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ben+python at benfinney

Nov 8, 2009, 11:04 PM

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Re: IDLE as default Python editor

anatoly techtonik <techtonik [at] gmail> writes:

> Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community
> that I'd like to ask to Python developers.

This forum is specifically about development *of* Python.

You would do better to ask on the discussion forum for Python users
<URL:http://www.python.org/community/lists/#comp-lang-python>.

Or, if you're interested in gauging interest in a new idea for changing
Python, you could raise it on the ‘python-ideas’ forum
<URL:http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.ideas>.

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ncoghlan at gmail

Nov 9, 2009, 4:43 AM

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Re: IDLE as default Python editor [In reply to]

Ben Finney wrote:
> anatoly techtonik <techtonik [at] gmail> writes:
>
>> Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community
>> that I'd like to ask to Python developers.
>
> This forum is specifically about development *of* Python.

Anatoly's question is actually a fair one for python-dev - we're the
ones that *ship* Idle, so it is legitimate to ask our reasons for
continuing to do so.

Cheers,
Nick.

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martin at v

Nov 9, 2009, 2:10 PM

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Re: IDLE as default Python editor [In reply to]

Nick Coghlan wrote:
> Ben Finney wrote:
>> anatoly techtonik <techtonik [at] gmail> writes:
>>
>>> Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community
>>> that I'd like to ask to Python developers.
>> This forum is specifically about development *of* Python.
>
> Anatoly's question is actually a fair one for python-dev - we're the
> ones that *ship* Idle, so it is legitimate to ask our reasons for
> continuing to do so.

But he didn't - instead, he asked how many of us use it. Usage by
committers is not (or shouldn't be) a primary criterion for including
or not including something. Instead, usage in the community should be,
and python-dev is indeed the wrong place to estimate that.

OTOH, the second (or, rather, third) question (does anybody think it
should be replaced) is indeed on-topic for python-dev.

I didn't really answer that question before, so I do now: I have not
personally plans to replace it, and I'm skeptical wrt. anybody else's
plans unless there is specific code in existence that IDLE could be
replaced *with*.

Regards,
Martin
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ncoghlan at gmail

Nov 10, 2009, 2:47 AM

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Re: IDLE as default Python editor [In reply to]

Martin v. Lwis wrote:
> Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> Ben Finney wrote:
>>> anatoly techtonik <techtonik [at] gmail> writes:
>>>
>>>> Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community
>>>> that I'd like to ask to Python developers.
>>> This forum is specifically about development *of* Python.
>> Anatoly's question is actually a fair one for python-dev - we're the
>> ones that *ship* Idle, so it is legitimate to ask our reasons for
>> continuing to do so.
>
> But he didn't - instead, he asked how many of us use it. Usage by
> committers is not (or shouldn't be) a primary criterion for including
> or not including something. Instead, usage in the community should be,
> and python-dev is indeed the wrong place to estimate that.

I took it as being a somewhat relevant leading question. If the response
had been "No, none of us use it" then the obvious follow-up question
would be "Why do you ship something that you don't consider worth using?".

I agree I was responding to a question that wasn't actually written in
the email though (and as I said in my other message, agree that it can't
be replaced without someone putting up a serious alternative for
consideration that ticks all the same boxes that IDLE currently ticks
and then offers significant improvements over and above that).

Cheers,
Nick.

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g.brandl at gmx

Nov 10, 2009, 2:27 PM

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Re: IDLE as default Python editor [In reply to]

Nick Coghlan schrieb:
> Martin v. Lwis wrote:
>> Nick Coghlan wrote:
>>> Ben Finney wrote:
>>>> anatoly techtonik <techtonik [at] gmail> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community
>>>>> that I'd like to ask to Python developers.
>>>> This forum is specifically about development *of* Python.
>>> Anatoly's question is actually a fair one for python-dev - we're the
>>> ones that *ship* Idle, so it is legitimate to ask our reasons for
>>> continuing to do so.
>>
>> But he didn't - instead, he asked how many of us use it. Usage by
>> committers is not (or shouldn't be) a primary criterion for including
>> or not including something. Instead, usage in the community should be,
>> and python-dev is indeed the wrong place to estimate that.
>
> I took it as being a somewhat relevant leading question. If the response
> had been "No, none of us use it" then the obvious follow-up question
> would be "Why do you ship something that you don't consider worth using?".

Quite simple: because we can't possibly ship Emacs.

cheers,
Georg

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oshecho at gmail

Nov 11, 2009, 9:59 AM

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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Georg Brandl <g.brandl [at] gmx> wrote:
>
> Quite simple: because we can't possibly ship Emacs.
>
> cheers,
> Georg
>

We just need a PyEmacs. Written in python, extensible in elist and
python. Nice and simple ;-D


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fdrake at acm

Nov 11, 2009, 10:50 AM

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Echo <oshecho [at] gmail> wrote:
> We just need a PyEmacs. Written in python, extensible in elist and
> python. Nice and simple ;-D

I'd even give up the elisp support if I could have Python in my Emacs.


-Fred

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drobinow at gmail

Nov 11, 2009, 12:17 PM

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Fred Drake <fdrake [at] acm> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Echo <oshecho [at] gmail> wrote:
>> We just need a PyEmacs. Written in python, extensible in elist and
>> python. Nice and simple ;-D
> I'd even give up the elisp support if I could have Python in my Emacs.
Have you tried Pymacs?
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