amp;quot;Admin Supervisor&amp;quot; (let&amp;#039;s just call it for now). That Ad</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 15:51:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>That&amp;#039;s right, thats the position of the two sides of this discussion. I don&amp;#039;t know if &amp;quot;scare&amp;quot; is the right word however. I think the argument is some</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 15:42:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Office hours this Friday, November 6</title>
<description>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone! I&amp;#039;m sure with the start of the fundraiser coming, you don&amp;#039;t need to be reminded, but offic</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 15:36:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>&amp;gt; &amp;gt; What actual specific things would you implement to make the project &amp;gt; friendlier? &amp;gt; Say: 1. Welcome new users (re-launch &amp;quot;kindness campaign&amp;quot; - t</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 15:02:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>without wanting to repeat things I just cant state it much more clearly, so let me quote birgitte, who started this specific thread: &amp;quot;Maybe you would</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 14:20:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>Right Gerard, I agree with you completely. Now how do you actually do it? That&amp;#039;s the biggest problem. We can talk about needing to be more friendly.</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 14:14:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>Hoi, It is a sad day when a &amp;quot;report abuse&amp;quot; button is equated with being more friendly. When we want to become more friendly we have to encourage those</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 13:36:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:28:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, effeietsanders@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; except that this happens in many threads and is a</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 12:02:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/6/2009 3:10:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, putevod@mccme.ru writes:  &amp;gt; To realize that (almost) all articles about computer game</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 11:55:30 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>except that this happens in many threads and is a general problem coming back allt he time. eia 2009/11/4 &amp;lt;WJhonson@aol.com&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Dominating it&amp;quot; Phoe</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 06:27:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>&amp;gt; I think is is most excellent write-up of my thoughts. Wikipedia is no &amp;gt; longer &amp;gt; &amp;quot;new and exciting&amp;quot;... Internet&amp;#039;s attention span is short &amp;amp; people a</description>
<pubDate>06 Nov  2009 03:32:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>But Renata how do you mandate a friendlier community? How about, on the sidebar, we have a link for &amp;quot;Report Abuse&amp;quot;. Right now don&amp;#039;t we sort of leave</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 14:16:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>I think is is most excellent write-up of my thoughts. Wikipedia is no longer &amp;quot;new and exciting&amp;quot;... Internet&amp;#039;s attention span is short &amp;amp; people are loo</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 13:53:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>2009/11/5 David Gerard &amp;lt;dgerard@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; 2009/11/5 Andrew Gray &amp;lt;andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk&amp;gt;: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; We did astonishingly, staggeringly, unbelievably,</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 13:46:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>2009/11/5 Andrew Gray &amp;lt;andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; We did astonishingly, staggeringly, unbelievably, improbably well with &amp;gt; Wikipedia. Failing to r</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 13:46:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>Robert Rohde wrote: &amp;gt; What resources? With only ~1.5M hits per month, EN Wikinews&amp;#039; share of &amp;gt; the tech / internet services budget probably only comes</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 13:37:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>2009/11/5 Peter Coombe &amp;lt;thewub.wiki@googlemail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; Wikinews has it&amp;#039;s problems, and is often overshadowed by it&amp;#039;s bigger &amp;gt; brother Wikipedia. But i</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 12:48:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>According to the Wikinews stats page ( http://wmf4.me/3229 ), the English Wikinews received 7.9 million page views in October 2009. Compare that to 5</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 12:03:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>In a message dated 11/5/2009 11:29:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, rarohde@gmail.com writes:  &amp;gt; In a $6 million budget, I&amp;#039;d honestly be disappointed if</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 11:45:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: New Fundraising Staff: Megan Hernandez</title>
<description>On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Robert Rohde &amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Just out of curiosity, is a degree in Human Development all about how &amp;gt;&amp;gt; w</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 11:37:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>2009/11/5 &amp;lt;WJhonson@aol.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; By failing I mean that it never achieved any sort of siginificant presence. &amp;gt; Â When Wikinews was started it was, im</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 11:31:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:55 AM, &amp;lt;WJhonson@aol.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;lt;snip&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Better to re-focus attention on those projects which are successful, than &amp;gt; have</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 11:28:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>By failing I mean that it never achieved any sort of siginificant presence.  When Wikinews was started it was, imho, to shunt news off the main proje</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 10:55:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: New Fundraising Staff: Megan Hernandez</title>
<description>On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Bod Notbod &amp;lt;bodnotbod@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;lt;snip&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Just out of curiosity, is a degree in Human Development all about h</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 10:41:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: New Fundraising Staff: Megan Hernandez</title>
