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achen at harbourfrontcentre

Nov 26, 2009, 2:12 PM

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which free RBL do you use?

Hi, all
I didn't touch my spamassassin server for almost one year.
It's still running and filtering spam without any problems.
But I think things are changed a lot. I'm using 3.2.4.
So I am asking which free RBLs you guys are still using.

Thank you,

Allen

kremels at kreme

Nov 26, 2009, 3:29 PM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On Nov 26, 2009, at 15:12, Allen Chen <achen [at] harbourfrontcentre>
wrote:

> which free RBLs you guys are still using.

Zen is the only one I use.

uhlar at fantomas

Nov 27, 2009, 3:27 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On 26.11.09 17:12, Allen Chen wrote:
> I didn't touch my spamassassin server for almost one year.
> It's still running and filtering spam without any problems.
> But I think things are changed a lot. I'm using 3.2.4.
> So I am asking which free RBLs you guys are still using.

first upgrade to 3.2.5.
then run sa-update.

THEN ask about RBLs.
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richard at buzzhost

Nov 27, 2009, 4:19 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 12:27 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> On 26.11.09 17:12, Allen Chen wrote:
> > I didn't touch my spamassassin server for almost one year.
> > It's still running and filtering spam without any problems.
> > But I think things are changed a lot. I'm using 3.2.4.
> > So I am asking which free RBLs you guys are still using.
>
> first upgrade to 3.2.5.
> then run sa-update.
>
> THEN ask about RBLs.
That would be DNSBL's. RBL is a registered trademark AFAIR.

uhlar at fantomas

Nov 27, 2009, 5:03 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

> > On 26.11.09 17:12, Allen Chen wrote:
> > > I didn't touch my spamassassin server for almost one year.
> > > It's still running and filtering spam without any problems.
> > > But I think things are changed a lot. I'm using 3.2.4.
> > > So I am asking which free RBLs you guys are still using.

> On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 12:27 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > first upgrade to 3.2.5.
> > then run sa-update.
> >
> > THEN ask about RBLs.

On 27.11.09 12:19, richard [at] buzzhost wrote:
> That would be DNSBL's. RBL is a registered trademark AFAIR.

Why do you tell me? Tell the OP, I just have used the same terminology.
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richard at buzzhost

Nov 27, 2009, 7:47 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 14:03 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> Why do you tell me? Tell the OP, I just have used the same
> terminology.
Matus, why are you once more sending me off list replies?

Again, will you *please* keep your replies *ON LIST*. I pointed out that
RBL is trademark just to be an anal pedant. I'm incredibility surprised
that *you* missed the opportunity given your track record if *I* were to
do it.

rbraver at ohww

Nov 27, 2009, 7:55 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On Thursday, November 26, 2009, 4:12:57 PM, Allen Chen wrote:

AC> I didn't touch my spamassassin server for almost one year. It's
AC> still running and filtering spam without any problems. But I
AC> think things are changed a lot. I'm using 3.2.4. So I am asking
AC> which free RBLs you guys are still using.

While it's not free for larger volume/commercial use, Spamhaus ZEN
(which includes the SBL, XBL, PBL, and now CSS DNSBLs) has been
invaluable here.

I've always scored on ZEN, but recently I began moving clients to a
newer server where I am enforcing SMTP authentication. As a result,
I am now able to block based on PBL listings.

This alone has blocked about 80% of the spam outright at the SMTP
session level that was previously coming in and then being filtered
by SpamAssassin as well as ClamAV.

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me at junc

Nov 27, 2009, 8:17 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On fre 27 nov 2009 16:47:54 CET, "richard [at] buzzhost" wrote
> Matus, why are you once more sending me off list replies?
> Again, will you *please* keep your replies *ON LIST*.

priceless reply-to

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richard at buzzhost

Nov 27, 2009, 8:19 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 17:17 +0100, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> On fre 27 nov 2009 16:47:54 CET, "richard [at] buzzhost" wrote
> > Matus, why are you once more sending me off list replies?
> > Again, will you *please* keep your replies *ON LIST*.
>
> priceless reply-to
>
Priceless indeed. Everybody else can manage *not* to do it - even you.

achen at harbourfrontcentre

Nov 27, 2009, 9:08 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

Robert Braver wrote:
> On Thursday, November 26, 2009, 4:12:57 PM, Allen Chen wrote:
>
> AC> I didn't touch my spamassassin server for almost one year. It's
> AC> still running and filtering spam without any problems. But I
> AC> think things are changed a lot. I'm using 3.2.4. So I am asking
> AC> which free RBLs you guys are still using.
>
> While it's not free for larger volume/commercial use, Spamhaus ZEN
> (which includes the SBL, XBL, PBL, and now CSS DNSBLs) has been
> invaluable here.
>
> I've always scored on ZEN, but recently I began moving clients to a
> newer server where I am enforcing SMTP authentication. As a result,
> I am now able to block based on PBL listings.
>
> This alone has blocked about 80% of the spam outright at the SMTP
> session level that was previously coming in and then being filtered
> by SpamAssassin as well as ClamAV.
>
>
Thanks for all the replies.
yes, RBL, I mean DNSBL. Also I heard that configuring DNSBL in sendmail is
better than in spammassassin. because this can release some loads on
spamassassin.
Am I right?
Next, I'm going to upgrade spamassassin to 3.2.5 and try to configure
sendmail to check DNSBL.
I will try bl.spamcop.net first in sendmail. Your inputs are welcome.
I'm looking for some free
DNSBLs. We are non-profit organization and don't have too much email
traffic.

