Mailing List Archive by Gossamer Threads http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/ en-us (c) Gossamer Threads Inc. All rights reserved. 12 Feb 2012 11:52:04 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg Hi! You have asked to subscribe to spf-discuss. If this is what you want, just reply to this message or click on the link below, and you will be subsc 13 Jan 2012 23:01:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36274 Hi! You have asked to subscribe to spf-discuss. If this is what you want, just reply to this message or click on the link below, and you will be subsc 28 Nov 2011 15:35:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36273 We've removed list-spf-discuss@lists.gossamer-threads.com from spf-discuss. No further action is necessary. Thank you for being with us. Rejoin spf- 28 Nov 2011 15:35:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36272 > -----Original Message----- > From: Murray S. Kucherawy [mailto:msk@cloudmark.com] > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:49 PM > To: spf-discuss@listbo 28 Nov 2011 14:52:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36271 This mailing list is now available. If you would like to participate in the work, including: - hammering out the charter for the proposed working gr 28 Nov 2011 14:48:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36270 On 14 November 2011 07:31, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > that document proposes an extension to SPF called "scope", but > doesn't contain any scope de 13 Nov 2011 23:35:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36267 If you have feedback about the charter, please submit it to me directly or to the apps-discuss@ietf.org mailing list. -MSK ----------------------- 13 Nov 2011 21:48:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36266 <URL:http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/82/slides/appsawg-0.pdf> As announced by Murray here. ------------------------------------------- Sender Policy F 13 Nov 2011 16:41:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36265 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All, the SPF website is back. It is now hosted on a more reliable server. It is temporarily availab 05 Nov 2011 14:26:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36251 Hi, Since a few days, I can't access the www.openspf.org website any longer ? Can't open an HTTP connection to IP 76.79.58.174. Same thing for you ? 02 Nov 2011 00:31:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36248 I've also gone ahead and submitted an interim draft with what I've got so far. This is by no means final, just a partial first draft. http://www.ie 24 Oct 2011 13:57:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36229 As I've mentioned previously, I'm working on updating the SPF RFC, RFC 4408, and hoping to get it out of Experimental and onto standards track. I've 24 Oct 2011 13:37:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36228 Website issues: On the <http://www.openspf.org/Forums> page I'd like to disable SRS-discuss, SRS-devel, SPF-deployment, SPF-private, and SPF-council 08 Oct 2011 08:05:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36225 I just committed a test to the test suite for non-ascii-policy. Pyspf flunks this test, so I am running the expected result by the community in the h 05 Oct 2011 13:50:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36222 Hi, somehow RFC 4408 managed to have a normative reference to RFC 3513 when that was already obsoleted by RFC 4291. The latter was updated by RFCs 59 09 Sep 2011 04:03:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36218 After a brief re-read, I see that RFC4408 explains that unknown modifiers are to be ignored, but doesn't say what to do if there's an unknown mechanis 02 Sep 2011 10:43:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36206 Hi, my OpenSPF wiki update feed claimed that the Community Stories changed. In fact they did that quite often in the last months, 1: spam links added, 29 Aug 2011 22:00:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36205 Hi, something with the OpenSPF wiki "upload" feature does not more work: | Software error: | CGI open of tmpfile: Permission denied | For help, pleas 21 Aug 2011 19:10:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36202 Over on the exim-users mailing list, someone just complained that libspf2 tries for RRTYPE 99 (SPF) before 16 (TXT). That's what the standard says to 15 Aug 2011 12:06:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36175 Hello all, first-time writer, long-time knower-of-SPF. I'm aware that Scott has started the work of putting together a push to move SPF from an Exper 09 Aug 2011 12:41:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36155 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 12 Jul 2011 05:12:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36152 I've updated the subj draft based on the comments I got here, the MARF list, and privately. Additional comments are welcome. Scott K ---------- F 11 Jul 2011 15:51:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36151 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tuesday, June 28, 2011 09:35:07 AM internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > ... > 09 Jul 2011 20:24:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36147 In the course of some other work I've been doing, I've started work on an extension to both SPF