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May 9, 2012, 4:44 AM
Post #17 of 42
It's also quite ironic that the initial complaining started from how
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
[In reply to]
the domain name www.pyjs.org is not available only pyjs.org is. At the
same time the Rebel Chief's listed domain name on github, see
https://github.com/xtfxme, gives you a server not found:
On 5/9/12, anthony [at] xtfx <anthony [at] xtfx> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:10:13 AM UTC-5, james hedley wrote:
>> Agreed with pretty much all of that. It's third-world politics, lurching
>> from one dictator to another. Risinger seems to have banned all discussion
>> of the subject from the list too, I'm not posting anymore because I don't
>> want to give him an excuse to wield his newly found banhammer.
> hello James,
> i'm not really sure what you're referring too ... you appear to be making
> these things up. i have not banned anything, or even alluded to it,
> whatsoever. i asked that one specific mail not be commented upon, as a
> request; perhaps this is the dreaded bannhammer you speak of?
> reading your accounts strewn about is interesting, what exactly are *your*
> motives? a simple curiosity, nothing more.
> your comparison to gov'ts is pretty skewed i would say, you know this as
> well as i. regardless of what you think or know of me, i have a permanent
> track record of being pretty fair and receptive to virtually anything, and
> am involved in a wide range of projects. Luke is a talented developer,
> there is no doubt of this, but he is one of the most socially inept persons
> i have ever encountered. leading your users to statements such as this:
> ... dozens of times on several occasions, is truly incredible. other such
> behavior, eg. being the only person in the history of the webkit project to
> ever be *ejected* from contributing or communicating *at all*, is further
> testament to the deficiencies provoking this maneuver.
> however, i have no interest in comparing or being compared. go read my
> notes again; i have a high level of respect for Luke in many capacities, and
> this has not changed.
> lets make one thing perfectly clear; you are not the only one who cares of
> this project or wishes it to succeed. mistakes were made. problems were
> had. the decisions however, stands.
>> But yeah, a lot of the commentary from the pro-rebel side ( not that any
>> of them admit they had anything to do with it ) really does come across as
>> being ill-informed and childish.
> indeed, you have witnessed little chatter. however, barring your belief of
> such, i had received dozens of notes thanking me and attesting to a renewed
> impetus for action. the original goal was to purchase a domain and fork --
> i made this very clear in my notes -- `uxpy.net`. however, the most
> respectable member of the commit IMO convinced me otherwise. names names,
> yes you want names? sorry :-(. alas, he, myself, and numerous others are
> still active and moving forward. the list is actually approaching 100 ...
> not the "4-5" you so graciously quoted. i am simply the point man willing
> to stand the flurry.
> likewise, i did not "convince" the domain holder to give me the domain. not
> only was he already aware prior to me approaching him -- list member,
> passive -- he was more that willing to assist in reinstating the projects
> foundations and direction. he *was* the person who "left Luke in charge"
> ... why do you think he was the owner? as far as im concerned, the domain
> was already "hijacked"; this was, in good faith, intended as remedy.
> this was not a easy or light decision, the dissonance exists to this day.
> the idea was to retain Luke, but he decided to play legal threats as the
> first card (which i'm afraid can only backfire), before he even knew of the
> domain changes. hge is not a victim here, nor is anyone else. so please,
> show some cognitive capacity by realizing this is not as black-and-white as
> you's like it to be.
> when you decide to include yourself -- sooner, or later -- you are more than
> @alex23 ... try reading a bit further. as a human i am subject to annoyance
> and frustration. i probably shouldn't have started the message in that
> manner, but the absurdity and absolute inaccurate statements being made were
> rather upsetting. you will note that i make it perfectly clear that Luke is
> a fantastic developer, and a great part of the team. this of course has
> neither waned nor faltered.
> i encourage anyone willing to take the time to consult the archives,
> pyjamas' and elsewhere, as they are the only path to proper answers. this
> will impact the project in both known and untold ways, but we have a great
> number of minds willing to push beyond.
> C Anthony
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