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jason.juarez at gmail

Sep 22, 2007, 8:12 PM

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hotmail.

hi,

i am new on the list, and i write looking for some hints as to what's
wrong with my mail configuration: all incoming and outgoing mails to
hotmail aren't being delivered.
i contacted mirosoft sender id, and the postmaster said the domain
names hosted on the hostname (kin.mundoposible.org) don't have spf,
and even though i added it, dnsreport says it's doesn't have one. i
added the following: "v=spf1 a mx -all"

the domain names in the server are now receiving emails from hotmail
(this was after changing config in exim), but still can't send any
mails to hotmail: they immediately bounce. neither domains or ip's are
blacklisted as spammers. another thing is that mail sent from
individual domains appear as if being sent by the hostname itself.

any help would be appreciated.

Jay

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spf.pobox at logicalsolutns

Sep 22, 2007, 11:31 PM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

I recently had an issue with HOTMAIL and they indicated that I had to
include my IP in the spf record.

They were accepting mail, with no error messages, but they were not
delivering it.

Once I added the IP address to the SPF record, the mail began going through.

Once again, microsoft sucks.

-john


At 10:12 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote:
>hi,
>
>i am new on the list, and i write looking for some hints as to what's
>wrong with my mail configuration: all incoming and outgoing mails to
>hotmail aren't being delivered.
>i contacted mirosoft sender id, and the postmaster said the domain
>names hosted on the hostname (kin.mundoposible.org) don't have spf,
>and even though i added it, dnsreport says it's doesn't have one. i
>added the following: "v=spf1 a mx -all"
>
>the domain names in the server are now receiving emails from hotmail
>(this was after changing config in exim), but still can't send any
>mails to hotmail: they immediately bounce. neither domains or ip's are
>blacklisted as spammers. another thing is that mail sent from
>individual domains appear as if being sent by the hostname itself.
>
>any help would be appreciated.
>
>Jay
>
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spf.pobox at logicalsolutns

Sep 22, 2007, 11:36 PM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

Followup:

Of course the really funny thing was.. I only added the numeric IP to
the SPF record for my mail server, but once I did that, all the
domains that I host began going through to hotmail.

Coincidence? perhaps.

Microsoft would not give me any help at all other than to repeatedly
point to their website, which was useless.

-john

*****************

I recently had an issue with HOTMAIL and they indicated that I had to
include my IP in the spf record.

They were accepting mail, with no error messages, but they were not
delivering it.

Once I added the IP address to the SPF record, the mail began going through.

Once again, microsoft sucks.

-john


At 10:12 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote:
>hi,
>
>i am new on the list, and i write looking for some hints as to what's
>wrong with my mail configuration: all incoming and outgoing mails to
>hotmail aren't being delivered.
>i contacted mirosoft sender id, and the postmaster said the domain
>names hosted on the hostname (kin.mundoposible.org) don't have spf,
>and even though i added it, dnsreport says it's doesn't have one. i
>added the following: "v=spf1 a mx -all"
>
>the domain names in the server are now receiving emails from hotmail
>(this was after changing config in exim), but still can't send any
>mails to hotmail: they immediately bounce. neither domains or ip's are
>blacklisted as spammers. another thing is that mail sent from
>individual domains appear as if being sent by the hostname itself.
>
>any help would be appreciated.
>
>Jay
>
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spf.pobox at logicalsolutns

Sep 22, 2007, 11:40 PM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

This was the gist of what they sent me for 'help:



Hello John,

We have identified that messages from your IP 68.191.197.210 are
being filtered based on the recommendations of the SmartScreen
filter. SmartScreen is the spam filtering technology developed and
operated by Microsoft. SmartScreen is built around the technology of
machine learning. SmartScreen's filters are trained to recognize
what is spam and what isn't spam. In short, we filter incoming
emails that look like spam. I am not able to go into any specific
details about what these filters specifically entail, as this would
render them useless.


Please confirm that your emails comply with MSN Hotmail's technical
standards. This information can be found
at:
<http://advertising.msn.com/adproducts/Email_TechStd.asp>http://postmaster.live.com/Guidelines.aspx



blah blah blah.


-john



***************************
Followup:

Of course the really funny thing was.. I only added the numeric IP to
the SPF record for my mail server, but once I did that, all the
domains that I host began going through to hotmail.

