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<title>Re: [spf-help] How reliable is it to block/reject on SPF fail?</title>
<description>Hi there, On Sat, 21 Nov 2009, Thomas Harold wrote: &amp;gt; What is the current thinking on rejecting at the SMTP transaction if you &amp;gt; encounter an SPF fa</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 07:10:04 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35349</link>
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<title>SPF Mail Summary Report</title>
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<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 23:00:02 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35309</link>
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<title>Re: limit ip-range for &amp;quot;pass&amp;quot; elements</title>
<description>On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:25:17 +0100 Wojciech Scigala &amp;lt;libspf2.org@wojtus.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 02:55:30PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 12:33:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: limit ip-range for &amp;quot;pass&amp;quot; elements</title>
<description>On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 02:55:30PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; I think you should take note of such domains and mark all mail from them as &amp;gt; bad</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 12:25:17 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35307</link>
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<title>Re: limit ip-range for &amp;quot;pass&amp;quot; elements</title>
<description>On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:45:25 +0100 Wojciech Scigala &amp;lt;libspf2.org@wojtus.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;Hello, &amp;gt; &amp;gt;Sometimes I meet a badly configured SPF entries for dom</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 11:55:30 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35306</link>
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<title>limit ip-range for &amp;quot;pass&amp;quot; elements</title>
<description>Hello, Sometimes I meet a badly configured SPF entries for domains, which contain &amp;quot;+all&amp;quot; elements. I&amp;#039;ve also met a domain with entry like this: ip4:</description>
<pubDate>07 Nov  2009 11:45:25 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35305</link>
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<title>Re: can someone answer me a question i cannot seem to find in the docs</title>
<description>At 03:40 03/11/2009 Tuesday, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: &amp;gt;On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, alan wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; ?? when and how are these different? &amp;gt;&amp;gt; i am assuming tha</description>
<pubDate>02 Nov  2009 20:35:27 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35301</link>
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<title>Re: can someone answer me a question i cannot seem to find in the docs</title>
<description>On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, alan wrote: &amp;gt; ?? when and how are these different? &amp;gt; i am assuming that perhaps %{d}==domain of current spf record but I cannot &amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>02 Nov  2009 19:40:27 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35299</link>
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<title>can someone answer me a question i cannot seem to find in the docs</title>
<description>o    = domain of &amp;lt;sender&amp;gt; d    = &amp;lt;domain&amp;gt; ?? when and how are these different? i am assuming that perhaps %{d}==domain of current spf record bu</description>
<pubDate>02 Nov  2009 16:08:21 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35298</link>
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<title>SPF Mail Summary Report</title>
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<pubDate>01 Nov  2009 00:20:46 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35296</link>
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<pubDate>24 Oct  2009 22:00:03 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35284</link>
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<title>Re: Tracking userids --was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I think it&amp;#039;s reasonable to assume that a domain operator won&amp;#039;t permit &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; one user to spoof another user&amp;#039;s sender address. If t</description>
<pubDate>23 Oct  2009 08:36:31 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35280</link>
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<title>Re: Tracking userids --was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>David MacQuigg wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I imagine that sender reputation services will become as &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; widespread as IP reputation services. &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; If the domain coop</description>
<pubDate>23 Oct  2009 06:27:48 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35279</link>
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<title>RE: Spear Phishing (was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH)</title>
<description>On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Stuart Gathman Wrote: &amp;gt;On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Steven Dorst wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Spear Phishing? That&amp;#039;s a new term for me. How is that differ</description>
<pubDate>21 Oct  2009 11:57:12 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35230</link>
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<title>Re: Spear Phishing (was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH)</title>
<description>On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Steven Dorst wrote: &amp;gt; Spear Phishing? That&amp;#039;s a new term for me. How is that different from &amp;gt; Phishing? Spear Phishing is aimed</description>
<pubDate>21 Oct  2009 11:15:21 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35229</link>