and the Messaging Abuse Reporting Format. If you don 28 Jun 2011 06:46:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36146 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 04 Jun 2011 19:29:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36145 Microsoft has removed most SenderID information from its website, and in particular http://www.microsoft.com/senderid now redirects to a Forefront an 03 May 2011 07:23:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36135 Guys, the domain we are working on we'll call domain1.com The original SPF record of domain1.com was this. v=spf1 mx ptr ~all now we added this, in 19 Apr 2011 08:03:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36133 Hi, [apologies for cross posting] Subscribers to this list, especially those located in the UK, may be interested to give their views in this UK Gov 16 Mar 2011 02:14:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36131 One slowly emerging story I've been following is the "IPocalypse" -- the exhaustion of IPv4 internet addresses. This will almost certainly be the fir 06 Mar 2011 00:25:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36128 Hello, I'm posting here, 'cause srs-discuss (mentioned at: http://www.openspf.org/Forums) bounced while subscribing. I'm in the need of deploying sr 10 Feb 2011 14:42:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36122 Hi guys, hope you can explain something for me! Neither yahoo mail nor gmail seem to reject incoming mail if there is no DNS record at all for the e 09 Feb 2011 12:36:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36115 On 04/Feb/11 17:11, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: > If it is not clear in the spec that you SHOULD NOT reject on -all > when not actually evaluated on an M 04 Feb 2011 10:56:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36104 (note: this is somewhat of a re-hash of my earlier "fm=" forwarder-mitigation modifier. But the DKIM connection has been dropped, and adding this in 30 Jan 2011 05:02:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36094 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 16 Jan 2011 00:00:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36082 A new IETF draft posted yesterday proposes a IANA registry for a list of all registered SPF modifier names and their defining documents. The initial l 08 Jan 2011 11:41:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36081 Hi, I've been trying to find a way to use configurable timeout behaviour in libspf2 (for the resolver at least). As far as I can see there doesn't 03 Jan 2011 15:55:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36079 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 26 Dec 2010 00:00:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/36077 Hello, Sorry for bother you again with lame question, but I'm stuck on linking with libspf2. I got these errors: g++ -L/usr/local/lib -o"CstpSpf" 21 Nov 2010 13:29:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35981 Hello, Is there any examples of using libspf2? I can't find anything on the web. I have to write some spf checking mechanism with multiple layers (c 17 Nov 2010 05:55:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35969 It seems that every post to spf help has an spf record with 'a mx ptr' in it as a result of the wizard sticking them in. Whats the status with the w 06 Nov 2010 11:44:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35959 Hello, I'm using 64bit Archlinux and installed spf from source. Everythink went ok, i got no errors and I'm able to run example program. Problem occu 24 Oct 2010 01:57:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35927 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 10 Oct 2010 00:00:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35898 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 25 Sep 2010 05:45:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35885 Problem: only Wayne Schlitt has keys to domain, and website hosted on PIII laptop goes down. (Seems to be starved for swap space and memory among o 07 Sep 2010 12:39:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35857 The srs lists do not seem to work. Are they permanently out of service? -- Web mail, POP3, and SMTP http://www.beewyz.com/freeaccounts.php ---- 01 Sep 2010 20:29:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35856 Greetings from Amazon.com. We're sorry. You replied to a confirmation-only address that can't accept incoming e-mail. But that's OK--this automated r 29 Jun 2010 04:56:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35791 Hello everyone, I am new to libspf and this is my first post. I am trying to compile libspf 1.2.9 for Win32 using Visual Studio 2008. There are 1 07 May 2010 12:49:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35651 I configured a number of spf records using the exp= facility to provide more details in rejection messages. I then discovered that the software I'm u 28 Apr 2010 09:38:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35637 http://EvangelinaFugatt1391.co.cc ------------------------------------------- Sender Policy Framework: http://www.openspf.org [[url]http://www.opens 14 Apr 2010 02:52:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35627 On Sun 21 Feb 2010 09:35:03 PM CET, Auestad Inger wrote > Sentralarkivet kan kontaktes pÃ¥ tlf 22 24 60 01. when you got back from vacation please 22 Feb 2010 09:25:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35520 