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hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz at gmail

Oct 8, 2011, 8:05 AM

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Website issues: On the <http://www.openspf.org/Forums> page
I'd like to disable SRS-discuss, SRS-devel, SPF-deployment,
SPF-private, and SPF-council *IFF* these mailing lists are
dead. Julian has already retired SPF-webmasters; FWIW the
GMaNe archive is still available.

Some spammer had fun with the Community stories page. This
somehow resulted in a mess with the revisions (after 102
the counter started to overwrite revisions 1..10). At the
moment this page should be locked.

-Frank


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scott at kitterman

Oct 8, 2011, 12:37 PM

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On Saturday, October 08, 2011 05:05:24 PM Frank Ellermann wrote:
> Website issues: On the <http://www.openspf.org/Forums> page
> I'd like to disable SRS-discuss, SRS-devel, SPF-deployment,
> SPF-private, and SPF-council *IFF* these mailing lists are
> dead. Julian has already retired SPF-webmasters; FWIW the
> GMaNe archive is still available.

I think this is fine. As far as I know all those lists are dead.

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hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz at gmail

Oct 9, 2011, 8:44 AM

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On 8 October 2011 21:37, Scott Kitterman wrote:

> As far as I know all those lists are dead.

Okay, I've updated the Forums page. IMO spf-announce could
be deleted, the list is dead (= listbox.com doesn't know it),
and the Gmane archive ending in 2006 is now irrelevant.

-Frank


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julian at mehnle

Nov 5, 2011, 2:32 PM

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Frank Ellermann wrote:

> On 8 October 2011 21:37, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > As far as I know all those lists are dead.
>
> Okay, I've updated the Forums page. IMO spf-announce could
> be deleted, the list is dead (= listbox.com doesn't know it),
> and the Gmane archive ending in 2006 is now irrelevant.

Frank, thanks for doing this. Unfortunately the website backup we
restored on the new server is not completely current and is thus missing
any changes that were made recently. I will keep trying to get access to
the latest website data from the old server.

While we're on the topic of mailing lists, I think the upcoming 4408bis
effort may warrant a complete move of the remaining mailing lists away
from Listbox to a different service. Possibly Google Groups, or I could
host them on the new server that's now running the website. The old list
archives at Listbox and elsewhere are a mess. Comments welcome.

- -Julian

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scott at kitterman

Nov 6, 2011, 6:31 AM

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Julian Mehnle <julian [at] mehnle> wrote:

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>Frank Ellermann wrote:
>
>> On 8 October 2011 21:37, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> > As far as I know all those lists are dead.
>>
>> Okay, I've updated the Forums page. IMO spf-announce could
>> be deleted, the list is dead (= listbox.com doesn't know it),
>> and the Gmane archive ending in 2006 is now irrelevant.
>
>Frank, thanks for doing this. Unfortunately the website backup we
>restored on the new server is not completely current and is thus
>missing
>any changes that were made recently. I will keep trying to get access
>to
>the latest website data from the old server.
>
>While we're on the topic of mailing lists, I think the upcoming 4408bis
>
>effort may warrant a complete move of the remaining mailing lists away
>from Listbox to a different service. Possibly Google Groups, or I
>could
>host them on the new server that's now running the website. The old
>list
>archives at Listbox and elsewhere are a mess. Comments welcome.

There will be an IETF working group for 4408bis. It will have an IETF mailing list, so we don't need to worry about a list for that.

Scott K


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hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz at gmail

Nov 6, 2011, 6:45 AM

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On 5 November 2011 22:32, Julian Mehnle wrote:

> I will keep trying to get access to the latest
> website data from the old server.

Hopefully that works, there were lots of changes
after the last wayback archive snap shot 2011-07.

> I think the upcoming 4408bis effort may warrant a
> complete move of the remaining mailing lists away
> from Listbox to a different service.  Possibly
> Google Groups, or I could host them on the new
> server that's now running the website.

Normally I'd say that *anything* should be better.
The IETF non-WG list update apparently didn't make
it, but that's anyway no obstacle.

But Google Groups might be even worse than what we
have now, they are permanently introducing new and
wonderful features incompatible with what used to
work for years (and not more working at all if you
have no G+ account). Better stay away from Google.

As long as the remaining three SPF lists (discuss +
help + devel) work better don't touch it.

-Frank


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hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz at gmail

Nov 6, 2011, 6:56 AM

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On 6 November 2011 15:31, Scott Kitterman wrote:

> There will be an IETF working group for 4408bis.

Can you share the source of this info?

