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julian at mehnle

Aug 20, 2008, 12:01 PM

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jSPF 0.9.6 passing RFC 4408 test suite 2007.05; no more "reference implementations"!

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Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> with 2008.08 jSPF 0.9.6 fails the macromania test because %- and %_ are
> incorrectly expanded to - and _.
> I fixed that as soon as I saw the macromania test in openspf testsuite.
>
> [...]
>
> jSPF 0.9.6 conforms to (and includes) rfc4408-tests-2007.05.yml
> The next release will pass the current specification. The only known
> issue with jSPF 0.9.6 is the macro expansion above.

Got it. I listed jSPF as compliant with 2007.05 since 0.9.6:

http://www.openspf.org/Implementations

In the process, I removed the entire "reference implementations" section.
It was controversial from the beginning, and its entire purpose was to
get the old Mail::SPF::Query deprecated gracefully, which once upon a
time actually _was_ the reference implementation. It would have been
hard to overcome M:S:Q's "reference implementation" character without
serving any replacement, however now that we do have a number of high
quality implementations as well as a solid compliance testing concept
(the test suite with its release scheme), there isn't a need for having
dedicated "reference implementations" anymore.

> [...]
> At ASF (Apache Software Foundation) we have a strict release process
> and we never recommend the use of snapshots and we never point users to
> nightlies or snapshots.

So let's NOT say anything like "2008.08: trunk" in addition to "2007.05:
since 0.9.6".

> If you tell me that it won't take 2 more years to update the page I'll
> ask a new run as soon as we'll release 0.9.7. We'll probably wait a bit
> more because we want to include newer dns libraries so to fix any
> Kaminsky DNS vulnerability and a race issue in the asynchronous version
> of our resolver.

Please do. Now that we've reasonably established that 0.9.6 passes
2007.05, there's little speaking against giving you the benefit of the
doubt and _right_away_ listing 0.9.7 as passing 2008.08, but that might
confuse users who then go looking for 0.9.7 despite it not having been
released yet.

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apache at bago

Aug 21, 2008, 12:53 AM

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Re: jSPF 0.9.6 passing RFC 4408 test suite 2007.05; no more "reference implementations"! [In reply to]

Julian Mehnle ha scritto:
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> Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>> with 2008.08 jSPF 0.9.6 fails the macromania test because %- and %_ are
>> incorrectly expanded to - and _.
>> I fixed that as soon as I saw the macromania test in openspf testsuite.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> jSPF 0.9.6 conforms to (and includes) rfc4408-tests-2007.05.yml
>> The next release will pass the current specification. The only known
>> issue with jSPF 0.9.6 is the macro expansion above.
>
> Got it. I listed jSPF as compliant with 2007.05 since 0.9.6:
>
> http://www.openspf.org/Implementations

:-)

> In the process, I removed the entire "reference implementations" section.
> It was controversial from the beginning, and its entire purpose was to
> get the old Mail::SPF::Query deprecated gracefully, which once upon a
> time actually _was_ the reference implementation. It would have been
> hard to overcome M:S:Q's "reference implementation" character without
> serving any replacement, however now that we do have a number of high
> quality implementations as well as a solid compliance testing concept
> (the test suite with its release scheme), there isn't a need for having
> dedicated "reference implementations" anymore.

make sense.

>> [...]
>> At ASF (Apache Software Foundation) we have a strict release process
>> and we never recommend the use of snapshots and we never point users to
>> nightlies or snapshots.
>
> So let's NOT say anything like "2008.08: trunk" in addition to "2007.05:
> since 0.9.6".

that's perfect.

>> If you tell me that it won't take 2 more years to update the page I'll
>> ask a new run as soon as we'll release 0.9.7. We'll probably wait a bit
>> more because we want to include newer dns libraries so to fix any
>> Kaminsky DNS vulnerability and a race issue in the asynchronous version
>> of our resolver.
>
> Please do. Now that we've reasonably established that 0.9.6 passes
> 2007.05, there's little speaking against giving you the benefit of the
> doubt and _right_away_ listing 0.9.7 as passing 2008.08, but that might
> confuse users who then go looking for 0.9.7 despite it not having been
> released yet.

I agree that it is better to not list 0.9.7 until we officially release it.

Thank you,
Stefano


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apache at bago

Jun 26, 2009, 5:40 AM

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Re: jSPF 0.9.6 passing RFC 4408 test suite 2007.05; no more "reference implementations"! [In reply to]

We just released jSPF 0.9.7 passing both rfc4408-tests-2008.08.yml and
current trunk's rfc4408-tests.yml.

Please update the Implementations page, when you have time.

Stefano

PS: the openspf website is currently down.

Stefano Bagnara ha scritto:
> Julian Mehnle ha scritto:
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>> Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>>> with 2008.08 jSPF 0.9.6 fails the macromania test because %- and %_ are
>>> incorrectly expanded to - and _.
>>> I fixed that as soon as I saw the macromania test in openspf testsuite.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> jSPF 0.9.6 conforms to (and includes) rfc4408-tests-2007.05.yml
>>> The next release will pass the current specification. The only known
>>> issue with jSPF 0.9.6 is the macro expansion above.
>>
>> Got it. I listed jSPF as compliant with 2007.05 since 0.9.6:
>>
>> http://www.openspf.org/Implementations
>
> :-)
>
>> In the process, I removed the entire "reference implementations"
>> section. It was controversial from the beginning, and its entire
>> purpose was to get the old Mail::SPF::Query deprecated gracefully,
>> which once upon a time actually _was_ the reference implementation.
>> It would have been hard to overcome M:S:Q's "reference implementation"
>> character without serving any replacement, however now that we do have
>> a number of high quality implementations as well as a solid compliance
>> testing concept (the test suite with its release scheme), there isn't
>> a need for having dedicated "reference implementations" anymore.
>
> make sense.
>
>>> [...]
>>> At ASF (Apache Software Foundation) we have a strict release process
>>> and we never recommend the use of snapshots and we never point users to
>>> nightlies or snapshots.
>>
>> So let's NOT say anything like "2008.08: trunk" in addition to
>> "2007.05: since 0.9.6".
>
> that's perfect.
>
>>> If you tell me that it won't take 2 more years to update the page I'll
>>> ask a new run as soon as we'll release 0.9.7. We'll probably wait a
>>> bit more because we want to include newer dns libraries so to fix any
>>> Kaminsky DNS vulnerability and a race issue in the asynchronous version
>>> of our resolver.
>>
>> Please do. Now that we've reasonably established that 0.9.6 passes
>> 2007.05, there's little speaking against giving you the benefit of the
>> doubt and _right_away_ listing 0.9.7 as passing 2008.08, but that
>> might confuse users who then go looking for 0.9.7 despite it not
>> having been released yet.
>
> I agree that it is better to not list 0.9.7 until we officially release it.
>
> Thank you,
> Stefano



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