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tsmullins at wise

Oct 5, 2009, 12:42 PM

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OT bad news

We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.



Shane


dan at performanceadmin

Oct 5, 2009, 12:48 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

Thomas Mullins wrote:
>
> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
> that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.
>
>
>
> Shane
>
We are sorry to see you leave. :-(

--
Dan Schaefer
Web Developer/Systems Analyst
Performance Administration Corp.


ppbenac at emacolet

Oct 5, 2009, 12:51 PM

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RE: OT bad news [In reply to]

Glad I don't live in Virginia!! I hate to see my tax dollars wasted
because people don't understand OpenSource.. Especially in these troubled
times.

From: Thomas Mullins [mailto:tsmullins [at] wise]
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 15:42
To: users [at] spamassassin
Subject: OT bad news

We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained enough
that my boss is going to replace our reliable FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes.
They are planning on purchasing something that runs ON Exchange. What a
bummer.

Shane


jarif at iki

Oct 5, 2009, 12:51 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years
> now. But, my coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they
> have finally complained enough that my boss is going to
> replace our reliable FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They
> are planning on purchasing something that runs ON
> Exchange. What a bummer.
>
> Shane

Indeed.

However, if you have a competent feeling about yourself, you might be tempted to search for new opportunities ;)

Nah.. you do what your boss sees is good. It's not your money, I guess.


kurt.buff at gmail

Oct 5, 2009, 1:00 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

Heh.

If you want, try to convince them to use ASSP:

http://assp.sourceforge.net/

It's open source too, but it does run on an Exchange box, from what
I've heard, and I've only ever heard good things about it.

I must say, I'm surprised, given the state of the economy, that
they've made this decision. They must think that the school district
is rich...

Kurt

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:42, Thomas Mullins <tsmullins [at] wise> wrote:
> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now.  But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource.  So they have finally complained enough
> that my boss is going to replace our reliable FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes.
> They are planning on purchasing something that runs ON Exchange.  What a
> bummer.
>
>
>
> Shane
>
>


guenther at rudersport

Oct 5, 2009, 1:00 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:42 -0400, Thomas Mullins wrote:
> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
> that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.

Wow, now that sounds like really bad news for you [1] and your coworkers
indeed. :-/ And not the second best option either...


[1] And Jefferson Davis? The k12.[cv]a.us domain coincidence today
strikes me as quite odd.

--
char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
(c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}


jdavis at standard

Oct 5, 2009, 1:13 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

There are some that still don't get the value of opensource... Go figure.

In a down economy it makes even more sense... Many of my collegues in other districts are finally taking notice, then really liking the high quality of the software once they get their feet wet.

I cannot profess to be any kind of expert (see previous post today for an example) but we've been using as much OSS as we can justify for almost 10 years now.

We just don't experience the pain that some of my exchange-using collegues do...

----- Message from guenther [at] rudersport ---------
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:00:08 +0200
From: Karsten Bräckelmann <guenther [at] rudersport>
Subject: Re: OT bad news
To: users [at] spamassassin

> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:42 -0400, Thomas Mullins wrote:
>> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
>> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
>> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
>> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
>> that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.
>
> Wow, now that sounds like really bad news for you [1] and your coworkers
> indeed. :-/ And not the second best option either...
>
>
> [1] And Jefferson Davis? The k12.[cv]a.us domain coincidence today
> strikes me as quite odd.
>
> --
> char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
> main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
> (c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
>
>

----- End message from guenther [at] rudersport -----

--
Jefferson K Davis
Technology and Information Systems Manager
Standard School District
1200 North Chester Ave
Bakersfield, CA 93308
661.392.2110

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support-spamassassin at oeko

Oct 5, 2009, 1:13 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

Hi,

On Mon, 05.10.2009 at 15:42:04 -0400, Thomas Mullins <tsmullins [at] wise> wrote:
> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes.

more OT, but I'd like to learn the details of their complaints, and
their reasoning, and/or why you could not convince them to stay with
Open Source.

> They are planning on purchasing something that runs ON Exchange.
> What a bummer.

Indeed.


My condolences,
--Toni++


sa-list at alexb

Oct 5, 2009, 1:13 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

On 10/5/2009 9:42 PM, Thomas Mullins wrote:
> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
> that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.
>

this reminds me of an ex boss who once said "Open Source is useless
because it doesn't have a GUI".

just keep a machine with your setup read to go.. for the day when their
Exchange explodes (hello GFI!!!).

good luck


jhardin at impsec

Oct 5, 2009, 1:20 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Thomas Mullins wrote:

> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
> that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.

