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Dec 1, 2011, 12:28 AM

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RANCID, CRS and SDR

Hi,

I'm having some problems with RANCID when querying CRS SDRs (Secure
Domain Router). RANCID is running once an hour and every time RANCID
finds some differences in the hardware configuration.

Here is an example:

This moring a 7 o'clock:
- !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet0", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
- !VID: N/A
- !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet1", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"

And at 8 o'clock
+ !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet0", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
+ !VID: N/A
+ !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet1", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"

This is not on related to sensors, I've also seen fan trays, interface
cards, ... appearing and disappearing. Any ideas? Querying the actual
(hardware) CRS works fine.

Regards

Jens
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tyler at tolaris

Dec 1, 2011, 1:01 AM

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Re: RANCID, CRS and SDR [In reply to]

Jens,

I have the same problem with one of my Cisco Catalyst 6509, when querying
via telnet. It removes and adds hardware seemingly at whim. However, the
same behaviour is visible when testing with clogin myself - it seems to be
the real output.

I'd prefer to fix it, or have RANCID ignore it. Right now, I have neither
solution.

Tyler

On 2011-12-01 08:28, Jens Link wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm having some problems with RANCID when querying CRS SDRs (Secure
> Domain Router). RANCID is running once an hour and every time RANCID
> finds some differences in the hardware configuration.
>
> Here is an example:
>
> This moring a 7 o'clock:
> - !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet0", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
> - !VID: N/A
> - !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet1", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
>
> And at 8 o'clock
> + !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet0", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
> + !VID: N/A
> + !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet1", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
>
> This is not on related to sensors, I've also seen fan trays, interface
> cards, ... appearing and disappearing. Any ideas? Querying the actual
> (hardware) CRS works fine.
>
> Regards
>
> Jens

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misch at schwartzkopff

Dec 1, 2011, 6:06 AM

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Re: RANCID, CRS and SDR [In reply to]

> Jens,
>
> I have the same problem with one of my Cisco Catalyst 6509, when querying
> via telnet. It removes and adds hardware seemingly at whim. However, the
> same behaviour is visible when testing with clogin myself - it seems to be
> the real output.
>
> I'd prefer to fix it, or have RANCID ignore it. Right now, I have neither
> solution.
>
> Tyler
>
> On 2011-12-01 08:28, Jens Link wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm having some problems with RANCID when querying CRS SDRs (Secure
> > Domain Router). RANCID is running once an hour and every time RANCID
> > finds some differences in the hardware configuration.
> >
> > Here is an example:
> >
> > This moring a 7 o'clock:
> > - !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet0", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
> > - !VID: N/A
> > - !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet1", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
> >
> > And at 8 o'clock
> > + !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet0", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
> > + !VID: N/A
> > + !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet1", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
> >
> > This is not on related to sensors, I've also seen fan trays, interface
> > cards, ... appearing and disappearing. Any ideas? Querying the actual
> > (hardware) CRS works fine.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jens

Hi,

possible this behavior is related to the fact, that the output is formatted
different every run. Especially we found no way to tell the devices not to add
line breaks at will.

And yes, we tried "term length 0" already.

Greetings,

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heas at shrubbery

Dec 1, 2011, 8:29 AM

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Re: RANCID, CRS and SDR [In reply to]

Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:01:13AM +0000, Tyler J. Wagner:
> Jens,
>
> I have the same problem with one of my Cisco Catalyst 6509, when querying
> via telnet. It removes and adds hardware seemingly at whim. However, the
> same behaviour is visible when testing with clogin myself - it seems to be
> the real output.
>
> I'd prefer to fix it, or have RANCID ignore it. Right now, I have neither
> solution.

it is most likely a problem with the IOS/IOX or the hardware. we've seen
both, though not yet on IOX; requiring reseating the LC or a s/w fix.

