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Thank you for being with us. ----------------- 07 Dec 2010 22:01:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36076 >> I know you're all excited to see another SIDF/SPF clarification >> question. :-) >> >> The doc at http://www.openspf.org/SPF_vs_Sender_ID says: >> 04 Dec 2010 12:57:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36074 On Saturday, December 04, 2010 02:04:37 pm Benny Pedersen wrote: > On lør 04 dec 2010 17:55:07 CET, Scott Kitterman wrote > > > He's talking about S 04 Dec 2010 11:23:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36073 On lør 04 dec 2010 17:55:07 CET, Scott Kitterman wrote > He's talking about Sender ID, which uses the body From, so it's not him that > needs to try 04 Dec 2010 11:04:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36072 On Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:26:43 am Benny Pedersen wrote: > On lør 04 dec 2010 02:49:22 CET, wrote > > > If using "-all", you may also face 04 Dec 2010 08:55:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36071 On lør 04 dec 2010 02:49:22 CET, wrote > If using "-all", you may also face rejection if your mail is > forwarded through a system whose IP is no 04 Dec 2010 07:26:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36070 spfhelp@caseyconnor.org wrote: >I know you're all excited to see another SIDF/SPF clarification >question. :-) > >The doc at http://www.openspf.org/S 04 Dec 2010 05:22:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36069 > >> What's worse, is Sender-ID implementations will use the SPF record if no >> Sender-ID record exists. Although Sender-ID adoption is much less an 04 Dec 2010 02:14:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36068 I know you're all excited to see another SIDF/SPF clarification question. :-) The doc at http://www.openspf.org/SPF_vs_Sender_ID says: "If you have 03 Dec 2010 17:49:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36067 Vic wrote: > http://search.cpan.org/~jenda/Mail-Sender-0.8.16/Sender.pm has the man > page for Mail::Sender. > > It specifies using the parameter "re 03 Dec 2010 09:54:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36066 Andrew Culver wrote: > Parameters > from > => the sender's e-mail address > fake_from > => the address that will be shown in headers. > If 03 Dec 2010 09:51:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36065 On Thursday, December 02, 2010 01:29:42 pm Marc Olivé wrote: > Hi, > > Let me please join your conversation in the "asking" part of it. > > Andrew, 03 Dec 2010 08:01:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36064 On Thursday, December 02, 2010 02:31:45 pm Andrew Culver wrote: > Neil Gunton wrote: > >> It is recommended, that if you do not intend for your SPF re 03 Dec 2010 07:57:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36063 Ho ricevuto il messaggio. Sono in ferie fino al 16 dicembre, legger� il messaggio al mio rientro il 17 dicembre. Per cose urgenti potete scrivere a 03 Dec 2010 07:15:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36062 Parameters from fake_from If not specified we use the value of from. It looks like you can use from to specify the SMTP MAIL FROM and then 03 Dec 2010 07:13:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36061 > Ok, I don't know how to set the SMTP MAIL FROM. I use a Perl module > called Mail::Sender, which I give parameters like 'from', 'cc' and other > hea 03 Dec 2010 00:50:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36060 Ho ricevuto il messaggio. Sono in ferie fino al 16 dicembre, legger� il messaggio al mio rientro il 17 dicembre. Per cose urgenti potete scrivere a 02 Dec 2010 19:48:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36059 On Thursday, December 02, 2010 05:33:07 pm alan wrote: > At 21:54 02/12/2010 Thursday, Derek Diget wrote: > >On Dec 2, 2010 at 12:10 -0800, Neil Gunt 02 Dec 2010 19:44:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36058 alan wrote: > At 02:04 03/12/2010 Friday, Neil Gunton wrote: >> Andrew Culver wrote: >>> No, Return-path is indicating what was used in the SMTP MAIL 02 Dec 2010 18:39:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36057 At 02:04 03/12/2010 Friday, Neil Gunton wrote: >Andrew Culver wrote: >>No, Return-path is indicating what was used in the SMTP MAIL FROM (aka envelop 02 Dec 2010 18:30:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36056 Andrew Culver wrote: > No, Return-path is indicating what was used in the SMTP MAIL FROM (aka > envelope sender). In an email you have the envelope S 02 Dec 2010 18:04:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36055 No, Return-path is indicating what was used in the SMTP MAIL FROM (aka envelope sender). In an email you have the envelope SMTP commands, then the h 02 Dec 2010 17:52:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36054 alan wrote: > see previous mail > though you should also set > from: "theirname" <their@address> > Sender: "theirname" <notifications@mydomain> > Rep 02 Dec 2010 17:48:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36053 At 00:15 03/12/2010 Friday, Neil Gunton wrote: >Neil Gunton wrote: >>Andrew Culver wrote: >>>The Return-path header is indicating what the SMTP MAIL 02 Dec 2010 17:33:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36052 At 23:29 02/12/2010 Thursday, Neil Gunton wrote: >Andrew Culver wrote: >>The Return-path header is indicating what the SMTP MAIL FROM address was. Th 02 Dec 2010 17:23:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36051 Neil Gunton wrote: > Andrew Culver wrote: >> The Return-path header is indicating what the SMTP MAIL FROM address >> was. This is what SPF recipients 02 Dec 2010 16:15:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36050 Andrew Culver wrote: > The Return-path header is indicating what the SMTP MAIL FROM address > was. This is what SPF recipients look at. In this case, 02 Dec 2010 15:29:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36049 At 21:54 02/12/2010 Thursday, Derek Diget wrote: >On Dec 2, 2010 at 12:10 -0800, Neil Gunton wrote: >=>Ok, so I'm not sure where that leaves me with 02 Dec 2010 14:33:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36048 On Dec 2, 2010 at 12:10 -0800, Neil Gunton wrote: =>Ok, so I'm not sure where that leaves me with regard to what to put in my SPF =>record, since obvi 02 Dec 2010 13:54:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36047 On 12/02/2010 03:22 PM, alan wrote: > >> Ok, Vic raised excellent points in his previous email about me being part of mailing lists (ironically, inclu 02 Dec 2010 13:34:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36046 At 18:42 02/12/2010 Thursday, Neil Gunton wrote: >alan wrote: >>- all means HARDFAIL all others (ie you recommend that they refuse mail from any othe 02 Dec 2010 13:22:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36045 At 18:29 02/12/2010 Thursday, Marc Olivé wrote: >Hi, > >Let me please join your conversation in the "asking" part of it. > >Andrew, you introduce an 02 Dec 2010 13:11:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36044 >> In the case of forwarders and mailing lists, this likely wouldn't change >> your SPF record if you ran into problems. The problem would be with the 02 Dec 2010 12:55:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36043 Vic wrote: > PayPal has a number of ways of sending email. Their subscription payment > system tends to forge the address of the recipient as the enve 02 Dec 2010 12:54:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36042 > You could also just set a low TTL (5 minutes) on your SPF record and set > it to -all. Bear in mind that some DNS servers - particularly those belo 02 Dec 2010 12:45:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36041 Andrew Culver wrote: > The Return-path header is indicating what the SMTP MAIL FROM address > was. This is what SPF recipients look at. In this case, 02 Dec 2010 12:43:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36040 > Does it? Yes :-( PayPal has a number of ways of sending email. Their subscription payment system tends to forge the address of the recipient as th 02 Dec 2010 12:42:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36039 Neil Gunton wrote: > Andrew Culver wrote: >> Does it? Look at the Return-path: header to see the SMTP MAIL FROM >> address that they used. SPF looks 02 Dec 2010 12:20:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36038 Andrew Culver wrote: > Does it? Look at the Return-path: header to see the SMTP MAIL FROM > address that they used. SPF looks at this, not the From: 02 Dec 2010 12:10:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36037 Neil Gunton wrote: >> It is recommended, that if you do not intend for your SPF record to be >> used by Sender-ID-aware hosts, that you also publish 02 Dec 2010 11:31:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36036 Does it? Look at the Return-path: header to see the SMTP MAIL FROM address that they used. SPF looks at this, not the From: header which your mail c 02 Dec 2010 11:24:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36035 Ho ricevuto il messaggio. Sono in ferie fino al 16 dicembre, legger� il messaggio al mio rientro il 17 dicembre. Per cose urgenti potete scrivere a 02 Dec 2010 11:19:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36034 Hi Marc, The solution of having each of your clients add your mail servers (or preferably include your SPF record) into their SPF record will work, 02 Dec 2010 11:18:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36033 alan wrote: > - all means HARDFAIL all others (ie you recommend that they refuse mail from any other source) > ~ all means SOFTFAIL all others (ie you 02 Dec 2010 10:42:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36032 Vic wrote: > Do you use any mailing lists? Do any of them forge your envelope address? > Do you use any non-conformant mail subscriptions (like PayPal 02 Dec 2010 10:32:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36031 Hi, Let me please join your conversation in the "asking" part of it. Andrew, you introduce an interesting question to me: *"If, for example, you hi 02 Dec 2010 10:29:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36030 > I'm not trying to be argumentitive here, but from what I gather my setup > really is very simple. You have been advised - properly, IMO - to run a 02 Dec 2010 10:25:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36029 Vic wrote: > Do you not think it might be a good idea to take the advice not to use > "-all" just yet? I've been doing SPF for some years now, and I s 02 Dec 2010 10:11:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36028 Andrew Culver wrote: > You'd be