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andi at vipe

Mar 25, 1997, 2:04 AM

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ezmlm

Hi,

Any idea when djb will release it? Is there a list of features its going to
include some place? (Like VERP bounce handling & address verification etc...)

Andi
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ddb at gw

Nov 18, 1997, 12:50 PM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

Fred Lindberg <lindberg [at] id> writes on 18 November 1997 at 13:23:18 -0600

> Just mail the files to the list. If they're not text, mail them as MIME
> attachments, UUENCODED or whatever.
[snip]
> What it is you'd like to do that can't be done as is?

It's not doing the same thing. I don't want to force the FAQ down the
throats of everybody on the list every time I correct a typo, I want
to make it *available* to the people when *they* want it.
--
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lindberg at id

Nov 18, 1997, 1:23 PM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

On 18 Nov 1997 18:29:55 -0000, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

>And, for that ongoing development, I'd like to see the archive server
>extended to be able to handle things other than messages -- like the
>charter and faq for a mailing list, for example. Arbitrary files that
>I tell it to handle, perhaps by putting them in a special directory.
>This is the only thing that feels like a loss to me going from
>Smartlist to ezmlm+idx+issub, and it was something I was already using
>on most of my mailing lists.

Just mail the files to the list. If they're not text, mail them as MIME
attachments, UUENCODED or whatever. IF you have shell access, you can reserve
the first 10 slots for things like that by setting DIR/num to 10 before
starting the list. If you don't mail the file (or ezmlm-send DIR < file.txt)
but rather just move it into the archive, just run ezmlm-idx after putting it
in (if you care that it's in the subject index). All the file has to have is a
'Subject:' header to make it into the subject index (you can still retrieve a
file without a subject using '-get'). Thus for a faq:

Subject: This is the FAQ. Answers here!

This document is ....
..

You can customize e.g. DIR/text/bottom to say "For a faq, send mail to
list-get1 [at] hos". As discussed previously, you can even post addenda with the
same subject, and tell users "For faq with updates, send mail to
list-thread1 [at] hos".

Binary files can be put into the archive manually. However, you get into
trouble trying to mail them, unless they're encoded in some way ;-)

Smartlist may do it in a different way, but this is very easy and efficient,
extensible ...

What it is you'd like to do that can't be done as is?

-Sincerely, Fred

(Frederik Lindberg, Infectious Diseases, WashU, St. Louis, MO, USA)


lindberg at id

Nov 18, 1997, 2:23 PM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

On 18 Nov 1997 19:50:51 -0000, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

>It's not doing the same thing. I don't want to force the FAQ down the
>throats of everybody on the list every time I correct a typo, I want
>to make it *available* to the people when *they* want it.

That's *easy*, it's just different ...

1. reserve messages 1-10 (start the list with DIR/num = 10), or if you have a
running list, disable deliveries, change DIR/num from 'n' to 'n+10' and
consider n+1 ... n+10 reserved. Reenable deliveries.

2. Make a faq as a mail message or just text.

3. % cp faq.txt DIR/archive/m/pp [.where x is a reserved message number m=x /
100, pp = x % 100 (pp is 2 digits)].

4. Your list users can get the faq by sending mail to list-get-x any time.

5. You can at any time update the faq, by repeating (3).

If you would like a subject entry for the faq, just prefix your faq document
with a line starting 'Subject:' with subject text, followed by a blank line,
and do '% ezmlm-idx DIR' after (3).

You can do the same for a charter or whatever else you'd like to make
available.

To notify the users, put suitable instructions to taste into DIR/text/bottom
or DIR/text/trailer, or DIR/text/sub-ok.

If you use ezmlm-idx-0.21, you can set up lists to always reserve the first 10
messages. In ezmlmrc put:

</num#E/>
10
</dignum#iE/>
10

The latter is just to avoid 10 "I don't see that message" in the first digest.
Also, you may not want the reserved messages to go out in any digest anyway.

Similarly, you can put the instructions in via ezmlmrc so that they'll be
there for every new list on you system/for a particular user. If you like, you
can even make a generic charter/faq with ezmlm-make/ezmlmrc:

</archive/0/01#a/>
Subject: <#L#>@<#H#> mailing list FAQ

This is a collection of ....
</archive/0/02#a/>
Subject: Charter for the <#L#>@<#H#> list

If you spam, you're out ...