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<title>Spear Phishing (was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH)</title>
<description>--On 19 October 2009 07:01:57 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;snip&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;The one thing that particularly concerns me at the mo</description>
<pubDate>21 Oct  2009 06:33:45 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35226</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; --On 16 October 2009 21:37:20 -0400 Hector Santos &amp;gt; &amp;lt;spf-discuss@winserver.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;    http://www.winserver.</description>
<pubDate>21 Oct  2009 06:00:13 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35224</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 19 October 2009 07:01:57 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Would have&amp;quot; is not enough. Too many websites like this are</description>
<pubDate>21 Oct  2009 03:27:35 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35223</link>
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<title>Re: Mail sent from web application goes into hotmail’s INBOX, and from Outlook it goes to SPAM</title>
<description>Gino Cerullo &amp;lt;gcerullo &amp;lt;at&amp;gt; pixelpointstudios.com&amp;gt; writes: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I see no evidence that the problem is due to SPF. Have you tried  &amp;gt; contacting Hotma</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 13:44:43 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35207</link>
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<title>Re: Mail sent from web application goes into hotmail’s INBOX, and from Outlook it goes to SPAM</title>
<description>At 17:48 19/10/2009 Monday, Jeff wrote: &amp;gt;First of all, I would like to thank those who have responded and note that I &amp;gt;changed the title of the subj</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 10:28:19 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35200</link>
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<title>Re: Mail sent from web application goes into hotmail&#039;s INBOX, and from Outlook it goes to SPAM</title>
<description>On 19-Oct-09, at 12:48 PM, Jeff wrote: &amp;gt; First of all, I would like to thank those who have responded and  &amp;gt; note that I &amp;gt; changed the title of the</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 10:01:03 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35199</link>
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<title>Mail sent from web application goes into hotmail’s INBOX, and from Outlook it goes to SPAM</title>
<description>First of all, I would like to thank those who have responded and note that I changed the title of the subject to reflect the latest situation. Pleas</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 09:48:07 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35198</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; --On 16 October 2009 14:27:28 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;gt; &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; OK, I think I understand now w</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 07:01:57 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35197</link>
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<title>Re: Tracking userids --was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Alessandro Vesely wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; 2) Do you [think to] publish that data? &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Yep. I imagine that sender reputation services will become as &amp;gt;&amp;gt; widespre</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 07:00:41 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35196</link>
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<title>Re: Tracking userids --was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 19 October 2009 14:06:37 +0200 Alessandro Vesely &amp;lt;vesely@tana.it&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m not talking about what we do at Sussex[...</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 06:43:22 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35195</link>
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<title>Re: Tracking userids --was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; I&amp;#039;m not talking about what we do at Sussex[...] Ooops, I misunderstood your words :-( &amp;gt; I mean that you don&amp;#039;t need a comprehens</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 05:06:37 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35194</link>
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<title>Re: Tracking userids --was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 17 October 2009 15:06:11 +0200 Alessandro Vesely &amp;lt;vesely@tana.it&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Without having some kind of worldwide individ</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 02:35:14 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35193</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 16 October 2009 19:06:02 -0400 Sanford Whiteman &amp;lt;sandy@cypressintegrated.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; How do the spammers know? Well, as soon as they infect</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 02:19:11 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35192</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 16 October 2009 14:27:28 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;http://www.scamnailer.info/&amp;gt; has a script that will updat</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 02:13:38 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35191</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 16 October 2009 21:37:20 -0400 Hector Santos &amp;lt;spf-discuss@winserver.com&amp;gt; wrote:  &amp;gt; &amp;gt;    http://www.winserver.com/public/antispam &amp;gt; &amp;gt; So I t</description>
<pubDate>19 Oct  2009 02:02:09 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35190</link>
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<title>Re: Several domains, one webserver/mailserver, same IP Address</title>