testing who is sending mail, not receiving it. It's up to the > receivers to decide how to handle your mail and how t 02 Dec 2010 10:06:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36027 > Then I don't see when you would ever use -all You use -all when you're sure you've got the config right. Are you sure your config is right? > Then 02 Dec 2010 09:49:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36026 Hi Neil, Neil Gunton wrote: > Then I don't see when you would ever use -all, because with any public > email system you cannot predict in advance wh 02 Dec 2010 09:48:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36025 alan wrote: > At 18:27 01/12/2010 Wednesday, Neil Gunton wrote: >> Ok, thanks again. I have changed all my spf records for bind to the following: >> 02 Dec 2010 09:26:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36024 Ho ricevuto il messaggio. Sono in ferie fino al 16 dicembre, legger� il messaggio al mio rientro il 17 dicembre. Per cose urgenti potete scrivere a 02 Dec 2010 02:55:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36023 At 18:27 01/12/2010 Wednesday, Neil Gunton wrote: >Ok, thanks again. I have changed all my spf records for bind to the following: > >TXT "v=spf1 02 Dec 2010 02:54:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36022 Ho ricevuto il messaggio. Sono in ferie fino al 16 dicembre, legger� il messaggio al mio rientro il 17 dicembre. Per cose urgenti potete scrivere a 01 Dec 2010 10:29:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36021 Ok, thanks again. I have changed all my spf records for bind to the following: TXT "v=spf1 ip4:208.64.24.170 -all" SPF "v=spf1 ip4:208.64.24 01 Dec 2010 10:27:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36020 ok questions dealt with in reverse order as its late and only the last approached an SPF issue first off your SPF "v=spf1 a mx ptr ip4:208.64.24.17 01 Dec 2010 02:07:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36019 At 06:17 01/12/2010 Wednesday, Neil Gunton wrote: >alan wrote: >>At 01:53 01/12/2010 Wednesday, Neil Gunton wrote: >>>Neil Gunton wrote: >>>>Here's 01 Dec 2010 02:06:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36018 alan wrote: > At 01:53 01/12/2010 Wednesday, Neil Gunton wrote: >> Neil Gunton wrote: >>> Here's my current SPF record, generated a while back from a 30 Nov 2010 22:17:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36017 Ho ricevuto il messaggio. Sono in ferie fino al 16 dicembre, legger� il messaggio al mio rientro il 17 dicembre. Per cose urgenti potete scrivere a 30 Nov 2010 19:34:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36016 At 01:53 01/12/2010 Wednesday, Neil Gunton wrote: >Neil Gunton wrote: >>Here's my current SPF record, generated a while back from an online wizard: > 30 Nov 2010 19:33:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36015 Neil Gunton wrote: > Here's my current SPF record, > generated a while back from an online wizard: > > "v=spf1 a mx ptr ip4:208.64.24.170 mx:spidey. 30 Nov 2010 17:53:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36014 Hi, I'm sorry if this turns out to be a stupid question, but I'm having some trouble working out how to construct my spf record. Here's my setup: I 30 Nov 2010 17:44:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36013 Thank you for your response. That is very helpful. Christopher Adams > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Yates [mailto:steve@teamITS.com] > 30 Nov 2010 13:33:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36012 Chris Adams wrote on Mon, Nov 29 2010 at 6:13 pm: > rejected a message that claimed an envelope sender address of > jennifer.maurer@state.or.us. > > 30 Nov 2010 13:31:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36011 At 19:00 30/11/2010 Tuesday, Chris Adams wrote: >> 1 no mailinglist should send mail with the original sender-envelope >> (a mailinglist is supposed 30 Nov 2010 13:24:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36010 Ho ricevuto il messaggio. Sono in ferie fino al 16 dicembre, legger� il messaggio al mio rientro il 17 dicembre. Per cose urgenti potete scrivere a 30 Nov 2010 11:01:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36009 > 1 no mailinglist should send mail with the original sender-envelope > (a mailinglist is supposed to send mail with the list- > admin@mailinglist-dom 30 Nov 2010 11:00:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36008 well yes things are bad 1 no mailinglist should send mail with the original sender-envelope (a mailinglist is supposed to send mail with the list-adm 29 Nov 2010 16:57:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36007 Hello all, This is my first posting to this list. I hope that this is the appropriate forum for my request. I maintain a local mail server for our L 29 Nov 2010 16:13:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36006 "Alessandro Vesely" <vesely@tanax.it> wrote: >On 26/Nov/10 15:41, Luke Harris wrote: >> The actual SPF checking is working fine, however it's not >> 29 Nov 2010 05:53:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36005 On 26/Nov/10 15:41, Luke Harris wrote: > The actual SPF checking is working fine, however it's not > prepending the Received-SPF header to any the me 29 Nov 2010 05:47:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36004 Well there you go. I'd enabled that since I was testing and didn't want to lose any mail :) Thanks for the patch - it works great. Much appreciated. 