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Chris at 040501

Mar 6, 2008, 1:26 AM

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Hotmail and other similar email providers

In all of my tests with HotMail, (and Yahoo, MSN etc), I found that you
will only get your emails directly into the inbox of the HotMail user if
they have already put you in their whitelist, either by physically adding
you, or by then having the option of "add all people that I email to" (or
similarly titled) enabled.

Do the tests from others bear this out as well ?

Chris.

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rob.macgregor at gmail

Mar 6, 2008, 5:51 AM

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Re: Hotmail and other similar email providers [In reply to]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Chris <Chris [at] 040501> wrote:
> In all of my tests with HotMail, (and Yahoo, MSN etc), I found that you
> will only get your emails directly into the inbox of the HotMail user if
> they have already put you in their whitelist, either by physically adding
> you, or by then having the option of "add all people that I email to" (or
> similarly titled) enabled.
>
> Do the tests from others bear this out as well ?

No. Emails to my hotmail account from my other accounts are delivered
into the inbox (except for the odd situation where the email never
arrives, a problem Hotmail is well known for). None of my other
accounts are in my "Safe senders" list.

I do have the interesting problem that mails to this list are marked
as spam by Gmail ;)

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doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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hostmaster at uuism

Mar 6, 2008, 6:04 AM

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RE: Hotmail and other similar email providers [In reply to]

No.

That has not been my experience.

I have followed the recommended procedures at AOL, Yahoo, and Hotmail/MSN. They add my IP Addresses to a global Whitelist. After that process, it is the message content of the email that determines whether it ends up in their inbox or their Bulk folder.

Jim
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From: postmaster [at] uuism [postmaster [at] uuism] On Behalf Of Chris [Chris [at] 040501]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:26 AM
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Subject: [spf-help] Hotmail and other similar email providers

In all of my tests with HotMail, (and Yahoo, MSN etc), I found that you
will only get your emails directly into the inbox of the HotMail user if
they have already put you in their whitelist, either by physically adding
you, or by then having the option of "add all people that I email to" (or
similarly titled) enabled.

Do the tests from others bear this out as well ?

Chris.

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Chris at 040501

Mar 12, 2008, 12:59 PM

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RE: Hotmail and other similar email providers [In reply to]

Many thanks Jim, I stand corrected as I didn't know about global
whitelists for these 3 ISP's for example - do you know of any websites, or
any way that I can find out more about these whitelists for HotMail, Yahoo
and MSN for example please ?

Any help appreciated.

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hermann [mailto:hostmaster [at] uuism]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:05 PM
To: spf-help [at] v2
Subject: RE: [spf-help] Hotmail and other similar email providers

No.

That has not been my experience.

I have followed the recommended procedures at AOL, Yahoo, and Hotmail/MSN.
They add my IP Addresses to a global Whitelist. After that process, it is
the message content of the email that determines whether it ends up in
their inbox or their Bulk folder.

Jim
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From: postmaster [at] uuism [postmaster [at] uuism] On Behalf Of Chris
[Chris [at] 040501]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:26 AM
To: spf-help [at] v2
Subject: [spf-help] Hotmail and other similar email providers

In all of my tests with HotMail, (and Yahoo, MSN etc), I found that you
will only get your emails directly into the inbox of the HotMail user if
they have already put you in their whitelist, either by physically adding
you, or by then having the option of "add all people that I email to" (or
similarly titled) enabled.

Do the tests from others bear this out as well ?

Chris.

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Chris at 040501

Mar 12, 2008, 1:24 PM

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RE: Hotmail and other similar email providers [In reply to]

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor [at] gmail]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:51 PM
To: spf-help [at] v2
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Hotmail and other similar email providers

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Chris <Chris [at] 040501> wrote:
> In all of my tests with HotMail, (and Yahoo, MSN etc), I found that
> you will only get your emails directly into the inbox of the HotMail
> user if they have already put you in their whitelist, either by
> physically adding you, or by then having the option of "add all
> people that I email to" (or similarly titled) enabled.
>
> Do the tests from others bear this out as well ?

No. Emails to my hotmail account from my other accounts are delivered
into the inbox (except for the odd situation where the email never
arrives, a problem Hotmail is well known for). None of my other accounts
are in my "Safe senders" list.

Rob MacGregor

==

Thanks Rob, it's useful to get a few views on this.

To achieve the above, did you, like Jim, ensure that you were added to
their whitelists ?

Chris.

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rob.macgregor at gmail

Mar 12, 2008, 2:28 PM

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Re: Hotmail and other similar email providers [In reply to]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Chris <Chris [at] 040501> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Rob, it's useful to get a few views on this.
>
> To achieve the above, did you, like Jim, ensure that you were added to
> their whitelists ?

Nope, all I've done is set up SPF and DKIM. Having said that, even
before that my mails were generally getting through (I say generally
because every so often one would be accepted by Hotmail's MX servers
but never delivered to my Hotmail mailbox, which seems to be a common
complaint).

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Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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Chris at 040501

Mar 29, 2008, 7:15 AM

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RE: Hotmail and other similar email providers [In reply to]

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:rob.macgregor [at] gmail]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:28 PM
To: spf-help [at] v2
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Hotmail and other similar email providers

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Chris <Chris [at] 040501> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Rob, it's useful to get a few views on this.
>
> To achieve the above, did you, like Jim, ensure that you were added
> to their whitelists ?

Nope, all I've done is set up SPF and DKIM. Having said that, even before
that my mails were generally getting through (I say generally because
every so often one would be accepted by Hotmail's MX servers but never
delivered to my Hotmail mailbox, which seems to be a common complaint).

--
Rob MacGregor

==

Just had a chance to complete some more testing and find that on a 'fresh'
Hotmail acct, emails from me would go straight to the junk mail folder ? ?

Chris.

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