Sentralarkivet kan kontaktes på tlf 22 24 60 01. ------------------------------------------- Sender Policy Framework: http://www.openspf.org [[url 21 Feb 2010 12:35:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35519 Yesterday I changed completely our SPF record to -all from ~all. I started reading the common mistakes section of the website and wasn't completely s 12 Feb 2010 11:24:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35499 Hi All, I am new to this list having just been bitten by an SPF rejection problem on a mail list I run. Background. I am responsible for two hostin 20 Jan 2010 08:21:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35452 Wed 2010-01-13 18:22:27: <-- MAIL FROM:<listbox+trampoline+Lf+ClMz+ppTXc4kA3xGeqJ-77py6Cw+DdU5x1@jeeves.archives.listbox.com> SIZE=6916 Wed 2010-01- 13 Jan 2010 15:48:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35424 Here is a little nit that wasn't addressed in RFC4408. If HELO SPF says to reject, but SPF for MAIL FROM says Pass, which takes precedence? For sp 13 Jan 2010 10:00:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35420 The project is now hosted on: https://launchpad.net/postfix-policyd-spf-perl/ In addition to the release tarballs and the code (now in bzr instead o 07 Jan 2010 10:53:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35417 The project is now hosted on: https://launchpad.net/pypolicyd-spf/ In addition to the release tarballs and the code (now in bzr instead of svn) the 06 Jan 2010 10:02:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35414 Is anyone able to access www.openvpn.org? I have been trying for about an hour now with no luck. It looks like I am also unable to ping the server. 15 Dec 2009 23:28:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35393 Hi there, On Sat, 21 Nov 2009, Thomas Harold wrote: > What is the current thinking on rejecting at the SMTP transaction if you > encounter an SPF fa 21 Nov 2009 07:10:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35349 Hello, Sometimes I meet a badly configured SPF entries for domains, which contain "+all" elements. I've also met a domain with entry like this: ip4: 07 Nov 2009 11:45:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35305 o = domain of <sender> d = <domain> ?? when and how are these different? i am assuming that perhaps %{d}==domain of current spf record bu 02 Nov 2009 16:08:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35298 --On 19 October 2009 07:01:57 -0700 David MacQuigg <macquigg@ece.arizona.edu> wrote: ><<snip>> >The one thing that particularly concerns me at the mo 21 Oct 2009 06:33:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35226 First of all, I would like to thank those who have responded and note that I changed the title of the subject to reflect the latest situation. Pleas 19 Oct 2009 09:48:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35198 Dear sirs: 1) I have a webserver/mail server that runs on a single IP address. 2) The domain is compatibleweb.com (mail.compatibleweb.com) 3) I hav 17 Oct 2009 20:26:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35186 Ian Eiloart wrote: >> Without having some kind of worldwide individual identity system, it just >> can't be done. > > No, we can. At the university 17 Oct 2009 06:06:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35185 I hinted at the following as an aside in my Forwarder Mitigation proposals, but no one really picked up on the idea. So I'm going to repeat it more d 06 Oct 2009 19:54:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35104 sir my name ganesh kumar i wanna know about in gmail how to send a message to no.of person's at a time (above 100000)to my use my mail id plz reply im 23 Sep 2009 07:04:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35079 On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >We know M$ moves with the grace of an elephant in a crystal shop, and OT: Is this metaphor used beca 21 Jul 2009 06:52:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34976 I had one idea on how a sender could cope with an unhandled forwarder problem or unwhitelisted backup MX in some receivers, without completely giving 17 Jul 2009 04:26:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34941 I propose to create a wiki page for features people think they might want in SPFv3 - like the Feature list for the Fedora project. Each feature wou 16 Jul 2009 13:47:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34936 On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, alan wrote: > the helo is validated by testing the for an spf for > postmaster@smtp-out.example.com thats what SPF recommends al 14 Jul 2009 07:53:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34925 In my "best-guess" algorithm, a validated HELO (that resolves to the connect ip) is added to the collection of validated PTR records for the PTR mecha 10 Jul 2009 13:52:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34901 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 04 Jul 2009 23:00:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34851 I like SPF, however, I've always had a problem with the arrogant attitude some show towards the forwarding problem -- that receiverside implentors sho 03 Jul 2009 21:05:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34848 Hi, I write this note in case someone is going to write a new version of the standard: an equality relationship between SPF