Mailing List Archive by Gossamer Threads http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/ en-us (c) Gossamer Threads Inc. All rights reserved. 24 Nov 2009 08:51:53 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg Is there anything holding up fixing issue 1488943? The bug was found and a patch submitted 3 1/2 years ago. The patch is just a single line of code 21 Nov 2009 10:31:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/789267 The wiki page for porting to 3.x says: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingExtensionModulesToPy3k """ long/int Unification In Python 3.0, there is on 21 Nov 2009 07:06:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/789253 I'm pleased to announce that Georg has (naively) volunteered to shepherd the 3.2 release. -- Regards, Benjamin _____________________________________ 19 Nov 2009 15:43:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788963 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 19:45 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote: > A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 03:27:53PM -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > >> H 18 Nov 2009 11:26:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788707 Hello, I've submitted a patch (*) to add an optional timeout to locking operations (Lock.acquire() etc.). Since it's a pretty basic functionality, I 17 Nov 2009 03:46:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788388 I've constructed an example program that does not leak memory in Python 2.x, but causes unbounded memory allocation in Python 3.1. Here is the code: 17 Nov 2009 02:31:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788387 After more thought, I think that separating the 2.7 and 3.2 releases is not as big of an issue as I once thought. Therefore, I'd like to adopt the sch 16 Nov 2009 15:11:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788296 Has anyone else looked at using Coccinelle/spatch[1] on CPython source code? It's a GPL-licensed tool for matching semantic patterns in C source code 16 Nov 2009 12:27:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788274 Michael Foord <fuzzyman@voidspace.org.uk> writes: > myopenid *does* the validation, but my registered openid is > www.voidspace.org.uk and I *should* 15 Nov 2009 13:58:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788054 Benjamin Peterson <benjamin <at> python.org> writes: > > 2009/11/15 Michael Foord <fuzzyman <at> voidspace.org.uk>: > > Well, personally I think it w 15 Nov 2009 12:23:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788040 Python currently accepts global statements at the top level: >>> global foo >>> Beside being a meaningless operation, this might lead unexperienced u 15 Nov 2009 11:55:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/788007 I'm in the process of adding a "run_path" function to the runpy module that allows Python code to execute scripts using the same rules as the CPython 14 Nov 2009 22:04:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787863 benjamin.peterson wrote: > Modified: python/branches/py3k/Lib/tokenize.py > ========================================================================== 14 Nov 2009 19:06:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787850 Hello, http://bugs.python.org/issue4359 reminds me that Distutils reads build files like Makefile or pyconfig.h to get some environment variables thr 14 Nov 2009 17:21:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787825 Martin v. Löwis wrote: >>> This is indeed intentional: people like you won't upload packages to >>> PyPI, nor will they take part in the rating syste 14 Nov 2009 12:31:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787774 While working with the Windows (and now Windows 7) build slaves I've been noticing that a number of "unexpected" test skips are occurring, mostly for 13 Nov 2009 17:51:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787578 Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: > that obscures the real debate. Regardless of the outcome, the poll's > not going to change anyone's mind, and it certainly 13 Nov 2009 16:44:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787575 Sriram, > > Please take this discussion to catalog-sig - python-dev isn't the place > (the fact that many of us didn't immediately know the *right* pl 13 Nov 2009 06:17:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787393 Please don't send me again this email ------Pesan Asli------ Dari:python-dev-request@python.org Pengirim:python-dev-bounces+wa2n39=gmail.com@python. 13 Nov 2009 04:21:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787374 Ben Finney <ben+python <at> benfinney.id.au> writes: > > There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the > PyPI website. Speak 12 Nov 2009 16:52:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787277 FYI: I've written an article for Linux Weekly News on the moratorium & related issues. The article is subscribers-only for a week, but here's a free 12 Nov 2009 09:40:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787123 Sriram Srinivasan wrote: > I guess why every programming language has some kind of a 'standard > library' built in within it. In my view it must not b 12 Nov 2009 02:15:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787039 Why are there comments on PyPI? Moreso, why are there comments which I cannot control as a package author on my very own packages? That's just abs 12 Nov 2009 01:44:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787038 I guess why every programming language has some kind of a 'standard library' built in within it. In my view it must not be called as a 'library' at al 12 Nov 2009 01:23:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/787037 Hi all, I'm using BeautifulSoup to parsing an HTML page and find it refused to parse the page. By looking at the backtrace, I found it is a problem w 11 Nov 2009 08:16:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786891 Hi, I was wondering what's the status of PEP 382. Is anyone (MvL?) is going to start to work on its implementation for Python 2.7/3.2 inclusion ? Re 11 Nov 2009 05:36:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786861 Hi, I think http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3101/ is too liberal with the choice of fill characters for numerical values. As far as I can see, thi 11 Nov 2009 03:36:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786846 Stop email Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -----Original Message----- From: python-dev-request@python.org Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2 10 Nov 2009 16:20:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786776 On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:10 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" <martin@v.loewis.de> wrote: >> >> Anatoly's question is actually a fair one for python-dev - we'r 10 Nov 2009 08:20:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786681 Unreg ------Pesan Asli------ Dari:python-dev-request@python.org Pengirim:python-dev-bounces+wa2n39=gmail.com@python.org Ke:python-dev@python.org Balas 10 Nov 2009 04:21:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786627 > I may well be barking up the wrong tree here, but as a first guess > it looks as though something in the _PySys_Init function in > Python/sysmodule. 