Take bets on how much spam will start getting through. Don't let then
welch.

--
John Hardin KA7OHZ http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/
jhardin [at] impsec FALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhardin [at] impsec
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any time law enforcement becomes a revenue center, the system
becomes corrupt.
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jhardin at impsec

Oct 5, 2009, 1:23 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Jefferson Davis wrote:

> There are some that still don't get the value of opensource... Go figure.

My employer has contracts that specify "no open source".

I guess the comfort of the illusion of having somebody to sue is a strong
attraction.

--
John Hardin KA7OHZ http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/
jhardin [at] impsec FALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhardin [at] impsec
key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any time law enforcement becomes a revenue center, the system
becomes corrupt.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Approximately 9190800 firearms legally purchased in the U.S. this year


Dan.McDonald at austinenergy

Oct 5, 2009, 1:24 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 22:00 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 15:42 -0400, Thomas Mullins wrote:
> > We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> > coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> > enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> > FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
> > that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.
>
> Wow, now that sounds like really bad news for you [1] and your coworkers
> indeed. :-/ And not the second best option either...
>
>
> [1] And Jefferson Davis? The k12.[cv]a.us domain coincidence today
> strikes me as quite odd.

k12 means a school district (Elementary through High School).
California and Virginia are on opposite coasts of the US.

.us often has 4 levels, like sos.state.tx.us is the root for the Texas
Secretary of State's office. But not always. I own a couple of
example.us domains.



--
Daniel J McDonald, CCIE # 2495, CISSP # 78281, CNX
www.austinenergy.com
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guenther at rudersport

Oct 5, 2009, 1:33 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:13 -0700, Jefferson Davis wrote:
> There are some that still don't get the value of opensource... Go
> figure.
[...]
> We just don't experience the pain that some of my exchange-using
> collegues do...

Since we're off-topic anyway -- I take this response, and the mention of
"school district" earlier in this thread, that this indeed is just a
strange coincidence and infrastructural independent states.

Now, if someone could briefly enlighten me about the structure,
relation, and what the k12 means... :)


> From: Karsten Bräckelmann <guenther [at] rudersport>
> > [1] And Jefferson Davis? The k12.[cv]a.us domain coincidence today
> > strikes me as quite odd.

--
char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
(c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}


guenther at rudersport

Oct 5, 2009, 1:37 PM

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On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 22:33 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
> Since we're off-topic anyway -- I take this response, and the mention of
> "school district" earlier in this thread, that this indeed is just a
> strange coincidence and infrastructural independent states.
>
> Now, if someone could briefly enlighten me about the structure,
> relation, and what the k12 means... :)

Heh, scratch that -- I see Dan already answered this. :) Oh, and so did
someone off-list right this moment. Thanks!


--
char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
(c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}


tsmullins at wise

Oct 5, 2009, 1:49 PM

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RE: OT bad news [In reply to]

I have no explanation,

Their supposed complaint is, they don't know *nix. But my coworker and I manage those boxes, so even if one of us left, there would be at least one person to run those boxes.

SA/ClamAV has been working great. Our BSD box sits in front of the Exchange, hands off clean mail, what more could you ask for. We have two boxes, in case we need to take one down for an upgrade.

I will pull out our BSD box, and I will let them connect the Exchange box straight to the Net.

Shane


________________________________

From: Toni Mueller [mailto:support-spamassassin [at] oeko]
Sent: Mon 10/5/2009 4:13 PM
To: users [at] spamassassin
Subject: Re: OT bad news




Hi,

On Mon, 05.10.2009 at 15:42:04 -0400, Thomas Mullins <tsmullins [at] wise> wrote:
> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes.

more OT, but I'd like to learn the details of their complaints, and
their reasoning, and/or why you could not convince them to stay with
Open Source.

> They are planning on purchasing something that runs ON Exchange.
> What a bummer.

Indeed.


My condolences,
--Toni++


guenther at rudersport

Oct 5, 2009, 1:51 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:23 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
> I guess the comfort of the illusion of having somebody to sue is a strong
> attraction.

Now there's one argument to start smoking...

(SCNR, and it's probably the cold speaking anyway. ;)

--
char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
(c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}


jdavis at standard

Oct 5, 2009, 1:52 PM

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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

k12 is kindergarten through 12th grade in US schools...