..

You may want to set it up this way only for *some* lists (of the system/user):
Just use an unused flag 'z' of ezmlm-make and add a 'z' after the '#' to all
of the above items and use 'ezmlm-make -z ...' to create this type of list.

Hope this helps your migration!


-Sincerely, Fred

(Frederik Lindberg, Infectious Diseases, WashU, St. Louis, MO, USA)


ddb at gw

Nov 18, 1997, 4:06 PM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

Fred Lindberg <lindberg [at] id> writes on 18 November 1997 at 14:23:06 -0600
> On 18 Nov 1997 19:50:51 -0000, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
> >It's not doing the same thing. I don't want to force the FAQ down the
> >throats of everybody on the list every time I correct a typo, I want
> >to make it *available* to the people when *they* want it.
>
> That's *easy*, it's just different ...
>
> 1. reserve messages 1-10 (start the list with DIR/num = 10), or if you have a
> running list, disable deliveries, change DIR/num from 'n' to 'n+10' and
> consider n+1 ... n+10 reserved. Reenable deliveries.
>
> 2. Make a faq as a mail message or just text.
>
> 3. % cp faq.txt DIR/archive/m/pp [.where x is a reserved message number m=x /
> 100, pp = x % 100 (pp is 2 digits)].
>
> 4. Your list users can get the faq by sending mail to list-get-x any time.
>
> 5. You can at any time update the faq, by repeating (3).
>
> If you would like a subject entry for the faq, just prefix your faq document
> with a line starting 'Subject:' with subject text, followed by a blank line,
> and do '% ezmlm-idx DIR' after (3).
>
> You can do the same for a charter or whatever else you'd like to make
> available.

Sure, I can invent any number of ugly hacks, but that's what this is,
a hack. It's hard to explain to my users, and will generate a lot of
questions I have to answer, and a lot of traffic on the list about why
my interface is so ugly. Users will have a hard time remembering it,
and many of them won't bother to check out the FAQ (or to see if it's
been updated) after before spouting off. It also causes all sorts of
interesting potential interactions with scripts to clean up old
archives, maybe compressing them and making them less directly
available.

So maybe now I have to write my own archive manager to sit above the
official one and look for requests that aren't all digits, and send
the documents out. Or maybe I give up on the idea of email archives,
of messages or whatever. I dunno, have to think about it.
--
David Dyer-Bennet ddb [at] ddb
Me: http://www.ddb.com/~ddb (photos, sf)
Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon
Join the 20th century before it's too late!


lindberg at id

Nov 18, 1997, 5:45 PM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

On 18 Nov 1997 23:06:28 -0000, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

>Sure, I can invent any number of ugly hacks, but that's what this is,
>a hack. It's hard to explain to my users, and will generate a lot of
>questions I have to answer, and a lot of traffic on the list about why
>my interface is so ugly. Users will have a hard time remembering it,
>and many of them won't bother to check out the FAQ (or to see if it's
>been updated) after before spouting off. It also causes all sorts of
>interesting potential interactions with scripts to clean up old
>archives, maybe compressing them and making them less directly
>available.

It's called 'configurable' and it lets you do things that the programmer
didn't specifically provide for.

The whole point is that you have everything there. If you do standard things
it looks good right out of the box. If you don't you have to do some work. For
the user, it's never ugly. Mine send mail to list-faq [at] hos to get the faq,
list-welcome [at] hos to get the rules, etc. The list admins edit DIR/text/faq and
DIR/text/welcome, which are symlinked through this "ugly hack" to archive/0/01
and archive/0/02. I send a notice to the list when I update the faq (it says
'send mail to "list-faq [at] hos" to get the updated faq').

For the sysadmin it requires reading and understanding some of the qmail and
ezmlm docs, for the list admin it's much easier (especially if the sysadmin
understands ~/.ezmlmrc).



-Sincerely, Fred

(Frederik Lindberg, Infectious Diseases, WashU, St. Louis, MO, USA)


postmaster at rask

Mar 14, 1998, 4:24 PM

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Re: ezmlm [In reply to]

On 14-Mar-98 23:11:50, Ben Jörgensen wrote something about "ezmlm". I just couldn't help replying to it, thus:

> Maybe there's a better place for ezmlm stuff?