Coincidence? perhaps.

Microsoft would not give me any help at all other than to repeatedly
point to their website, which was useless.

-john

*****************

I recently had an issue with HOTMAIL and they indicated that I had to
include my IP in the spf record.

They were accepting mail, with no error messages, but they were not
delivering it.

Once I added the IP address to the SPF record, the mail began going through.

Once again, microsoft sucks.

-john


At 10:12 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote:
>hi,
>
>i am new on the list, and i write looking for some hints as to what's
>wrong with my mail configuration: all incoming and outgoing mails to
>hotmail aren't being delivered.
>i contacted mirosoft sender id, and the postmaster said the domain
>names hosted on the hostname (kin.mundoposible.org) don't have spf,
>and even though i added it, dnsreport says it's doesn't have one. i
>added the following: "v=spf1 a mx -all"
>
>the domain names in the server are now receiving emails from hotmail
>(this was after changing config in exim), but still can't send any
>mails to hotmail: they immediately bounce. neither domains or ip's are
>blacklisted as spammers. another thing is that mail sent from
>individual domains appear as if being sent by the hostname itself.
>
>any help would be appreciated.
>
>Jay
>
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steve at teamITS

Sep 23, 2007, 10:17 AM

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RE: hotmail. [In reply to]

jason juarez wrote on 9/22/2007 10:12:23 PM:

>all incoming and outgoing mails to
>hotmail aren't being delivered.

http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Hotmail_and_Message_Deletion

> i contacted mirosoft sender id, and the postmaster said the domain
> names hosted on the hostname (kin.mundoposible.org) don't have spf,
> and even though i added it, dnsreport says it's doesn't have one. i
> added the following: "v=spf1 a mx -all"

kin.mundoposible.org shows no TXT records as of today. You
added the TXT record to ns1/ns2.mundoposible.org?

> the domain names in the server are now receiving emails from hotmail
> (this was after changing config in exim),

A configuration error, then...your SPF record is not relevant
for mail sent TO your domain.

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d.wall at computer

Sep 23, 2007, 10:43 AM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

I can't resolve the problem because we found Microsoft/Hotmail to be
responsive last year (getting a response one day after asking, which is
good for a big company) when we had to go great lengths to get our
emails to arrive with hotmail, mostly having to do with SPF and
Sender-ID configurations. We did this even though there's no reason to
suspect our email as being spam (it's not, just regular email from one
employee to another who happens to be on the road and using hotmail),
including being sent FROM the same domain as the email server for that
domain name (domains matched FROM and Return-Path).

But, we just noted that emails again are not going through, yet the
SPF/Sender-ID on the corporate DNS has not changed. No response this
time from Hotmail as they seem to have installed so much crap to filter
out email that they don't even know what's going on anymore.

<rant>
They seem to be the worst of the free email clients as Yahoo Mail and
GMail work fine.

Good luck resolving matters. It'll probably be broken soon again, also
without any notification as they silently cover their trail of
incompetence when it comes to delivering email.
</rant>

If anybody can figure out how to make hotmail work reliably, I'd love to
read about it. We do have occasional need to send to hotmail users, so
a solution would be wonderful. Too bad they don't just implement SMTP
standards rather than making up their own rules and rejecting emails
silently to hide the fact that they don't know how to deliver email.

David

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jason.juarez at gmail

Sep 25, 2007, 4:07 AM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

hi steve,

yes, i noticed that different tools reported that it didn't have spf
text records even though i was adding them under 'edit dns' on cpanel.
i contacted the people at the data center a couple of hours ago and
suposedly they run some scripts so that whatever i edit under cpanel
is reflected on the server, and so it should be working by now, but it
isn't, or so it seems according to dnsreport and the tools on openspf.
thanks for the hint.

f.

On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Steve Yates wrote:

kin.mundoposible.org shows no TXT records as of today. You
added the TXT record to ns1/ns2.mundoposible.org?

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jason.juarez at gmail

Sep 25, 2007, 4:25 AM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

hi john,

thanks for your replys, they've been very helpful.

basically what you mean is i should only change tle the mail server
spf? which in this case is the same as hostname
(kin.mundoposible.org),

what i have at the moment as spf is:
"v=spf1 a mx -all"

and you mean it should be like this:
"v=spf1 a mx a:kin.mundoposible.org ~all"

or more like this:
"v=spf1 a mx a:kin.mundoposible.org ip4:72.36.163.114 ~all"

and would this go to all domain names which are on this server?

thanks for everything.