----- Message from guenther [at] rudersport ---------
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:33:26 +0200
From: Karsten Bräckelmann <guenther [at] rudersport>
Subject: Re: OT bad news
To: users [at] spamassassin

> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:13 -0700, Jefferson Davis wrote:
>> There are some that still don't get the value of opensource... Go
>> figure.
> [...]
>> We just don't experience the pain that some of my exchange-using
>> collegues do...
>
> Since we're off-topic anyway -- I take this response, and the mention of
> "school district" earlier in this thread, that this indeed is just a
> strange coincidence and infrastructural independent states.
>
> Now, if someone could briefly enlighten me about the structure,
> relation, and what the k12 means... :)
>
>
>> From: Karsten Bräckelmann <guenther [at] rudersport>
>> > [1] And Jefferson Davis? The k12.[cv]a.us domain coincidence today
>> > strikes me as quite odd.
>
> --
> char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
> main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
> (c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
>
>

----- End message from guenther [at] rudersport -----

--
Jefferson K Davis
Technology and Information Systems Manager
Standard School District
1200 North Chester Ave
Bakersfield, CA 93308
661.392.2110

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Dan.McDonald at austinenergy

Oct 5, 2009, 2:09 PM

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RE: OT bad news [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 16:49 -0400, Thomas Mullins wrote:
> I have no explanation,

> I will pull out our BSD box, and I will let them connect the Exchange
> box straight to the Net.

They probably just want to connect their iPhones to the exchange server
with Active-Sync, and couldn't be bothered with asking you to set up
authentication so that it would work. Dovecot authenticating against
Active-Directory would have been fine.... But PHB's always know best.

But do keep your boxes available, for when their servers melt into a
puddle....


--
Daniel J McDonald, CCIE # 2495, CISSP # 78281, CNX
www.austinenergy.com
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jhardin at impsec

Oct 5, 2009, 2:11 PM

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Thomas Mullins wrote:

> I will pull out our BSD box, and I will let them connect the Exchange
> box straight to the Net.

Second bet: how long it takes after doing that before the box is 0wned.

Of course, if you admin that box too, that bet might be shooting yourself
in the foot... :)

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cannot help small men by tearing down big men. You cannot
strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot lift the
wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer. You cannot help the
poor man by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by
spending more than your income. You cannot further the brotherhood
of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot establish security on
borrowed money. You cannot build character and courage by taking
away men's initiative and independence. You cannot help men
permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for
themselves. -- William J. H. Boetcker
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tsmullins at wise

Oct 5, 2009, 2:12 PM

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Not my box,

I am on the network side of things....

Shane


________________________________

From: John Hardin [mailto:jhardin [at] impsec]
Sent: Mon 10/5/2009 5:11 PM
To: users [at] spamassassin
Cc: Toni Mueller
Subject: RE: OT bad news



On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Thomas Mullins wrote:

> I will pull out our BSD box, and I will let them connect the Exchange
> box straight to the Net.

Second bet: how long it takes after doing that before the box is 0wned.

Of course, if you admin that box too, that bet might be shooting yourself
in the foot... :)

--
John Hardin KA7OHZ http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/
jhardin [at] impsec FALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhardin [at] impsec
key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You
cannot help small men by tearing down big men. You cannot
strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot lift the
wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer. You cannot help the
poor man by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by
spending more than your income. You cannot further the brotherhood
of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot establish security on
borrowed money. You cannot build character and courage by taking
away men's initiative and independence. You cannot help men
permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for
themselves. -- William J. H. Boetcker
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Approximately 9192180 firearms legally purchased in the U.S. this year


martin at gregorie

Oct 5, 2009, 2:14 PM

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On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 16:49 -0400, Thomas Mullins wrote:
> Their supposed complaint is, they don't know *nix.
>
Poor babies. Why doesn't your boss give 'em each a copy of 'Linux in a
Nutshell' (or the BSD equivalent) and a week to read it? If they're
competent that should be enough for them to get by.

> I will pull out our BSD box, and I will let them connect the Exchange
> box straight to the Net.
>
Offer residual/scrap value for the boxes and move them off-site. With
luck you'll be in pocket in a few weeks when they want them back. If
not, you'll still have cheap boxes.

And don't forget to place those bets.


Martin


tedm at ipinc

Oct 5, 2009, 2:20 PM

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Shane (Or Thomas)

This isn't a debate about Open Source vs commercial software as
much as you would like to think that it is. This is a debate
about something that your familiar with (FreeBSD/Spamassassin)
and that none of your coworkers are familiar with, vs something
that your coworkers are (possibly) familiar with and that you
(possibly) are not. In other words, it's about job security,
and about ambition.