Its not likely a problem with rancid. as you've mentioned, you see it with
clogin too.
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daniel.schmidt at wyo

Dec 1, 2011, 8:48 AM

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Re: RANCID, CRS and SDR [In reply to]

You may consider editing your local rancid to ignore things like these
that continually change; it's not difficult to do.

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Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:01:13AM +0000, Tyler J. Wagner:
> Jens,
>
> I have the same problem with one of my Cisco Catalyst 6509, when
> querying via telnet. It removes and adds hardware seemingly at whim.
> However, the same behaviour is visible when testing with clogin myself
> - it seems to be the real output.
>
> I'd prefer to fix it, or have RANCID ignore it. Right now, I have
> neither solution.

it is most likely a problem with the IOS/IOX or the hardware. we've seen
both, though not yet on IOX; requiring reseating the LC or a s/w fix.

Its not likely a problem with rancid. as you've mentioned, you see it
with clogin too.
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tyler at tolaris

Dec 1, 2011, 9:16 AM

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Re: RANCID, CRS and SDR [In reply to]

On 2011-12-01 16:48, Daniel Schmidt wrote:
> You may consider editing your local rancid to ignore things like these
> that continually change; it's not difficult to do.

I have very seriously considered that. However, I don't know how to edit it
to ignore "show inventory raw" for just this host. Other suggestions welcome.

Regards,
Tyler

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heas at shrubbery

Dec 1, 2011, 9:52 AM

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Re: RANCID, CRS and SDR [In reply to]

Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 05:16:17PM +0000, Tyler J. Wagner:
> On 2011-12-01 16:48, Daniel Schmidt wrote:
> > You may consider editing your local rancid to ignore things like these
> > that continually change; it's not difficult to do.
>
> I have very seriously considered that. However, I don't know how to edit it
> to ignore "show inventory raw" for just this host. Other suggestions welcome.

ignoring it for all is easy; for one, less so. you'd have to match the
prompt to exclude the output.

please please please bitch at your vendor about the problem for the benefit
of all.
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pelle at hemmop

Dec 3, 2011, 5:21 PM

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Re: RANCID, CRS and SDR [In reply to]

Hi Jens.

> I'm having some problems with RANCID when querying CRS SDRs (Secure
> Domain Router). RANCID is running once an hour and every time RANCID
> finds some differences in the hardware configuration.
>
> Here is an example:
>
> This moring a 7 o'clock:
> - !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet0", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
> - !VID: N/A
> - !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet1", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
>
> And at 8 o'clock
> + !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet0", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
> + !VID: N/A
> + !NAME: "0/0/* - host - Inlet1", DESCR: "Temperature Sensor"
>
> This is not on related to sensors, I've also seen fan trays, interface
> cards, ... appearing and disappearing. Any ideas? Querying the actual
> (hardware) CRS works fine.

I've seen spurios "non-printables" mess up the diff on both IOS and
IOS-XR devices. Can't recall from memory if that occurred in "show
inventory" on XR.

Any way, I do have a substantial code change for xrrancid hanging
around at GitHub[0]. *One* of the differences with the stock 2.3.6
code are filtering of "non-printables". If you would like some more
info of the changes, checkout the command table at the end of
bin/xrrancid.in[1]. You are welcome to give it a try if you like. If
you have any suggestions for improvements or other changes, I'm
listening.

[0] https://github.com/hemmop/rancid/tree/xrrancid
[1] https://github.com/hemmop/rancid/blob/xrrancid/bin/xrrancid.in#L836

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Dec 7, 2011, 5:33 AM

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Re: RANCID, CRS and SDR [In reply to]

Per Carlson <pelle [at] hemmop> writes:

Hi,

> Any way, I do have a substantial code change for xrrancid hanging
> around at GitHub[0].

> [1] https://github.com/hemmop/rancid/blob/xrrancid/bin/xrrancid.in#L836

Still the same. One hour the hardware is reported missing, an hour later
it there again. :-(

I'll keep looking.

JEns
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