09 Nov 2009 14:23:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786572 Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Daniel Stutzbach > <daniel@stutzbachenterprises.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2 09 Nov 2009 13:44:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786560 Hi, while trying to get Python 2.6 working on OpenBSD/sgi (64-bit port) I ran into the following during build: OverflowError: signed integer is grea 09 Nov 2009 09:26:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786519 I think in a prior discussion, it was suggested that build slave updates were ok for this list - I apologize to those who may not be interested. I've 08 Nov 2009 23:29:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786407 anatoly techtonik <techtonik@gmail.com> writes: > Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community > that I'd like to ask to Pyth 08 Nov 2009 23:04:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786406 Hello, Quite an interesting question recently popped up in pygame community that I'd like to ask to Python developers. How many of you use IDLE? Wha 08 Nov 2009 22:45:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786405 SpamBayes has several files which contain raw 8-bit data embedded in string literals. Before I do manual work to make them parseable by 2to3 I though 08 Nov 2009 17:41:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786377 Hi, in a (misguided) bugreport (http://bugs.python.org/issue7279) I was questioning the reasons for allowing NaN comparisons with == and != rather th 08 Nov 2009 08:26:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786297 On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:20 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> writes: > >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:52 PM, David Lyon >> <dav 07 Nov 2009 06:30:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786111 Now that a new SSL vulnerability is out (http://extendedsubset.com/?p=8) should we regenerate binary distributions that include copies of openssl (I t 06 Nov 2009 12:22:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/786017 The buildbot waterfall is much greener now. Thanks to all who have contributed to making it so (and it hasn't just been Mark and Antoine and I, thoug 05 Nov 2009 19:53:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785814 Maciej Fijalkowski, 05.11.2009 11:58: > Python is something that passes most of CPython's test > suite, modulo stuff that is considered implementation 05 Nov 2009 08:40:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785688 Dirkjan Ochtman schrieb: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 13:13, Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> wrote: >> Would you consider Cython a Python implementati 05 Nov 2009 04:53:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785649 Michael Foord, 05.11.2009 12:38: > Stefan Behnel wrote: >> Michael Foord, 05.11.2009 11:18: >>> I think the main point is that Cython is not an >>> im 05 Nov 2009 04:13:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785629 PyCon 2010: Poster sessions =============================================================== Due date: November 30, 2009 PyCon 2010 introduces a new 04 Nov 2009 15:53:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785549 "Martin v. Löwis" <martin@v.loewis.de> writes: > Well, 3to2 would then be an option for you: use Python 3 as the source > language. I was under the 04 Nov 2009 14:23:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785542 Glyph Lefkowitz <glyph <at> twistedmatrix.com> writes: > > Keep in mind also that the 2.x translation process is extremely slow > and results in a 04 Nov 2009 04:43:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785424 Lennart Regebro wrote: > I also would really like to see a real port of the bytes class to 2.6, > but I have a vague memory that there was some reason 04 Nov 2009 04:00:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785406 Hello, It seems that there is no buildbot to test a wide unicode build. On http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/3.x/ all outputs of the "configure" st 03 Nov 2009 15:57:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785293 Brett Cannon <brett <at> python.org> writes: > > I'm afraid there is some FUD going around here, which is > understandable since no one wants to burn 03 Nov 2009 13:56:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785267 I've checked draft (!) PEP 3003, "Python Language Moratorium", into SVN. As authors I've listed Jesse, Brett and myself. On python-ideas the moratori 03 Nov 2009 09:35:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785182 Not that anyone has asked yet, but here's my opinion on two issues that have been raised on the python-dev mailing list lately: +1 on 2.7 r 02 Nov 2009 15:24:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/785007 I've updated PEP 373 with my proposed release schedule: - 2.7/3.2 alpha 1 2009-12-05 - 2.7/3.2 alpha 2 2010-01-09 - 2.7/3.2 alpha 3 2010-02-06 - 2.7/ 02 Nov 2009 12:00:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784962 Why does this happen? >>> type(2**31-1) <type 'long'> It seems to have broken NumPy's RNG on Win32. _________________________________________ 01 Nov 2009 19:22:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784781 Hello, I wondered if someone had a clue about the following behaviour. While debugging an erratic test_mailbox failure on RDM's buildbot (and other m 01 Nov 2009 07:23:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784641 Just wanted to publicly thank everyone who has been causing all the checkins to fix and stabilize the test suite (I think it's mostly Antoine and Mark 31 Oct 2009 14:47:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784544 Martin v. Löwis <martin <at> v.loewis.de> writes: > > Not sure whether it's still relevant after the offers of individually > donated hardware. We' 31 Oct 2009 13:13:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784522 