richard at buzzhost
Nov 24, 2009, 11:53 PM
Post #22 of 47
(2250 views)
Permalink
|
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 00:23 -0700, LuKreme wrote:
> On 24-Nov-2009, at 15:23, Jeff Mincy wrote:
> > From: LuKreme <kremels [at] kreme>
> >> On Nov 23, 2009, at 7:39, Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar [at] fantomas>
> >
> >>> Yes, why to differ between non-abusing and abusing marketers...
> >
> >> We've been through this before. On my mail, habeas is a very strong
> >> indicator of spam. It does not appear in legitimate mail.
> >>
> > I find it a little hard to believe that your spam is so much different from
> > my spam. On my mail, not one single spam message (out of 228k total) hit
> > HABEAS for all of 2009. The few messages (480 out of 11k) that hit HABEAS
> > were all ham, either professional organizations/newsletters, transactions
> > from places like Vanguard or retail stores that I have a relationship with.
>
> I get HABEAS mail sent to email addresses that have not been active in 10 years and have never EVER signed up for anything whatsoever. I get HABEAS mail sent to new admin@ email addresses on new domains, domains that have never sent any email at all.
>
> > I don't know who these legitimate marketers are, but I don't feel I'm
> > missing anything.
> >
> > You WILL 'block' legitimate mail.
>
> No I won't, because I don't use spamassassin to BLOCK mail. I simply score it and if it scores over 5.0 it gets moved to the .SPAM folder where people are free to recover it if they want. I've never had a single complaint about HABEAS messages being misstagged as spam.
>
> > However, It's your email, so you
> > can do anything you want. If you think HABEAS is so bad just set the
> > HABEAS scores to zero and save the network bandwidth.
>
> I prefer to give it a positive score as in my tests, it is a definite spam sign
>
I absolute have to agree with this. I see it in nothing but unwanted email and spam.
Any form of commercial whitelisting = commercial mail (usually bulk and
unwanted).
A good marketing company would *not* require a whitellist, as their mail
would be fully compliant, score low and come from an IP with a good
reputation. If spammers can tick these boxes, a paid for ESP should have
no difficulty *without* the need for a white list.
|
1