records is not currentl 03 Jul 2009 10:49:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34844 My email SMTP server is hosted externally. I have been advised by the openspf.org wizard that the MTA should have an SPF record. I have asked the s 29 Jun 2009 01:56:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34836 One of our clients is having trouble sending us e-mail, so I ran a DNS report. They have a weird SPF record that I've never seen before. ("v=spf1 incl 12 Jun 2009 06:17:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34800 Hi All, I hope you can help me. I have been contracted to maintain and develop a bulk email generation tool for one of my clients. Under their cur 11 May 2009 14:41:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34689 test ------------------------------------------- Sender Policy Framework: http://www.openspf.org Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/me 10 May 2009 14:12:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34686 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 09 May 2009 23:00:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34685 Hello, I exploit this list to report a bug in libspf2, as I tried to report to both rt.anarres.org and spf-devel without success in the past weeks. 15 Mar 2009 17:43:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34607 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 07 Mar 2009 22:00:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34601 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 07 Feb 2009 22:00:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34567 Although its intended use is DKIM, VBR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vouch_by_Reference allows SPF as a means to identify that a mail message origina 06 Feb 2009 10:02:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34566 stuart wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, alan wrote: > >> >several have commented with all the v1 and v2 records in place and now a v3 on top >> >will add 22 Jan 2009 11:46:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34517 Hi all, I'd like to be comforted by usage statistics, but have no data. My understanding of SPF checks by scope is as follows: helo: could work alw 20 Jan 2009 02:38:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34499 Please stop sending these emails to me I have no idea what they are about. I get several of these a day from your group. ____________________________ 13 Jan 2009 12:33:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34478 > I would expect some resistance to this from the IETF. RFRC-5321 (see > below) seems to say that the name has to be specific to one client > machin 12 Jan 2009 09:24:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34474 It looks like we'll need a mechanism to establish an official SPF project position on this. I think we need to elect a new SPF Council. Scott K -- 11 Jan 2009 11:47:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34464 Where do we stand with SPF usage on HELO/EHLO? The establishment of "capitol" out there in the net in the form of the thousands of domains that publi 05 Jan 2009 13:45:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34414 It appears that the SPF test suite no longer relies on spf1-test.mailzone.com. Unless I am informed that this is not true, you should expect those TXT 11 Dec 2008 08:12:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34369 Eventually I did put some content in http://fixforwarding.org/. It is an SMTP fix loosely related to SPF, that was discussed on this list last Janua 10 Dec 2008 04:27:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34363 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 06 Dec 2008 22:00:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34353 On Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:57, G.W. Haywood wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Paul Howarth wrote: > > >> "G.W. Haywood" <spfmilter@jubile 11 Nov 2008 11:58:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34331 Hi there, I noticed that spf_example.c can cause libspf2-1.2.8 to segfault, so I inserted the following line: SPF_ASSERT_NOTNULL(rcpt_to); a 10 Nov 2008 08:51:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34329 iMail News Gateway Server v3.1 (c) Copyright 1996-2005 Santronics Software, Inc. Mai 08 Nov 2008 22:00:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34328 Hi, In August, We IIJ have released ENMA - SPF, Sender ID milter - as an open source product. The following website is the press release: http:// 21 Oct 2008 17:54:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34308 At 04:11 PM 10/20/2008 -0400, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: >On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, David MacQuigg wrote: > >> Long-term, we need a way to motivate senders 20 Oct 2008 13:38:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34297 On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:54:44 +0100 Shevek <spf@anarres.org> wrote: >On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 00:10 +0400, Eugene Crosser wrote: >> Scott Kitterman wrote: 15 Oct 2008 16:16:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34270 On Wednesday 15 October 2008 13:35, Jason Frisvold wrote: > On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > There is (at last) a new libspf2 15 Oct 2008 13:29:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/34263