You have had a FreeBSD/Spamassassin solution for 8 years and
you have spent the time to learn it, and your coworkers have
screwed off rather than learn how it works.

Your coworkers finally wised up enough to realize that because
you are the go-to guy, and they aren't, that you can't be
fired and they can. So their logic, which is typical lazy
man's logic, is to get rid of this system that they think it
hard to understand and replace it with a system that they
think it easier to understand, so they can do the minimum amount
of work to learn the system.

You are naive enough to think that once the new Exchange system
comes into use that things won't settle back into the same
rut.

What your going to find is that once Exchange is online, your
lazy-assed coworkers aren't going to do anything more to learn
the system than they do now, and that your going to end up learning
the system - and a year from now, your still going to be the
go-to guy, pulling their hineys out of the fire.

The big difference, is that there will be a system in place that
your lazy-assed coworkers can con your boss into believing
that they understand. So in other words right now, your doing
all the work on the mailsystem, and getting all the credit.

Once your coworkers finish with you, your STILL going to be
doing all the work - but THEY will be taking all the credit.

What you need to be doing is polishing up your resume then
start applying and get yourself a job offer that pays better
than what you have. It might take a year of looking for this.
And in the meantime, if you want to get some well-earned
revenge against your coworkers, then you need to learn
Exchange inside and out, so that the day you walk into your
bosses office and tell him your quitting, that in the instant
he realizes that he's going to be screwed and starts begging
you not to leave, that you can tell him that if he had
supported you against your coworker morons a year ago, you
would support him now - but that since he didn't, he's going to
have to deal with those lazy-asses now.

You stuck your horse's head in the water for 8 years and
your still pouring the water down his throat to get him to
drink. Time to let him die, and find another horse. Some
of them are too pig-headed to ever be trained.

Ted Mittelstaedt
Author, FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide


Thomas Mullins wrote:
> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
> that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.
>
>
>
> Shane
>


mouss at ml

Oct 5, 2009, 2:50 PM

Post #23 of 38 (1260 views)
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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

Thomas Mullins a écrit :
> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
> that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.
>
>

and the problem is?

if they want exchange, give them exchange. don't fight (directly), watch
instead. take pleasure of the situation, get fun as you can. I
personally took fun all day long in windows-only (and believe it or not,
in linux-only) environments.


that said, you can still try to explain that exchange should not be
exposed to the internet. you still need a relay (such as freebsd/postfix).


quanah at zimbra

Oct 5, 2009, 3:05 PM

Post #24 of 38 (1260 views)
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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

--On Monday, October 05, 2009 11:50 PM +0200 mouss <mouss [at] ml>
wrote:

> Thomas Mullins a écrit :
>> We have been running Spamassassin for maybe eight years now. But, my
>> coworkers do not like OpenSource. So they have finally complained
>> enough that my boss is going to replace our reliable
>> FreeBSD/Spamassassin boxes. They are planning on purchasing something
>> that runs ON Exchange. What a bummer.
>>
>>
>
> and the problem is?
>
> if they want exchange, give them exchange. don't fight (directly), watch
> instead. take pleasure of the situation, get fun as you can. I
> personally took fun all day long in windows-only (and believe it or not,
> in linux-only) environments.
>
>
> that said, you can still try to explain that exchange should not be
> exposed to the internet. you still need a relay (such as freebsd/postfix).
>

And once exchange falls over, show them Zimbra. ;) Which uses
postfix/SA/amavis, etc, and looks a lot like exchange... only better. ;)

--Quanah

--

Quanah Gibson-Mount
Principal Software Engineer
Zimbra, Inc
--------------------
Zimbra :: the leader in open source messaging and collaboration


support-spamassassin at oeko

Oct 5, 2009, 3:10 PM

Post #25 of 38 (1262 views)
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Re: OT bad news [In reply to]

Hi,

On Mon, 05.10.2009 at 14:11:46 -0700, John Hardin <jhardin [at] impsec> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Thomas Mullins wrote:
>> I will pull out our BSD box, and I will let them connect the Exchange
>> box straight to the Net.
> Second bet: how long it takes after doing that before the box is 0wned.

I wouldn't hold my breath for it if these guys are worth their salt,
but I can only underline the importance of Ted's advice to polish your
resume, and start looking, because not only will "they" get all the
credit, but _you_'ll get all the blame, if anything goes wrong.


Kind regards,
--Toni++

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