<description>At 04:58 18/10/2009 Sunday, Sanford Whiteman wrote: &amp;gt;You should use the tests at http://www.kitterman.com/spf/validate.html &amp;gt;to check your prospectiv</description>
<pubDate>18 Oct  2009 08:03:30 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35189</link>
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<title>SPF Mail Summary Report</title>
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<pubDate>17 Oct  2009 23:00:03 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35188</link>
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<title>Re: Several domains, one webserver/mailserver, same IP Address</title>
<description>You should use the tests at http://www.kitterman.com/spf/validate.html to check your prospective records. From a glance at compatibleweb.com, I thin</description>
<pubDate>17 Oct  2009 20:58:23 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35187</link>
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<title>Several domains, one webserver/mailserver, same IP Address</title>
<description>Dear sirs: 1) I have a webserver/mail server that runs on a single IP address. 2) The domain is compatibleweb.com (mail.compatibleweb.com) 3) I hav</description>
<pubDate>17 Oct  2009 20:26:31 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35186</link>
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<title>Tracking userids --was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Without having some kind of worldwide individual identity system, it just &amp;gt;&amp;gt; can&amp;#039;t be done. &amp;gt; &amp;gt; No, we can. At the university</description>
<pubDate>17 Oct  2009 06:06:11 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35185</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Hector Santos wrote: &amp;gt; Anyway, some clear results of this research did help mold our anti-spam &amp;gt; products are: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;  - The majority of the filters</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 19:15:37 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35184</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote:  &amp;gt; &amp;gt; --On 16 October 2009 10:11:50 -0400 &amp;quot;Stuart D. Gathman&amp;quot; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; The REJECT itself is the feedback. The spammer manually &amp;gt;&amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 18:37:20 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35183</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>It is good to see a rebirth of SPF + DKIM integration discussions. The issue, as it always been, is the complexity and the different ways and &amp;quot;philo</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 18:06:58 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35182</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>&amp;gt; How do the spammers know? Well, as soon as they infect a PC, they &amp;gt; get all the addresses from the M$ AddressBook and phone home. +1 on the prev</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 16:06:02 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35181</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Stuart D. Gathman wrote: &amp;gt; On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, David MacQuigg wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;  &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Absolutely, but you want to check the DKIM signature before applying</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 16:02:18 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35180</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, David MacQuigg wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Absolutely, but you want to check the DKIM signature before applying the &amp;gt; &amp;gt; whitelist. Otherwise, eve</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 15:11:37 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35179</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; --On 16 October 2009 08:08:22 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;gt; &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; --On 14</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 14:27:28 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35178</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 16 October 2009 08:08:22 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; --On 14 October 2009 15:08:15 -0700</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 09:48:55 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35177</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; --On 14 October 2009 15:08:15 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;gt; &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; OK, I think I understand now what</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 08:08:22 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35176</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 16 October 2009 10:11:50 -0400 &amp;quot;Stuart D. Gathman&amp;quot; &amp;lt;stuart@bmsi.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; The common criteri</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 07:41:43 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35175</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The common criterion for dropping is that by rejecting you are providing &amp;gt; &amp;gt; a free test machine for spam</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 07:11:50 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35174</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 14 October 2009 15:08:15 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; OK, I think I understand now what you mean by &amp;quot;sender&amp;quot;. Se</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 02:29:32 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35173</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 14 October 2009 20:35:16 +0200 Alessandro Vesely &amp;lt;vesely@tana.it&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; One strategy I&amp;#039;m considering is to start reje</description>
