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care4u at singnet

Oct 21, 2009, 12:43 PM

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specified setup

Dear all,

I would like to host some virtual domains. I had decided to install qmail,
vpopmail, simscan, clamav, spamassassin and maildrop. I will be providing 2
types of mail packages. The first package comes with filtering, and the
second does not, depending on preference of the domain owner. For the
filtering package, if a mail scored between 5 - 20, it will be dropped into
a .Spam folder. And above 20, the mail will be deleted. A notice will be
deliver back to the sender. At any point of time, domains can switch between
the 2 types of packages. I am wondering if this toaster combination allows
me to do that and what should I take note off? Any input is appreciated.

Thanks a lot and best regards
wL.


guenther at rudersport

Oct 21, 2009, 1:16 PM

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Re: specified setup [In reply to]

On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 03:43 +0800, Care4U wrote:
> I would like to host some virtual domains. I had decided to install qmail,
> vpopmail, simscan, clamav, spamassassin and maildrop. I will be providing 2
> types of mail packages. The first package comes with filtering, and the
> second does not, depending on preference of the domain owner. For the
> filtering package, if a mail scored between 5 - 20, it will be dropped into
> a .Spam folder. And above 20, the mail will be deleted. A notice will be
> deliver back to the sender.

Don't. Seriously. Google for backscatter.

> At any point of time, domains can switch between
> the 2 types of packages. I am wondering if this toaster combination allows
> me to do that and what should I take note off? Any input is appreciated.


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Bowie_Bailey at BUC

Oct 21, 2009, 1:31 PM

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Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 03:43 +0800, Care4U wrote:
>
>> I would like to host some virtual domains. I had decided to install qmail,
>> vpopmail, simscan, clamav, spamassassin and maildrop. I will be providing 2
>> types of mail packages. The first package comes with filtering, and the
>> second does not, depending on preference of the domain owner. For the
>> filtering package, if a mail scored between 5 - 20, it will be dropped into
>> a .Spam folder. And above 20, the mail will be deleted. A notice will be
>> deliver back to the sender.
>>
>
> Don't. Seriously. Google for backscatter.
>

I'll second that. Once you've accepted the incoming mail, don't try to
send spam or virus rejection notices back to the sender. Since spam and
viruses almost always have fake senders, the messages are not going to
be sent to the right person.

If you can do the spam and virus scanning during the original smtp
transaction, you can reject viruses and high-scoring spam with a 5xx
error at that point, but once your server accepts the mail, your choices
are to deliver it (to the inbox or a spam folder) or delete it.

--
Bowie


kremels at kreme

Oct 21, 2009, 6:20 PM

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On 21-Oct-2009, at 14:31, Bowie Bailey wrote:
> If you can do the spam and virus scanning during the original smtp
> transaction, you can reject viruses and high-scoring spam with a 5xx
> error at that point, but once your server accepts the mail, your
> choices
> are to deliver it (to the inbox or a spam folder) or delete it.


And if you are accepting mail for other people, think long and hard
before you delete it. You are much better off tagging it and
delivering it to a spam mailbox and letting the user either delete it,
recover it, or ignore it. You could do something like delete all
messages in the Spam folder after 7 days, or 21 days; but once you
accept an email for someone else, you had probably best deliver it to
them, regardless of how sure you are it's unwanted because sure
enough, at some point you'll be wrong and it will, of course, be the
most important email your client ever got and they have to have it
right now or they will lose a $15,000,000 deal and what the hell are
you going to do about it and who cares if it scored 42.9 in
SpamAssassin?


--
Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?


Bowie_Bailey at BUC

Oct 22, 2009, 6:31 AM

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LuKreme wrote:
> On 21-Oct-2009, at 14:31, Bowie Bailey wrote:
>> If you can do the spam and virus scanning during the original smtp
>> transaction, you can reject viruses and high-scoring spam with a 5xx
>> error at that point, but once your server accepts the mail, your choices
>> are to deliver it (to the inbox or a spam folder) or delete it.
>
>
> And if you are accepting mail for other people, think long and hard
> before you delete it. You are much better off tagging it and
> delivering it to a spam mailbox and letting the user either delete it,
> recover it, or ignore it. You could do something like delete all
> messages in the Spam folder after 7 days, or 21 days; but once you
> accept an email for someone else, you had probably best deliver it to
> them, regardless of how sure you are it's unwanted because sure
> enough, at some point you'll be wrong and it will, of course, be the
> most important email your client ever got and they have to have it
> right now or they will lose a $15,000,000 deal and what the hell are
> you going to do about it and who cares if it scored 42.9 in SpamAssassin?

True. I only delete spam for customers who have serious spam problems
and only then after having a discussion with them regarding the
possibility of lost mail.

I scan and add the SA headers to everything that passes through my
server. It is then up to the customer to configure their MUA to sort
out the spam. For customers that get lots of spam we do a combination
of delivering low-scoring spam to their POP mailbox, holding
higher-scoring spam on the server for two weeks, and (optionally)
deleting spam with the highest scores. The score ranges are determined
on a case-by-case basis, but are generally something like 5-10, 10-20,
and 20+. This is in addition to an MTA block on the Zen blacklist
(which I have yet to have any complaints about).

--
Bowie

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