Jason.


Received: from [201.160.132.131] (helo=[192.168.0.2])


On 9/22/07, John Blazek <spf.pobox [at] logicalsolutns> wrote:
> Followup:
>
> Of course the really funny thing was.. I only added the numeric IP to
> the SPF record for my mail server, but once I did that, all the
> domains that I host began going through to hotmail.
>
> Coincidence? perhaps.
>
> Microsoft would not give me any help at all other than to repeatedly
> point to their website, which was useless.
>
> -john
>
> *****************
>
> I recently had an issue with HOTMAIL and they indicated that I had to
> include my IP in the spf record.
>
> They were accepting mail, with no error messages, but they were not
> delivering it.
>
> Once I added the IP address to the SPF record, the mail began going through.
>
> Once again, microsoft sucks.
>
> -john
>
>
> At 10:12 PM 9/22/2007, you wrote:
> >hi,
> >
> >i am new on the list, and i write looking for some hints as to what's
> >wrong with my mail configuration: all incoming and outgoing mails to
> >hotmail aren't being delivered.
> >i contacted mirosoft sender id, and the postmaster said the domain
> >names hosted on the hostname (kin.mundoposible.org) don't have spf,
> >and even though i added it, dnsreport says it's doesn't have one. i
> >added the following: "v=spf1 a mx -all"
> >
> >the domain names in the server are now receiving emails from hotmail
> >(this was after changing config in exim), but still can't send any
> >mails to hotmail: they immediately bounce. neither domains or ip's are
> >blacklisted as spammers. another thing is that mail sent from
> >individual domains appear as if being sent by the hostname itself.
> >
> >any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >Jay
> >
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alex at ergens

Sep 25, 2007, 4:52 AM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 04:25:47AM -0700, jason juarez wrote:

> what i have at the moment as spf is:
> "v=spf1 a mx -all"

This is published for domain mundoposible.org.mundoposible.org.

Most likely somebody forgot to enter a trailing dot.

Depending on your user interface, you need to publish that
record for name "@", "", or for "mundoposible.org." but not
for "mundoposible.org" (notice: without a trailing dot).

> and you mean it should be like this:
> "v=spf1 a mx a:kin.mundoposible.org ~all"
>
> or more like this:
> "v=spf1 a mx a:kin.mundoposible.org ip4:72.36.163.114 ~all"


"v=spf1 a mx a:kin.mundoposible.org ip4:72.36.163.114 ~all"
Work to do:
a: find the address for hostname mundoposible.org
compare against this address
mx: find the MX record for mail domain mundoposible.org
for each hostname, find the address
compare against these addresses
a:kin.mundoposible.org: find the address for hostname
kin.mundoposible.org and compare against this address
ip4:72.36.163.114: compare against address 72.36.163.114
~all: warn about all others

Notice how a(mundoposible.org) equals mx(mundoposible.org) equals
a(kin.mundoposible.org) equals ip4(72.36.163.114) in your case.

"v=spf1 ip4:72.36.163.114 -all"
Work to do:
ip4:72.36.163.114: compare against address 72.36.163.114
-all: reject all others

Notice: no extra DNS lookups needed. Less work, less chance of
failures.

Alex

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scott at kitterman

Sep 25, 2007, 4:54 AM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

On Tuesday 25 September 2007 07:07, jason juarez wrote:
>
> On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Steve Yates wrote:
>
> kin.mundoposible.org shows no TXT records as of today. You
> added the TXT record to ns1/ns2.mundoposible.org?

> hi steve,
>
> yes, i noticed that different tools reported that it didn't have spf
> text records even though i was adding them under 'edit dns' on cpanel.
> i contacted the people at the data center a couple of hours ago and
> suposedly they run some scripts so that whatever i edit under cpanel
> is reflected on the server, and so it should be working by now, but it
> isn't, or so it seems according to dnsreport and the tools on openspf.
> thanks for the hint.
>
> f.

It's still not there.