Yes, the ezmlm mailing list.

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nelson at crynwr

May 4, 1999, 7:57 AM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

Julian L.C. Brown writes:
>
> Would someone be so kind as to write out quick and dirty instructions of
> how to set up a mail list. I have compiled / installed EZMLM but the
> instructions are for single domain machines and I have multiple domains.
> It's only 5 lines or so so if you one of you could do that for me I would
> appreciate it thanks

Assuming that you send your virtualdomains into alias-example

ezmlm-make ~alias/list ~alias/.qmail-example-list list example.com

Then modify ~alias/list/inlocal so it says "alias-example-list".

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jbrown at interwaresystems

May 4, 1999, 11:12 AM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

>Assuming that you send your virtualdomains into alias-example
>
>ezmlm-make ~alias/list ~alias/.qmail-example-list list example.com
>
>Then modify ~alias/list/inlocal so it says "alias-example-list".

Let me try to explain my setup. It's custom, not out of the box .. I
really appreciate your help. The way I understand that most virtual
domains are setup is that they have a user that is unique to the domain
that controls the domain. This is not the case on my system, I have one
solitary user named popuser that handles all the domains. I don't know
where this comes in to the picture, but when I add those alias files with
ezmlm-make and send a message to mylist-subscribe [at] mydomain it does not
work. I do have other aliases that have the same nomenclature though. I
am not really sure how to explain this I hope I have given you something to
work with


aram at ubl

May 4, 1999, 11:49 AM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

Assuming you used Paul Gregg's 'Single-UID based POP3 box HOWTO'

for list [at] domain try:

ezmlm-make ~popuser/domain-com/list ~popuser/domain-com/list/.qmail \
list domain.com

chown -R popuser.popuser ~popuser/domain-com/list

Aram

On Tue, May 04, 1999 at 02:12:42PM -0400, Julian L.C. Brown wrote:
>
> >Assuming that you send your virtualdomains into alias-example
> >
> >ezmlm-make ~alias/list ~alias/.qmail-example-list list example.com
> >
> >Then modify ~alias/list/inlocal so it says "alias-example-list".
>
> Let me try to explain my setup. It's custom, not out of the box .. I
> really appreciate your help. The way I understand that most virtual
> domains are setup is that they have a user that is unique to the domain
> that controls the domain. This is not the case on my system, I have one
> solitary user named popuser that handles all the domains. I don't know
> where this comes in to the picture, but when I add those alias files with
> ezmlm-make and send a message to mylist-subscribe [at] mydomain it does not
> work. I do have other aliases that have the same nomenclature though. I
> am not really sure how to explain this I hope I have given you something to
> work with
>


jbrown at interwaresystems

May 4, 1999, 1:42 PM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

At 11:49 AM 5/4/99 -0700, aram [at] ubl wrote:
>Assuming you used Paul Gregg's 'Single-UID based POP3 box HOWTO'
>
>for list [at] domain try:
>
>ezmlm-make ~popuser/domain-com/list ~popuser/domain-com/list/.qmail \
>list domain.com
>
>chown -R popuser.popuser ~popuser/domain-com/list

This works partly -- it will archive the messages but listserv(my alias
name) -subscribe and listserv-help return nothing.. Why is that?


Regards,

Julian L.C. Brown
Interware.Net Inc.
mailto:jbc [at] interware
http://www.interware.net


kyle-qmail at memoryhole

Aug 18, 2009, 9:15 AM

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On Tuesday, August 18 at 03:52 PM, quoth Richard Scollon:
>Does anyone know how to/have a working copy of EZMLM working with
>Qmail and Vpopmail?

I do. It's, erhm, trivial. What's the problem?

~Kyle
- --
Destiny is a good thing to accept when it's going your way. When it
isn't, don't call it destiny; call it injustice, treachery, or simple
bad luck.
-- Joseph Heller
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lists-qmail at maexotic

Aug 18, 2009, 9:23 AM

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On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 03:52:03PM +0100, Richard Scollon wrote:
> Does anyone know how to/have a working copy of EZMLM working with Qmail
> and Vpopmail?