<pubDate>16 Oct  2009 02:17:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>alan wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; The common criterion for dropping is that by rejecting you are providing a free test machine for spammers to keep trying various altern</description>
<pubDate>15 Oct  2009 23:27:06 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35171</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; --On 13 October 2009 10:25:15 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;gt; &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; --On 13 October</description>
<pubDate>14 Oct  2009 15:08:15 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35170</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>At 19:35 14/10/2009 Wednesday, Alessandro Vesely wrote: &amp;gt;Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;One strategy I&amp;#039;m considering is to start rejecting content filtered &amp;gt;&amp;gt;</description>
<pubDate>14 Oct  2009 11:59:56 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35169</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; One strategy I&amp;#039;m considering is to start rejecting content filtered &amp;gt;&amp;gt; email (at end of message) &amp;gt; &amp;gt; We do that. We don&amp;#039;t quara</description>
<pubDate>14 Oct  2009 11:35:16 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/discuss/35168</link>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 13 October 2009 10:25:15 -0700 David MacQuigg &amp;lt;macquigg@ece.arizona.edu&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; --On 13 October 2009 13:39:44 +0200 Ale</description>
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<description>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The advantage is that it permits trusted traditional forwarding. Which is &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; what&amp;#039;s missing with SPF</description>
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<description>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; While gmail.com has so far managed to keep spammers under enough control &amp;gt; &amp;gt; to avoid a seriously bad rep</description>
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<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; --On 13 October 2009 13:39:44 +0200 Alessandro Vesely &amp;lt;vesely@tana.it&amp;gt; &amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; David MacQuigg wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote:</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 13 October 2009 08:41:54 -0400 &amp;quot;Stuart D. Gathman&amp;quot; &amp;lt;stuart@bmsi.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Nobody would be daft</description>
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<description>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; Nobody would be daft enough to assign anything but neutral reputation to the &amp;gt; gmail.com domain, would they</description>
<pubDate>13 Oct  2009 05:41:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 13 October 2009 13:39:44 +0200 Alessandro Vesely &amp;lt;vesely@tana.it&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; David MacQuigg wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; If SPF fails, then l</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>David MacQuigg wrote: &amp;gt; Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; If SPF fails, then look for a DKIM signature. If you get a good one, &amp;gt;&amp;gt; you&amp;#039;re likely seeing traditiona</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>--On 12 October 2009 12:37:30 -0400 &amp;quot;Stuart D. Gathman&amp;quot; &amp;lt;stuart@bmsi.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Then what&amp;#039;s the ad</description>
<pubDate>13 Oct  2009 01:53:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; This is where I think you go astray. DKIM has no requirement for the &amp;quot;d&amp;quot; &amp;gt; domain and the body from dom</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 17:44:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; So I</description>
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<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:20:07 -0400 (EDT) &amp;quot;Stuart D. Gathman&amp;quot; &amp;lt;stuart@bmsi.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;Without givi</description>
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<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; So I still need to accept the message body to determine if it passed? Sometimes. Here&amp;#039;s the matrix: S</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 10:05:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Then what&amp;#039;s the advantge over SPF? &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The advantage is that it permits trusted traditional forwarding.</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; OK,</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;Without giving up SPF&amp;#039;s mailing list FP immunity, it gains the same &amp;gt; &amp;gt;forwarding FP immunity DKIM/ADS</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 09:20:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; OK, then what is the sender signing? The signature will lock down the same things as in DKIM/ADSP -- th</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 09:14:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;But</description>
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<description>Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Then what&amp;#039;s the advantge over SPF? &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The advantage is that it permits trusted traditional forwarding. Which &amp;gt; is what&amp;#039;s mi</description>
