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michael.scheidell at secnap

Aug 29, 2011, 9:26 AM

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sa users list down due to irene?

is sa-users list down?
haven't seen a post since the 26th.

note: I have an update to bug 6655. a patch to sa-update as well as Util.pm
<https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6655>

note: patch is against sa-update.raw, but seems to work on
../bin/sa-update as well.




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AJezierski at stepan

Aug 29, 2011, 9:46 AM

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Re: sa users list down due to irene? [In reply to]

Michael Scheidell <michael.scheidell [at] secnap> wrote on 08/29/2011
11:26:28 AM:

> From: Michael Scheidell <michael.scheidell [at] secnap>
> To: SpamAssassin Users List <users [at] spamassassin>
> Date: 08/29/2011 11:27 AM
> Subject: sa users list down due to irene?
>
> is sa-users list down?
> haven't seen a post since the 26th.
>
> note: I have an update to bug 6655. a patch to sa-update as well as
Util.pm
> <https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6655>
>
> note: patch is against sa-update.raw, but seems to work on
> ../bin/sa-update as well.
>


Looks like it's up. I've only received one post on the 27th and this post.
Last post on the 26th was about 4:30CDT.

Andy


michael.scheidell at secnap

Aug 29, 2011, 10:56 AM

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Re: sa users list down due to irene? [In reply to]

On 8/29/11 12:46 PM, Andy Jezierski wrote:
>
> Looks like it's up. I've only received one post on the 27th and this
> post. Last post on the 26th was about 4:30CDT.
>
> Andy
just figured it out.

its that qmail bug.
the 10 year old one where if an mx is down for maint, qmail won't try
other mx records.
(sorta)
if the FIRST TIME qmail sends an email, it hits mx1, it seems to 'stick'
there, and will NEVER try mx2,3, or 4.

we run into this all the time.

is it a bug? depending on who you ask.
if it prevents sending email to RFC compliant mail servers, than I think
its a bug.
if it violates RFC's so badly, that it prevents sending email to RFC
compliant mail servers, than I think its a bug.
<http://www.mail-archive.com/qmail [at] id/msg45399.html>

there are 'UNOFFICIAL' patches out there to help qmail conform to RFC's
in this area, but 10 years and counting, its never made it into the
official build.

causes a lot of anger, back and forth when this patch is discussed.




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dfs at roaringpenguin

Aug 29, 2011, 11:13 AM

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Re: sa users list down due to irene? [In reply to]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:56:14 -0400
Michael Scheidell <michael.scheidell [at] secnap> wrote:

> is it a bug? depending on who you ask.

I would say it's clearly a bug.

> there are 'UNOFFICIAL' patches out there to help qmail conform to
> RFC's in this area, but 10 years and counting, its never made it into
> the official build.

Is anyone even maintaining qmail any more? I thought the project was dead.

(I have a particular dislike for qmail because we've had to work
around several of its bugs^Wpeculiarities. I wish it would just go
away.)

Regards,

David.


michael.scheidell at secnap

Aug 29, 2011, 11:33 AM

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Re: sa users list down due to irene? [In reply to]

On 8/29/11 2:13 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
> Is anyone even maintaining qmail any more? I thought the project was dead.
> I wish it would just go
> away.)

I wish ASF would stop using it for its mailing lists, or just apply all
the patches that seem to be needed to make it 'play nice' with the rest
of the world.
(ok, I don't care if it plays nice with aol/hotmail/etc, you get free
email? you get what you pay for).

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me at junc

Aug 29, 2011, 2:59 PM

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Re: sa users list down due to irene? [In reply to]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:33:31 -0400, Michael Scheidell wrote:

> (ok, I don't care if it plays nice with aol/hotmail/etc, you get free
> email? you get what you pay for).

remember to be nice, else free things would go away, like irene
drinking vodka :)


lawrencewilliams at nl

Aug 29, 2011, 5:49 PM

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Re: sa users list down due to irene? [In reply to]

On 29/08/2011 4:03 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote:
> On 8/29/11 2:13 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
>> Is anyone even maintaining qmail any more? I thought the project was
>> dead.
>> I wish it would just go
>> away.)
>
> I wish ASF would stop using it for its mailing lists, or just apply
> all the patches that seem to be needed to make it 'play nice' with the
> rest of the world.
> (ok, I don't care if it plays nice with aol/hotmail/etc, you get free
> email? you get what you pay for).
>
What about Yahoo, which is not only freemail, but also used by the
biggest ISP here in Canada (Rogers)?

Unfortunately, talking about RFC compliance is all well and good, but
not everybody will be. It's like HTML and CSS support in browsers.
Everyone has a different level of compliance. Some are average, and some
are pretty spot on (Firefox and KTML-based tech such as webkit).

- Lawrence

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