Fedora 10, kernel 2.6.27.29-170.2.78.fc10.x86_64

$ cd /tmp
$ wget http://www.ezmlm.org/archive/7.0.2/ezmlm-idx-7.0.2.tar.gz
$ zcat ezmlm-idx-7.0.2.tar.gz | tar xfv -
$ cd ezmlm-idx-7.0.2
$ make
$ su make setup

done.

WRT your error:
> ./compile str_chr.c
> str_chr.c: In function âstr_chrâ:
> str_chr.c:6: error: argument âsâ doesnât match prototype
> str.h:10: error: prototype declaration
> make: *** [str_chr.o] Error 1

str.h:10:
extern unsigned int str_chr(const char *,int);

str_chr.c:5:
unsigned int str_chr(const char *s,int c)

This looks good to me.
I guess you somehow broke something.

\Maex


wayne at p2

Aug 18, 2009, 9:26 AM

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Re: EZMLM [In reply to]

Richard Scollon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Does anyone know how to/have a working copy of EZMLM working with
> Qmail and Vpopmail?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>

Hi Richard,

Try downloading the ezmlm-idx patch too. In a nutshell,

tar xfz ezmlm-0.53.tar.gz
tar xfz ezmlm-idx-5.1.1.tar.gz
chown -R root:root ezmlm-0.53
chown -R root:root ezmlm-idx-5.1.1
mv -f ezmlm-idx-5.1.1/* ezmlm-0.53/
cd ezmlm-0.53
patch < idx.patch
make
make setup

However, if you are only using ezmlm tarball only, edit the error.h
file. Change the line
extern int errno;
to
#include <error.h>

Cheers,
Wayne


richard.scollon at m-i-g

Aug 18, 2009, 9:29 AM

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Hi,

-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Wheeler [mailto:kyle-qmail [at] memoryhole]
Sent: 18 August 2009 17:16
To: qmail [at] list
Subject: Re: EZMLM

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On Tuesday, August 18 at 03:52 PM, quoth Richard Scollon:
>Does anyone know how to/have a working copy of EZMLM working with
>Qmail and Vpopmail?

I do. It's, erhm, trivial. What's the problem?

~Kyle
- --
Destiny is a good thing to accept when it's going your way. When it
isn't, don't call it destiny; call it injustice, treachery, or simple
bad luck.
-- Joseph Heller
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Well that's I thought. My earlier problems were that it wouldn't install
and gave obfusticated error messages. But I've resolved that. I've now
finally got alist working under vpopmail. I just want to it only allow
moderators to post messages to the list and no one else.

I used the following to create my list:

ezmlm-make ~list ~/.qmail-list list wibble.co.uk

Which worked fine, I could subscribe, unsubsubscribe and post
messages..the problem so could ANYONE else whether subscribed or not. So
I edited the make statement with the following:

ezmlm-make -e -+ -m -o ~/list/

and added a moderator:

ezmlm-sub ~/list/mod zibble [at] wibble

But no NO ONE can post not even the moderator account. I know it's still
accepting messages as if I don't include a subject line it's rejecting
regardless of who sends it.

What have I missed?

thanks


kyle-qmail at memoryhole

Aug 18, 2009, 10:11 AM

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On Tuesday, August 18 at 05:29 PM, quoth Richard Scollon:
> I've now finally got alist working under vpopmail. I just want to it
> only allow moderators to post messages to the list and no one else.

Since you're using vpopmail, as you using qmailadmin? It has a GUI
interface to this stuff that makes things pretty easy.

> I edited the make statement with the following:
>
> ezmlm-make -e -+ -m -o ~/list/
>
> and added a moderator:
>
> ezmlm-sub ~/list/mod zibble [at] wibble
>
> But no NO ONE can post not even the moderator account.

You turned on moderation (-m) and told it that only moderators can
post (-o). I have a few lists like that; what happens is that when a
moderator posts, it goes to the moderator for approval (all others
bounce).

Double check your setup (check ~/list/config), and if you still can't
figure it out, try asking the ezmlm mailing list.

~Kyle
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For to accuse, requires less eloquence, such is man's nature, than to
excuse; and condemnation, than absolution more resembles justice.
-- Hobbes, Leviathan
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