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<description>--On 12 October 2009 10:07:54 -0400 Scott Kitterman &amp;lt;scott@kitterman.com&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;gt; &amp;lt;m</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;But, *so* *does* *SPF*. And it&amp;#039;s this very property that gives SPF its &amp;gt; &amp;gt;immunity to mailing list FPs</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Alessandro Vesely wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Alessandro Vesely wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Relayers are free to change the MAIL FROM:, and far from blocking them from &amp;gt; &amp;gt; changing it, if they</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 07:00:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Michael Deutschmann wrote: &amp;gt; By envelope signature I don&amp;#039;t mean a signature that *protects* the MAIL &amp;gt; FROM:/Return-Path: from modifications -- that</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 06:25:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; How does this happen? Mail from is a property of the SMTP dialogue that is &amp;gt; only added to the message</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 05:36:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sinc</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; Since mailing lists use their own envelope from, I guess I&amp;#039;m missing &amp;gt; something here. What would your</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 04:01:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Michael Deutschmann wrote: &amp;gt; I have a hard-fail DK record, since my commonsense understanding was that &amp;gt; people who subscribe to mailing lists must w</description>
<pubDate>12 Oct  2009 03:18:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt;On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, David MacQuigg wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; I bel</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, David MacQuigg wrote: &amp;gt; I believe it is possible to reject as soon as you see the DKIM-Signature &amp;gt; header, but the problem will b</description>
<pubDate>11 Oct  2009 03:50:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Michael Deutschmann wrote: &amp;gt; On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: &amp;gt; (regarding a DKIM flag for SPF) &amp;gt;  &amp;gt;&amp;gt; This can&amp;#039;t be verified until the e</description>
<pubDate>11 Oct  2009 02:53:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<pubDate>10 Oct  2009 23:00:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: (regarding a DKIM flag for SPF) &amp;gt; This can&amp;#039;t be verified until the entire message is received. If you kn</description>
<pubDate>10 Oct  2009 21:03:13 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On fre 09 okt 2009 12:06:22 CEST, Alessandro Vesely wrote &amp;gt; As Scott says, the problem is that most mailing lists modify the  &amp;gt; message in ways that</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>Stuart D. Gathman wrote: &amp;gt; On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Michael Deutschmann wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; If I understand DKIM correctly, DKIM validators are to ignore DKIM &amp;gt;&amp;gt; si</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Ian Eiloart wrote: &amp;gt; This doesn&amp;#039;t need a new protocol. When receiving messages, you should apply &amp;gt; SPF and DKIM tests, and apply r</description>
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<description>--On 6 October 2009 20:49:44 -0700 Michael Deutschmann &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; On Tue, 6</description>
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<description>On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote: &amp;gt; On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;gt; &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: &amp;gt; ...</description>
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<description>On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Michael Deutschmann &amp;lt;michael@talamasca.ocis.net&amp;gt; wrote: ... &amp;gt;But, the reason DKIM-ADSP suffers mailing list F</description>
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<title>Re: SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Michael Deutschmann wrote: &amp;gt; If I understand DKIM correctly, DKIM validators are to ignore DKIM &amp;gt; signatures that sign what, to t</description>
<pubDate>06 Oct  2009 20:16:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>SPF, DKIM, and NIH</title>
<description>I hinted at the following as an aside in my Forwarder Mitigation proposals, but no one really picked up on the idea. So I&amp;#039;m going to repeat it more d</description>
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<title>Re: small dought in gmail</title>
<description>On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Hannah Schroeter wrote: &amp;gt; &amp;gt;Seriously, get a static IP and set up your own mail domain and MTA. &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Perhaps even more seriously:</description>
<pubDate>24 Sep  2009 10:58:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Re: small dought in gmail</title>
<description>On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 19:34 +0530, ganeshkumar ijjada wrote: &amp;gt; sir my name ganesh kumar i wanna know about in gmail how to send a &amp;gt; message to no.of p</description>
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<title>Re: small dought in gmail</title>
<description>Hi! On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:31:07AM -0400, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: &amp;gt;On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, ganeshkumar ijjada wrote: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; sir my name ganesh kumar i</description>
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<description>On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, ganeshkumar ijjada wrote: &amp;gt; sir my name ganesh kumar i wanna know about in gmail how to send a &amp;gt; message to no.of person&amp;#039;s at a</description>
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<title>Re: small dought in gmail</title>
<description>At 15:04 23/09/2009 Wednesday, ganeshkumar ijjada wrote: &amp;gt;sir my name ganesh kumar i wanna know about in gmail how to send a &amp;gt;message to no.of person</description>
<pubDate>23 Sep  2009 08:05:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<description>sir my name ganesh kumar i wanna know about in gmail how to send a message to no.of person&amp;#039;s at a time (above 100000)to my use my mail id plz reply im</description>
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