Scott K

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jason.juarez at gmail

Sep 25, 2007, 7:11 PM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

hi alex, scott,


i edited the text on spf record as told by alex,
it seems i was having problems with cpanel actually creating the txt
record on itself,
because dns report, openspf, microsoft id, etc, all declared the txt
file as inexistent.

now the spf is working again on kin.mundoposible.org, and it's up to
microsoft.com whom wrote:

"Hello,

We have added the the following domains in the Sender ID queue:
*.*

However, we were not able to add these domains to the Sender ID
program as we were unable to find any SPF record associated with this
domain. If the domain provided to us is not the correct name please
let us know, by replying to this email.

It is possible that you have made the changes to your DNS information,
but this has not fully replicated throughout the internet. The good
news is that you do not need to notify us when you create or any
revisions to your SPF record since we will automatically pull the
current record from the DNS daily. Once a SPF record is found your
domain will leave the Sender ID queue and be added to the Sender ID
program."

and hopefully the domains are still in the queue as it's been 5 days
since i received the email.


thanks again for your kind help.

Jason.

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alex at ergens

Sep 26, 2007, 12:00 AM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 07:11:00PM -0700, jason juarez wrote:

> i edited the text on spf record as told by alex,

not quite, no.

> it seems i was having problems with cpanel actually creating the txt
> record on itself,
> because dns report, openspf, microsoft id, etc, all declared the txt
> file as inexistent.
>
> now the spf is working again on kin.mundoposible.org,

Maybe I missed something, but here's how I interpreted your case:

You have a DNS zone "mundoposible.org". In this zone you have
some A records, at least for ns1, ns2 and kin. All mail is sent
by 72.36.163.114 using names like "user [at] mundoposible".

If this is not correct, stop reading now and tell us.


OK, so it is correct.

Things to do:

(for "domain" and "zone" and such, see http://www.openspf.org/DNS )

1: find out what name your mail host says it has. It doesn't matter
what you think it is named, it matters what it is telling us.
You can find out by sending a mail to spf-test [at] openspf and
then look at the resulting bounce.
2: find out which other names you use in email. For instance, are
you sending as "user [at] ns2"
3: write down all your domains that have A records and/or MX records.

For the domains at -1- and -2-, publish "v=spf1 ip4:72.36.163.114 -all".
For the domains at -3- which are not -1- or -2-, publish "v=spf1 -all".

Then come back here, and ask to check. Only when we say it's OK, you
should continue with telling others that you now got it right.

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jason.juarez at gmail

Sep 28, 2007, 9:46 PM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

hi alex,

i did as told, and now the spf's seem to be working fine, that is,
they are reported back by the different tools. but still emails to
homails bounce, even though all the domains were supposed to be on the
queue to be added to sender id.

i did the following

> For the domains at -1- and -2-, publish "v=spf1 ip4:72.36.163.114 -all".
> For the domains at -3- which are not -1- or -2-, publish "v=spf1 -all".
> 3: write down all your domains that have A records and/or MX records.


but then on option 3, on one of the domain names i used "v=spf1 ~all"

and still none is working when sending to hotmail... i get different
answers from tests. i include the results on the email, in case i'm
still doing something wrong.

for the ones using "v=spf1 -all"

i get this:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

spf-test [at] openspf
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<spf-test [at] openspf>:
host mailout02.controlledmail.com [72.81.252.18]:
550 5.7.1 <spf-test [at] openspf>: Recipient address rejected:
SPF Tests: Mail-From Result="none": Mail
From="dna [at] possibleworlds" HELO name="kin.mundoposible.org" HELO
Result="pass" Remote IP="72.36.163.114"

==========================================================
Summary of Results
==========================================================
SPF check: neutral
DomainKeys check: neutral
DKIM check: neutral
Sender-ID check: neutral


and for the one using "v=spf1 ~all" i get this:


spf-test [at] openspf
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<spf-test [at] openspf>:
host mailout02.controlledmail.com [72.81.252.18]:
550 5.7.1 <spf-test [at] openspf>: Recipient address rejected:
SPF Tests: Mail-From Result="softfail": Mail
From="ilich [at] sabotage" HELO name="kin.mundoposible.org" HELO
Result="pass" Remote IP="72.36.163.114"

==========================================================
Summary of Results
==========================================================
SPF check: softfail
DomainKeys check: neutral
DKIM check: neutral
Sender-ID check: softfail

thanks again...

Jason.