<description>Welcome Megan! _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 10:18:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: New Fundraising Staff: Megan Hernandez</title>
<description>On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Rand Montoya &amp;lt;rmontoya@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; The WMF fundraising team will have a new member starting today: Megan</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 10:06:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: New Fundraising Staff: Megan Hernandez</title>
<description>Welcome, Megan! As Anthere says - you&amp;#039;ve picked an excellent week to join. SJ (who had the best meal of the past year near Cuzco) On Thu, Nov 5, 20</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 10:02:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>New Fundraising Staff: Megan Hernandez</title>
<description>Hey All-- The WMF fundraising team will have a new member starting today: Megan Hernandez. Megan recently graduated from UC San Diego with a degree</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 09:42:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>There is a big difference between failing and simply not having succeeded yet.  -- â-³ â„±ajro â-³ Lernu! - http://www.lernu.net __________________</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 07:51:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>Wikinews has it&amp;#039;s problems, and is often overshadowed by it&amp;#039;s bigger brother Wikipedia. But it certainly hasn&amp;#039;t failed. There&amp;#039;s a respectable amount o</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 07:31:23 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Jimmy Wales is a winner of 2009 Nokia Foundation Award</title>
<description>I feel a rebuttal would be in order here. But... meh. 2009/11/5 Svip &amp;lt;svippy@gmail.com&amp;gt; &amp;gt; 2009/11/5 Anthony &amp;lt;wikimail@inbox.org&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; On Thu, Nov 5,</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 07:25:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Jimmy Wales is a winner of 2009 Nokia Foundation Award</title>
<description>2009/11/5 Anthony &amp;lt;wikimail@inbox.org&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Svip &amp;lt;svippy@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Unless you mean the Nobel Prize in Literat</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 06:58:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>The usual solution to this in organizations and in human society more generally is compartmentalization with the concomitant development of formal an</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 06:55:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Jimmy Wales is a winner of 2009 Nokia Foundation Award</title>
<description>On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Svip &amp;lt;svippy@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Unless you mean the Nobel Prize in Literature, at which point I do not &amp;gt; think Wikipe</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 06:52:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Jimmy Wales is a winner of 2009 Nokia Foundation Award</title>
<description>2009/11/5 Mohamed Magdy &amp;lt;mohamed.m.k@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jiri Hofman &amp;lt;hofmanj@aldebaran.cz&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Congratulation! &amp;gt;&amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 06:30:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Jimmy Wales is a winner of 2009 Nokia Foundation Award</title>
<description>On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Mohamed Magdy &amp;lt;mohamed.m.k@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jiri Hofman &amp;lt;hofmanj@aldebaran.cz&amp;gt; wr</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 05:41:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Jimmy Wales is a winner of 2009 Nokia Foundation Award</title>
<description>On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jiri Hofman &amp;lt;hofmanj@aldebaran.cz&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Congratulation! &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS17</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 04:19:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Robert Rohde &amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: [.snipping lots of good stuff, which however would make this message rather</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 03:27:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Wikinews has not failed</title>
<description>In my opinion, Wikinews may use for some small community&amp;#039;s news. 2009/11/5 Robert Rohde &amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt; &amp;gt; On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:02 PM, &amp;lt;wjho</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 02:42:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [Fwd: Annual Fundraiser starts November 10th, UTC]</title>
<description>Nice work! Hope that can work very well! 2009/11/5 Erik Moeller &amp;lt;erik@wikimedia.org&amp;gt; &amp;gt; 2009/11/4 Robert Rohde &amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I would also</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 02:33:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>Let me try to reformulate it in a different way. The statement is that in Wikimedia we have (i) low signal-to-noise ratio; (ii) noise grows faster th</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 01:42:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Jimmy Wales is a winner of 2009 Nokia Foundation Award</title>
<description>Congratulation! http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS179904+04-Nov-2009+PRN20091104 Best regards, Jiri  ________________________________</description>
<pubDate>05 Nov  2009 00:39:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Growth vs. maintenance</title>
<description>On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Bod Notbod &amp;lt;bodnotbod@gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Take a look at: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Questions_that_need_a</description>
<pubDate>04 Nov  2009 17:50:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Wikimedia draws a disproportionate number of two types of people: those with some antisocial tendencies, and those with an unusual belief in various n</description>
<pubDate>04 Nov  2009 17:25:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?</title>
<description>Reasonable people in general have a natural tendency to maintain order without the need for police action. We all live in communities where chaos is</description>
<pubDate>04 Nov  2009 16:46:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: [Fwd: Annual Fundraiser starts November 10th, UTC]</title>
<description>2009/11/4 Robert Rohde &amp;lt;rarohde@gmail.com&amp;gt;: &amp;gt; I would also hope we remember the biggest lesson of 2008.  The &amp;gt; personal appeal, http://wikimediafounda</description>
<pubDate>04 Nov  2009 16:45:13 -0800</pubDate>
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