mic at npgx
Jan 27, 2010, 6:08 PM
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Re: [Sare-users] painting everybody in Taiwan with the same brush
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Hi Jidanni,
> Long ago, I tried mailing directly direct-to-mx style, but that of
> course didn't work, e.g., http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL109625
> So only 5% of my mail got through.
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> So then I tried mailing through The ISP Here, Hinet.Net's SMTP
> server, but of course Hinet.Net has a bad name. So only 50% of my
> mail got through.
>
> So, upon people like you guy's recommendation, I (asked my mom to
> buy) me a dreamhost.com account.
>
> However I can't shake off the Original Sin of Being in Taiwan. All
> people with Taiwan Colored Skin will have points deducted, no matter
> what. We use the Telephone Company's ISP.
>
> >>>>> "J" == Jailer-Daemon <bofh [at] connect> writes:
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> J> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:30:28AM -0500,
> <msherman [at] projectile> wrote:
> >>
> >> He's using an SMTP relay
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> J> He is, but it isn't a Hinet relay. At least not in the URL he
> gave. J> It should be possible to relay out from your own ISP and
> not score J> anything on SARE rules, without having to pay extra for
> "clean" SMTP J> relaying (which is what seems to be happening here).
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> Now you guys are saying I should go back to using Hinet.Net's SMTP, even
> though my mom has already paid a 5 year contract for me at Dreamhost.
There are various people on this list from various countries, not everyone was
giving the same recommendation.
> >> The rule is buggy -- it's looking at all the
> >> received headers, even the ones before the relay.
>
> Yes, and what may seem like a mere 1.6 points is causing me to have
> to request the whole spam threshold of that mailing list
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.eeepc/2850/raw be
> lowered just for me, just because my mail is being tagged with a stupid
> looking "mail Made in Taiwan, penalty 1.666 points" that I can't do
> anything about, thanks to you guys and no one else.
Why couldn't the mailing list filters simply whitelist your email address or
whitelist people automatically subscribed to the mailing list?
> Also, I wonder why lots of my mail doesn't seem to get through to
> people... and no, I don't want to bother them with various test
> messages. Perhaps it is all again due to your sloppy rules?
The world isn't perfect and the only way to get things changed is to complaint
and/or do something about it yourself. But to blanket criticise rules that
many sites are using worldwide doesn't really make sense to me.
It may not be your fault you're using an ISP which is known to generate spam
and/or have lax rules in combating spam from it's users, but if you know the
problems with the ISP and you continue to use them then how can you complain
here? you need to complain to the ISP.
> Actually, I could figure out some underhanded methods to get around
> being detected as living in a Undesirable Country, but if ever
> detected, I would surely get penalized even more points.
Two wrongs never make a right, try it and you'll learn that :)
Regards,
Michael.
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