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spf at beer

Sep 29, 2007, 12:48 AM

Post #14 of 17 (3477 views)
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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

> i did as told, and now the spf's seem to be working fine, that is,
> they are reported back by the different tools. but still emails to
> homails bounce

Hotmail is a law unto itself. Just because you're doing everything right,
it doesn't mean they'll accept your mail...

> even though all the domains were supposed to be on the
> queue to be added to sender id.

Also remember that SPF IS NOT SENDER-ID. They are different systems.

> for the ones using "v=spf1 -all"

OK - at least one of your domains is *not* using this record.

$ dig +short txt possibleworlds.org
"v=spf1" "-all"

That is syntactically incorrect; I suspect it will be parsed simply as
"v=spf1", which is why you get

> SPF check: neutral

Incidentally, had your record worked, it would have meant "fail
everything"; is this really what you want?

> and for the one using "v=spf1 ~all" i get this:

That record means "softfail everything"

> SPF check: softfail

It works :-)

Vic.

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alex at ergens

Sep 29, 2007, 1:21 AM

Post #15 of 17 (3491 views)
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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 09:46:44PM -0700, jason juarez wrote:

> spf-test [at] openspf
> SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<spf-test [at] openspf>:
> host mailout02.controlledmail.com [72.81.252.18]:
> 550 5.7.1 <spf-test [at] openspf>: Recipient address rejected:
> SPF Tests: Mail-From Result="none": Mail
> From="dna [at] possibleworlds" HELO name="kin.mundoposible.org" HELO
> Result="pass" Remote IP="72.36.163.114"

dig +short kin.mundoposible.org txt has this to say:
"v=spf1 ip4:72.36.163.114 -all"

This is good. You allow the host with IP address 72.36.163.114, and
no other. And indeed, the HELO result is PASS.

dig +short possibleworlds.org txt has this to say:

"v=spf1" "-all"

Those are two strings, and need to be concatenated. The result is
"v=spf1-all". This string does NOT start with "v=spf1" followed
by a space, thus it is not an SPF policy.

> SPF check: neutral

Indeed. No SPF policy, thus a neutral result.

> and for the one using "v=spf1 ~all" i get this:

> spf-test [at] openspf
> SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<spf-test [at] openspf>:
> host mailout02.controlledmail.com [72.81.252.18]:
> 550 5.7.1 <spf-test [at] openspf>: Recipient address rejected:
> SPF Tests: Mail-From Result="softfail": Mail
> From="ilich [at] sabotage" HELO name="kin.mundoposible.org" HELO
> Result="pass" Remote IP="72.36.163.114"

dig +short sabotage.tv txt:

"v=spf1 ~all"

One string, starting with v=spf1 followed by a space, thus an SPF
policy, and its result is indeed softfail.

> SPF check: softfail

Good.


As you can see: when you do as told, it works. As soon as you are
not 100% careful, it doesn't work. This is how computers work, they
do what you tell them to do, not what you want them to do.

HTH
Alex

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jason.juarez at gmail

Sep 29, 2007, 1:47 PM

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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

aha, i just noticed this, the funny thing is when i go into cpanel,
everything seems to be spelled correctly, and even if i do
modifications they don't seem to reflect afterwards. that is, openspf,
etc keeps marking the spf record as inexistent.

> dig +short possibleworlds.org txt has this to say:
>
> "v=spf1" "-all"

yesterday i added this:
"v=spf1 ~all"

and they still come up as this:
v=spf1

thks.

J.

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rob.macgregor at gmail

Sep 29, 2007, 2:34 PM

Post #17 of 17 (3476 views)
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Re: hotmail. [In reply to]

On 9/29/07, jason juarez <jason.juarez [at] gmail> wrote:
> aha, i just noticed this, the funny thing is when i go into cpanel,
> everything seems to be spelled correctly, and even if i do
> modifications they don't seem to reflect afterwards. that is, openspf,
> etc keeps marking the spf record as inexistent.
>
> > dig +short possibleworlds.org txt has this to say:
> >
> > "v=spf1" "-all"
>
> yesterday i added this:
> "v=spf1 ~all"
>
> and they still come up as this:
> v=spf1

Right now it comes up as "v=spf1 ~all" from both my own PC and
centralops.net. Maybe it's still in the cache?

--
Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

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