> It will have an IETF mailing list

We *are* on an IETF mailing list, complete with a
"note well" link on the rescued SPF Forums page,
since 2008-03. As moderator you are supposed to
know that the IETF Chair has posting rights... ;-)

-Frank


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scott at kitterman

Nov 6, 2011, 7:24 AM

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Frank Ellerman: <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz [at] gmail> wrote:

>On 6 November 2011 15:31, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
>> There will be an IETF working group for 4408bis.
>
>Can you share the source of this info?
>
>> It will have an IETF mailing list
>
>We *are* on an IETF mailing list, complete with a
>"note well" link on the rescued SPF Forums page,
>since 2008-03. As moderator you are supposed to
>know that the IETF Chair has posting rights... ;-)

Will is probably too strong a term. Essentially all the feedback I've gotten on my 4408bis draft has amounted to "needs to move out of experimental, but needs a WG." I'm not going to the next IETF meeting (Taipei), but I'm sure there will be some informal discussion there.

Scott K


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hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz at gmail

Nov 6, 2011, 7:33 AM

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On 6 November 2011 16:24, Scott Kitterman wrote:

> Essentially all the feedback I've gotten on my
> 4408bis draft has amounted to "needs to move out
> of experimental, but needs a WG."

Just for fun, and before UTF8SMTPBIS replaces the
older UTF8SMTP, I've revived my SPF-EAI I-D. This
should be the first I-D with a _normative_ 4408bis
reference.

-Frank

<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ellermann-spf-eai>


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derek.diget+spf-discuss at wmich

Nov 7, 2011, 6:24 AM

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On Nov 6, 2011 at 15:45 +0100, Frank Ellermann wrote:
=>On 5 November 2011 22:32, Julian Mehnle wrote:
=>> I think the upcoming 4408bis effort may warrant a
=>> complete move of the remaining mailing lists away
=>> from Listbox to a different service.  Possibly
=>> Google Groups, or I could host them on the new
=>> server that's now running the website.
=>
=>Normally I'd say that *anything* should be better.
=>The IETF non-WG list update apparently didn't make
=>it, but that's anyway no obstacle.
=>
=>But Google Groups might be even worse than what we
=>have now, they are permanently introducing new and
=>wonderful features incompatible with what used to
=>work for years (and not more working at all if you
=>have no G+ account). Better stay away from Google.

+1

If my short term memory is correct, the Internet2 Shibboleth group just
moved their lists away from Google Groups a few weeks ago because of
issues.


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stuart at bmsi

Nov 7, 2011, 8:58 AM

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I vote for running mailman on the openspf.net domain. It can run on
Julian's Debian server, or on the CentOS 5 VM I allocated for openspf. I
have pymilter stuff packaged for CentOS.

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scott at kitterman

Nov 7, 2011, 9:11 AM

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On 11/07/2011 11:58 AM, Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
> I vote for running mailman on the openspf.net domain. It can run on
> Julian's Debian server, or on the CentOS 5 VM I allocated for openspf. I
> have pymilter stuff packaged for CentOS.

It's also packaged for Debian.

Scott K


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msk at cloudmark

Nov 7, 2011, 10:39 AM

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Ellermann [mailto:hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz [at] gmail]
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 6:57 AM
> To: spf-discuss [at] listbox
> Subject: Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Lists
>
> On 6 November 2011 15:31, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
> > There will be an IETF working group for 4408bis.
>
> Can you share the source of this info?

Me.

> > It will have an IETF mailing list
>
> We *are* on an IETF mailing list, complete with a
> "note well" link on the rescued SPF Forums page,
> since 2008-03. As moderator you are supposed to
> know that the IETF Chair has posting rights... ;-)

The IETF likes to have working group lists managed by ietf.org's MLM, so we can expect an spfbis [at] ietf mailing list. In fact, I've already sent off the request for it.


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hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz at gmail

Nov 7, 2011, 11:46 AM

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On 7 November 2011 19:39, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

>>> There will be an IETF working group for 4408bis.

>> Can you share the source of this info?

> Me.

My IETF TAO crystal ball says that it's not really
necessary to ask who one of the two WG Chairs will
be... ;-)

> The IETF likes to have working group lists managed
> by ietf.org's MLM, so we can expect an
> spfbis [at] ietf mailing list.

That simplifies finding a reliable public archive,
and it's also a hint for the future WG name. In an
ideal world I'd be interested to gateway spfbis@ in
spf-discuss@ and vice versa, but at the moment this
list here is also used for OpenSPF Web site issues,
so in the real world it's no good idea.

-Frank


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