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[Bug 6259] Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL, replace SSBL?

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Dec 15, 2009, 9:09 PM

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[Bug 6259] Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL, replace SSBL?

https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6259

Warren Togami <wtogami [at] redhat> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Summary|Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL |Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL,
| |replace SSBL?

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Dec 15, 2009, 9:20 PM

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[Bug 6259] Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL, replace SSBL? [In reply to]

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Warren Togami <wtogami [at] redhat> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Priority|P5 |P1
Target Milestone|Undefined |3.3.0
Severity|enhancement |normal

--- Comment #3 from Warren Togami <wtogami [at] redhat> 2009-12-15 21:20:43 UTC ---
This might have a simple resolution if it is simply a matter of replacing SSBL
with RNBL, thus setting for P1.

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:42 AM

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[Bug 6259] Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL, replace SSBL? [In reply to]

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--- Comment #4 from J.D. Falk <jdfalk [at] returnpath> 2009-12-16 07:42:14 UTC ---
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> SSBL and RNBL are now served by the same company?

Sorry, I assumed the beta SSBL rule would've faded away by now.

It's always been the same company; it's even the same DNS zone. We've got new
analytics technology (and more data) in the background, and our marketing team
gave the list a new name. Might as well consider it identical.

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:54 AM

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[Bug 6259] Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL, replace SSBL? [In reply to]

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--- Comment #5 from Warren Togami <wtogami [at] redhat> 2009-12-16 07:54:58 UTC ---
One last confirmation from Return Path:

RNBL stays for the long-term?

Once we add this, it wont be trivial to get everyone to stop using it.

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Dec 16, 2009, 11:10 AM

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[Bug 6259] Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL, replace SSBL? [In reply to]

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--- Comment #6 from J.D. Falk <jdfalk [at] returnpath> 2009-12-16 11:10:43 UTC ---
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> One last confirmation from Return Path:
>
> RNBL stays for the long-term?
>
> Once we add this, it wont be trivial to get everyone to stop using it.

We've had a blacklist in this same DNS zone for 3+ years, and it's used by some
big ISPs. No plans to get rid of it.

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Dec 16, 2009, 11:16 AM

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[Bug 6259] Evaluate ReturnPath's RNBL, replace SSBL? [In reply to]

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--- Comment #7 from Warren Togami <wtogami [at] redhat> 2009-12-16 11:16:14 UTC ---
Weekly Masscheck 20091216
=======================
# SUMMARY for threshold 5.0:
# Correctly non-spam: 246432 99.33%
# Correctly spam: 174605 93.82%
# False positives: 1670 0.67%
# False negatives: 11501 6.18%
# TCR(l=50): 1.958990 SpamRecall: 93.820% SpamPrec: 99.053%

Weekly Masscheck 20091216, SSBL disabled, RNBL given SSBL's scores
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# Correctly non-spam: 246439 99.33%
# Correctly spam: 174576 93.80%
# False positives: 1663 0.67%
# False negatives: 11530 6.20%
# TCR(l=50): 1.965632 SpamRecall: 93.805% SpamPrec: 99.056%

This appears to be a negligible difference with a clearly understood change.

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