Allen

me at junc

Nov 27, 2009, 9:22 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On fre 27 nov 2009 18:08:23 CET, Allen Chen wrote
> DNSBLs. We are non-profit organization and don't have too much email traffic.

install bind, check spamhaus dnsbl in sendmail, add more internal spam
tests in sendmail, dont add to much dnsbl in sendmail, and i have
found spamcop is more for spamassassin not for mta, but imho zen is
mta safe

rule of thump is dont use dns forwards, use localhost, with do hint
glue ns finding for you and spreed load over more then usely your isp
2 nameservers

as obama says, yes you can :)

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rbraver at ohww

Nov 27, 2009, 9:23 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:08:23 AM, Allen Chen wrote:

AC> Thanks for all the replies. yes, RBL, I mean DNSBL. Also I heard
AC> that configuring DNSBL in sendmail is better than in
AC> spammassassin. because this can release some loads on
AC> spamassassin. Am I right?

For some DNSBLs, yes. For others, you want to allow SpamAssassin to
score them.

As long as you are bypassing DNSBL checks for authenticated clients,
you can safely block everything at SMTP session level with ZEN. In
turn, I disable the Spamhaus ZEN checks in SA, as there's no point
in querying ZEN twice when everything that shows up there is bloked
before it gets to SA.

AC> Next, I'm going to upgrade spamassassin to 3.2.5 and try to
AC> configure sendmail to check DNSBL. I will try bl.spamcop.net
AC> first in sendmail. Your inputs are welcome. I'm looking for some
AC> free DNSBLs. We are non-profit organization and don't have too
AC> much email traffic.

Your organization should be free to use the Spamhaus DNSBLs at no
charge. I personally do not block on bl.spamcop.net, but it does add
a score of 2.0 in SA.

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uhlar at fantomas

Nov 30, 2009, 1:53 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

> On fre 27 nov 2009 18:08:23 CET, Allen Chen wrote
>> DNSBLs. We are non-profit organization and don't have too much email traffic.

On 27.11.09 18:22, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> install bind, check spamhaus dnsbl in sendmail, add more internal spam
> tests in sendmail, dont add to much dnsbl in sendmail, and i have found
> spamcop is more for spamassassin not for mta, but imho zen is mta safe

Imho, SpamCop is MTA-safe if you use it the recommended way and only use
if for temporary rejection.

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uhlar at fantomas

Nov 30, 2009, 1:56 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

> On fre 27 nov 2009 16:47:54 CET, "richard [at] buzzhost" wrote
>> Matus, why are you once more sending me off list replies?
>> Again, will you *please* keep your replies *ON LIST*.

On 27.11.09 17:17, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> priceless reply-to

Priceless? Bullshit. Useless and annoying. Breaks (or at least makes harder)
possibility for private replies.

I sometimes send private reply intentionally, when it is off-topic and/or
something people in this list don't need to see.

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bernd at firmix

Nov 30, 2009, 2:07 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:56 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > On fre 27 nov 2009 16:47:54 CET, "richard [at] buzzhost" wrote
> >> Matus, why are you once more sending me off list replies?
> >> Again, will you *please* keep your replies *ON LIST*.
The obvious is to simply ignore such private mails which are obviously
not really private - perhaps after reminding the other once.

> On 27.11.09 17:17, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> > priceless reply-to
>
> Priceless? Bullshit. Useless and annoying. Breaks (or at least makes harder)
ACK. see http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html for more.

> possibility for private replies.
I even know of average users which developed the habit of abusing the
subject to send a "private" ("personal" is probably the better name)
mail via the ML.

> I sometimes send private reply intentionally, when it is off-topic and/or
> something people in this list don't need to see.
Which is perfectly possible if one edits the To: header. But what if one
forgets it?
So Reply-To Munging is in general bad.

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richard at buzzhost

Nov 30, 2009, 3:19 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

Matus forgot to include this one he sent to me personally:

> On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 14:03 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > Why do you tell me? Tell the OP, I just have used the same
> > terminology.

On 27.11.09 15:47, richard [at] buzzhost wrote:
> Matus, why are you once more sending me off list replies?

Why do you send me any replies at all? Keep me out of your address list.

> Again, will you *please* keep your replies *ON LIST*. I pointed out
that
> RBL is trademark just to be an anal pedant. I'm incredibility
surprised
> that *you* missed the opportunity given your track record if *I* were
to
> do it.

Once again, stop being dickhead and keep off-list discussion off-list.

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I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory.

Priceless.....

me at junc

Nov 30, 2009, 10:23 AM

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Re: which free RBL do you use? [In reply to]

On man 30 nov 2009 10:56:47 CET, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote
> Priceless? Bullshit. Useless and annoying. Breaks (or at least makes harder)
> possibility for private replies.

i wont solve all worlds problems, but seem reply-to is missused allot
out there

> I sometimes send private reply intentionally, when it is off-topic and/or
> something people in this list don't need to see.

reply to a public maillist in private ?

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