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marcin at 2fluid

Nov 6, 2007, 8:53 AM

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How to filter messages from this list?

It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to make easier set up filter for emails?

Marcin Praczko.

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uhlar at fantomas

Nov 6, 2007, 8:57 AM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

On 06.11.07 16:53, Marcin Praczko wrote:
> It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to make
> easier set up filter for emails?

modifyinf Subject: sucks, and is only good for clients that can't filter on
other headers. Filter on:

List-Id: <users.spamassassin.apache.org>

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evan at espphotography

Nov 6, 2007, 8:57 AM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

At 08:53 AM 11/6/2007, Marcin Praczko wrote:
>It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to
>make easier set up filter for emails?

Why? There's at least 6 in the headers:

Mailing-List: contact users-help [at] spamassassin; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
list-help: <mailto:users-help [at] spamassassin>
list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe [at] spamassassin>
List-Post: <mailto:users [at] spamassassin>
List-Id: <users.spamassassin.apache.org>
Delivered-To: mailing list users [at] spamassassin
Received: (qmail 29331 invoked by uid 99); 6 Nov 2007 16:53:30 -0000
Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136)
by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:53:30 -0800

Mariusz.Kruk at epsilon

Nov 6, 2007, 8:57 AM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 04:53:13PM -0000, Marcin Praczko wrote:
> It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to make easier set up filter for emails?

What for? This list already gives quite a few headers that should be
enough for filtering.

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Peter.Mann at tuke

Nov 6, 2007, 9:07 AM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 04:53:13PM -0000, Marcin Praczko wrote:
> It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to make easier set up filter for emails?

you can use message headers:

List-Id: <users.spamassassin.apache.org>

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sm at resistor

Nov 6, 2007, 9:14 AM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

At 08:53 06-11-2007, Marcin Praczko wrote:
>It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to
>make easier set up filter for emails?

Yes, you can do that with Procmail. Test whether the List-Id: header
matches users.spamassassin.apache.org and preappend your tag to the
Subject: header.

Regards,
-sm

bob at proulx

Nov 6, 2007, 1:02 PM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

Marcin Praczko wrote:
> It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to
> make easier set up filter for emails?

Every few months this issue gets discussed to death. See the list
archives. The answer is always the same. Use the headers that are
already provided in the message. List-Id: is a good one to use for
this purpose. If you want to add a subject tag removing and reducing
the precious few characters available there then you can always add it
yourself on your end.

Bob

mouss at netoyen

Nov 6, 2007, 3:55 PM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

Marcin Praczko wrote:
> It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to make easier set up filter for emails?
>

How about having the logo in png format on the subject line :)

List managers (and other software) should not alter email unless
absolutely necessary. This includes subject tagging, reply-to munging,
removal of trace headers, format conversion, ... etc. The people who
compose messages know better how their messages should look like. Local
policies may override this, because local users have a chance to hang
their sysadmin ;-p

philipp_subx at redfish-solutions

Nov 6, 2007, 4:08 PM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

mouss wrote:
> Marcin Praczko wrote:
>
>> It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to make easier set up filter for emails?
>>
>>
>
> How about having the logo in png format on the subject line :)
>
> List managers (and other software) should not alter email unless
> absolutely necessary. This includes subject tagging, reply-to munging,
> removal of trace headers, format conversion, ... etc. The people who
> compose messages know better how their messages should look like. Local
> policies may override this, because local users have a chance to hang
> their sysadmin ;-p
>
>

If they're lucky they can. If they work for Uncle Sam, and their
sysadmin trots out "security requirements" as their lame excuse for
breaking things they don't understand, then they're screwed. As in:

Received: from gate3-sandiego.nmci.navy.mil (gate3-sandiego.nmci.navy.mil [138.163.0.43])
by mail.redfish-solutions.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8AGAjaQ028222
for <XYZZY>; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:10:50 -0600
Received: from nawesdnims03.nmci.navy.mil by gate3-sandiego.nmci.navy.mil
via smtpd (for mail.redfish-solutions.com [66.232.79.143]) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:00:18 +0000
Received: (private information removed)
Received: (private information removed)
Received: (private information removed)
Received: (private information removed)
Received: (private information removed)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Subject: RE: Chuckle
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:10:39 -0700
Message-ID: <7DB6DF83D2CD9140ADA0622B1A05BF2F0579FE61 [at] nawespscez0>
In-Reply-To: <68s85g$dneg [at] navysdniii03>
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Chuckle
Thread-Index: AcfzukOHakkCi8HDRJ2nEhvQOY8RZgACopXw
References: <68s85g$dneg [at] navysdniii03>
From: "John Doe" <john.doe [at] navy>
To: "Philip Prindeville" <philipp_subx [at] redfish-solutions>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2007 16:10:40.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[219FDBE0:01C7F3C5]

Could they have just *deleted* the Received: lines they didn't want to show? "No, of course not. That would be too easy. Let's mangle them into something that doesn't conform to RFC-822 instead."

As it is, they were leaking hostnames through the "Reference:" and "Message-Id:" fields anyway... but we won't talk about that.

They couldn't even leave the "id" and "timestamp" fields in the Received: lines because that would be revealing... ummm... revealing... uhh... how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop... or some such nonsense.

jrudd at ucsc

Nov 6, 2007, 4:39 PM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

mouss wrote:
> Marcin Praczko wrote:
>> It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to make easier set up filter for emails?
>>
>
> List managers (and other software) should not alter email unless
> absolutely necessary.

List sysadmins should do whatever they want with email that passes
through their list server, and users and list owners should vote with
their feet. Similarly, list owners should do whatever they want with
messages that past through their lists, and users should vote with their
feet.

jidanni at jidanni

Nov 6, 2007, 9:33 PM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

BP> Every few months this issue gets discussed to death.
Why not mention what he is surely really wanting to do:
http://www.google.com/search?q=users-allow [at] spamassassin

marcin at 2fluid

Nov 7, 2007, 1:40 AM

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RE: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

Thank you very must all for help.

I didn’t think and didn't check that is some header tag to classify that list.

I am apologizes for my mistakes.

Marcin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Mann [mailto:Peter.Mann [at] tuke]
Sent: 06 November 2007 17:08
To: Marcin Praczko
Cc: Spamassassin Mailing List
Subject: Re: How to filter messages from this list?

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 04:53:13PM -0000, Marcin Praczko wrote:
> It is possible add some text to Subject: For example [SPLIST] - to make easier set up filter for emails?

you can use message headers:

List-Id: <users.spamassassin.apache.org>

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5o Peter.Mann at tuke.sk

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mouss at netoyen

Nov 7, 2007, 1:09 PM

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Re: How to filter messages from this list? [In reply to]

Philip Prindeville wrote:
> [snip]
> Could they have just *deleted* the Received: lines they didn't want to
> show? "No, of course not. That would be too easy. Let's mangle them
> into something that doesn't conform to RFC-822 instead."
>
> As it is, they were leaking hostnames through the "Reference:" and
> "Message-Id:" fields anyway... but we won't talk about that.
>

and removing these breaks "conversations", and makes messages in the
"Sent" folder different than messages that are really sent.

> They couldn't even leave the "id" and "timestamp" fields in the
> Received: lines because that would be revealing... ummm...
> revealing... uhh... how many licks it takes to get to the center of
> a tootsie pop... or some such nonsense.

that would reveal that their clock is out of sync :)

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