27 Nov 2010 23:42:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36003 On Saturday, November 27, 2010 09:56:31 pm Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, November 26, 2010 09:41:24 am Luke Harris wrote: > > I've been playing 27 Nov 2010 19:56:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36001 On Friday, November 26, 2010 09:41:24 am Luke Harris wrote: > I've been playing around with implementing SPF on my personal server using > pypolicyd-s 27 Nov 2010 18:56:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/36000 It's version 0.8.0. - Luke -----Original Message----- From: Scott Kitterman [mailto:scott@kitterman.com] Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2010 1:09 AM T 26 Nov 2010 14:12:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35999 "Luke Harris" <luke@epitah.net> wrote: >I've been playing around with implementing SPF on my personal server >using >pypolicyd-spf. The actual SPF ch 26 Nov 2010 07:09:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35998 I've been playing around with implementing SPF on my personal server using pypolicyd-spf. The actual SPF checking is working fine, however it's not pr 26 Nov 2010 06:41:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35997 Yes that's it! Im working now, on a small mail server we own for few our customers, that is "spreading the disease" Thanks for your help Best wishe 25 Nov 2010 01:12:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35996 According to the reject message, your server was blocked because google detected high levels of spam from it. The URL they provide recommends SPF, b 24 Nov 2010 09:40:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35995 no way, it doesn't work ill do more tries later just give Gmail server the time to update however here is the delivery status message: ______________ 24 Nov 2010 09:23:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35994 thanks for your reply, ideed im still newby with those concepts ill try immediatly Andrea Di Lello Sistemista Microsoft Certified Partner Cell. 335 24 Nov 2010 08:21:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35993 > v=spf1 ip4:78.4.124.132 mx ptr a:platone.archi.lan mx:mail.archinet.it This won't work. You start well - an IP4 address. "mx" is inappropriate he 24 Nov 2010 06:54:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35992 i guess you are behind nat seeing platone.archi.lan and if so you should try: v=spf1 ip4:78.4.124.132/32 a mx a:archinet.it mx:archinet.it -all doe 24 Nov 2010 06:09:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35991 Hello, I have problems sending to Gmail, I have configured this morning a txt record in DNS with: v=spf1 ip4:78.4.124.132 mx ptr a:platone.archi.lan 24 Nov 2010 04:18:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35990 Hello, Thanks everyone, the problem seems to have been resolved. I'm not sure which item helped, but the combination of SPF record, setting up the r 22 Nov 2010 09:19:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35989 David Marcus wrote: > SPF isn't concerned with what the From address is. It is only concerned > with the envelope sender address (usually called retu 22 Nov 2010 07:43:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35988 SPF isn't concerned with what the From address is. It is only concerned with the envelope sender address (usually called return-path in the headers) a 22 Nov 2010 07:16:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35987 Hi everybody, First of all, please excuse me for me disturbing you. I'd like to ask for some help in setting up SPF records for a configuration. The 22 Nov 2010 04:58:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35986 Michael Kowalski wrote on Fri, Nov 19 2010 at 11:24 am: > suppose due to having the marketing software on a subdomain with > HostGator on a shared se 19 Nov 2010 14:19:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35979 I'm not familiar with them either. The webpage says that SID is not SPF. It also says to either figure out what SID record you really want or simply 19 Nov 2010 11:10:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35978 > >Also, from examing the header a bit more, would it make sense to try and >add "gator1197.hostgator.com" and the IP "174.122.2.194"? I think the do 19 Nov 2010 11:10:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35977 I am sorry; I am really not that familiar with these things. It's true that Hotmail seems to be reading the SPF as an SID in the lines that say PASS. 19 Nov 2010 10:52:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35976 The webpage says that Sender ID is not SPF. If you don't want to use Sender ID, publish a spf2.0/pra record. Your email headers say "SID", not 19 Nov 2010 10:33:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35975 Hey David, yes I did look through that link a few times, but it is confusing. Some places say that if your SPF record is working, you do not need Sen 19 Nov 2010 10:21:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35974 Did you see this? http://www.openspf.org/SPF_vs_Sender_ID David >Hey Steve, > >Thanks for the reply, I will go ahead and try as you suggested, 19 Nov 2010 09:35:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/help/35973