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hdante at gmail

May 13, 2008, 11:02 AM

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[off-topic] Usenet

Hello,

How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
have a NNTP server). Do you recommend doing so ?

What's your prefered news reader ?
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bignose+hates-spam at benfinney

May 13, 2008, 4:40 PM

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Re: [off-topic] Usenet [In reply to]

hdante <hdante[at]gmail.com> writes:

> How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
> have a NNTP server).

Complain to your ISP; let them know they have a paying customer who
isn't getting an essential internet service. (No, this likely won't
change *your* situation, and yes, most ISPs are this neglectful.)

Then, <URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#Free_Usenet_servers> or
a similar resource.

> Do you recommend doing so ?

Yes, definitely. Google Groups treats Usenet messages poorly.

> What's your prefered news reader ?

Gnus <URL:http://gnus.org/>, a program running in Emacs. Thunderbird
<URL:http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/>, slrn
<URL:http://www.slrn.org/>, and tin <URL:http://www.tin.org/> have
also given me good Usenet experiences in the past.

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duncan.booth at invalid

May 14, 2008, 7:55 AM

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Re: [off-topic] Usenet [In reply to]

hdante <hdante[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
> have a NNTP server). Do you recommend doing so ?

Yes, even those ISP's who do have a news server often seem to make a mess
of maintaining it. I use news.individual.net which seems to do a pretty
good job of filtering out spam messages (or at least I see a lot more
messages complaining about spam messages than spam messages themselves).

Also, it is a lot cheaper than most third party news servers: 10EUR per
year for 25,000 newsgroups. See http://news.individual.net/

> What's your prefered news reader ?

XNews, but that's mostly just because I'm used to it. It is getting a bit
elderly these days and doesn't handle non-ascii encodings very well. It
does have good scorefile support though.

I use Hamster to actually retrieve news: Hamster runs as a local newsserver
and pulls feeds from as many different news servers as I want to configure
presenting them all as though they come from the same server. That means I
can use my ISPs server as a backup in case I can't access
news.individual.net for any reason (my previous ISP kept 'accidentally'
throttling usenet access): Hamster just merges the newsfeeds together and
is intelligent enough not to fetch a message twice from different servers.

I also recommend Gmane which provides a free news server for most mailing
lists: mailing lists are a lot more manageable when gatewayed into a news
server. If you just want to access comp.lang.python I think you'll find the
mailing list to which it is connected is available for free on Gmane.
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tjreedy at udel

May 14, 2008, 9:58 AM

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Re: [off-topic] Usenet [In reply to]

"Duncan Booth" <duncan.booth[at]invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9A9EA1FF16358duncanbooth[at]127.0.0.1...
| I also recommend Gmane which provides a free news server for most mailing
| lists: mailing lists are a lot more manageable when gatewayed into a news
| server. If you just want to access comp.lang.python I think you'll find
the
| mailing list to which it is connected is available for free on Gmane.

gmane.comp.python.general

which is where I am answering this from. Works great.

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johnjsal at NOSPAMgmail

May 14, 2008, 7:01 PM

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Re: [off-topic] Usenet [In reply to]

On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:58:12 -0400
"Terry Reedy" <tjreedy[at]udel.edu> wrote:

>
> "Duncan Booth" <duncan.booth[at]invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A9EA1FF16358duncanbooth[at]127.0.0.1...
> | I also recommend Gmane which provides a free news server for most mailing
> | lists: mailing lists are a lot more manageable when gatewayed into a news
> | server. If you just want to access comp.lang.python I think you'll find
> the
> | mailing list to which it is connected is available for free on Gmane.
>
> gmane.comp.python.general
>
> which is where I am answering this from. Works great.

So that's the same as c.l.p.?
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tjreedy at udel

May 14, 2008, 8:54 PM

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Re: [off-topic] Usenet [In reply to]

"John Salerno" <johnjsal[at]NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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| On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:58:12 -0400
| "Terry Reedy" <tjreedy[at]udel.edu> wrote:
|
| > gmane.comp.python.general
| >
| > which is where I am answering this from. Works great.
|
| So that's the same as c.l.p.?

It is the same as python-list, which happens to be the same as c.l.p..
Gmane mirrors technical mailing lists, including over 200 under g.c.python.

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bignose+hates-spam at benfinney

May 15, 2008, 2:57 AM

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Re: [off-topic] Usenet [In reply to]

"Terry Reedy" <tjreedy[at]udel.edu> writes:

> "John Salerno" <johnjsal[at]NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:20080514220126.e13d7cf1.johnjsal[at]NOSPAMgmail.com...
> | On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:58:12 -0400
> | "Terry Reedy" <tjreedy[at]udel.edu> wrote:
> |
> | > gmane.comp.python.general
> |
> | So that's the same as c.l.p.?
>
> It is the same as python-list, which happens to be the same as c.l.p..

Which, to be clear, is a special case: the fact that the mailing list
'python-list' and the newsgroup 'comp.lang.python' interchange
messages, and are effectively the same forum, has nothing to do with
Gmane. That situation predates, and is unaffected by, the introduction
of Gmane.

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aahz at pythoncraft

May 17, 2008, 9:39 PM

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Re: [off-topic] Usenet [In reply to]

In article <6bafdf82-cf8a-42cd-9f72-d98a39fab5b5[at]j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
hdante <hdante[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>
>How can I access Usenet without using Google Groups ? (my ISP doesn't
>have a NNTP server). Do you recommend doing so ?

If you'd like an ISP with a decent news server, I highly recommend
panix.com

>What's your prefered news reader ?

trn3.6, same as it's been for the last eighteen years. ;-)
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