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:58:29PM -0000, exarkun@twistedmatrix.com wrote: > On 04:31 pm, ctb@msu.edu wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:21:06PM +00 30 Oct 2009 12:42:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784328 On 04:31 pm, ctb@msu.edu wrote: >On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:21:06PM +0000, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >>Hello, >> >>Sorry for the little redundancy, I w 30 Oct 2009 09:58:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784266 Hi there, yappi(Yet Another Python Profiler) is a multithreaded profiler for 2.x series(do not know if it will work on 3k, not tested yet). I have do 30 Oct 2009 00:07:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784183 Hello, I would like to ask a few questions and suggestions regarding the ssl module (in Python 2.6). (I gather from [1] that there is some effort g 29 Oct 2009 11:32:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/784081 Hello, What do you think of creating a "buildbot" category in the tracker? There are often problems on specific buildbots which would be nice to trac 29 Oct 2009 07:30:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783977 I just wondered, with the recent flood of new MSDN subscriptions loosed on the developer community, how many people have installed the required versio 28 Oct 2009 20:34:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783868 Hello ! Recently I found a code snippet [1]_ illustrating integration between Python and COM technology in Win32 systems. I tried to reproduce it and 28 Oct 2009 14:28:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783812 Hello, Since the addition of PEP 370, (per-user site packages), site.py and distutils/command/install.py are *both* providing the various installatio 27 Oct 2009 14:55:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783529 [geremy condra] > Was it ever decided whether this would fall under the moratorium? Decided isn't the right word: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/py 27 Oct 2009 12:49:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783487 On behalf of the Python community, I'm happy to announce the availability of Python 2.6.4. This is the latest production-ready version in the Pyt 26 Oct 2009 15:48:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783187 Jesse Noller <jnoller <at> gmail.com> writes: > > So far, fiddling with the PEP, I'm on the fence - adding a method to a > built-in object type is so 26 Oct 2009 13:19:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783125 [GvR] > I still wish we could go back in time and unify sets and dicts, if > only to find out how that experiment would turn out. I'm curious about t 26 Oct 2009 12:56:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783120 Chris Bergstresser] > I like the proposed set.get() method, personally. Sets have been implemented in many languages, but I've only seen one tha 26 Oct 2009 12:23:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783118 Changing the subject to reflect branched discussion and forwarding to python-ideas where it probably belongs. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Terry 26 Oct 2009 09:43:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/783077 Hello there, The last couple of days I've been working on an experimental rewrite of the GIL. Since the work has been turning out rather successful ( 25 Oct 2009 13:22:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782892 Triggered by the recent discussion, I looked at the changes in status display that the buildbot people have implemented recently. I added a few links 25 Oct 2009 13:19:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782902 Would it be worth spending some time discussing the buildbot situation at the PyCon 2010 language summit? In the past, I've found the buildbots to be 25 Oct 2009 01:54:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782802 Sorry for the delay, but I've finally updated PEP 389, the argparse PEP, based on all the feedback from python-dev. The full PEP is below, but in shor 24 Oct 2009 12:10:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782718 Alexander Belopolsky <alexander.belopolsky <at> gmail.com> writes: > > AB> I disagree with Martin. I think interning is a set > AB> operation and it 24 Oct 2009 11:13:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782716 Hello, I am wondering which of the files in Python/thread_*.h are really necessary today. Looking at these files, I think most of them could perhaps 24 Oct 2009 11:02:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782715 BACKGROUND I'm trying to modify the doctest DocTestParser so it will parse docstring code snippets out of a *py file. (Although doctest can parse 23 Oct 2009 23:04:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782609 Hi, here is the first shot to provide a faster means of retrieving an arbitrary element from a set without removing it. The times for =========== 23 Oct 2009 03:23:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782448 Hi, recently I wrote an algorithm, in which very often I had to get an arbitrary element from a set without removing it. Three possibilities came t 23 Oct 2009 02:32:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782447 Another summit, another potential time to see if people want to change anything about the issue tracker. I would bring up: - Dropping Stage in favor 22 Oct 2009 21:47:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782399 Speaking of the __doc__ property, I just noticed the following thing on py3k: >>> class C: pass ... >>> C.__doc__ = "hop" Traceback (most recent cal 22 Oct 2009 09:45:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782292 Hi, issue #7033 proposes a new C API that creates a new exception class with a docstring. Since exception classes should be documented, and adding t 22 Oct 2009 08:43:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782290 I'd like to get a second opinion on bug 7183: http://bugs.python.org/issue7183 The Boost folks have reported this as a regression in 2.6.3, making i 22 Oct 2009 07:44:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782251 Is there any possibility of backporting support for the nonlocal keyword into a 2.x release? I see it's not in 2.6, but I don't know if that was an 21 Oct 2009 18:56:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782113 Is there some public branch for this PEP? I like the idea and glad to look on implementation. Thanks. _______________________________________________ 21 Oct 2009 17:44:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782101 Hi All, I started out some time ago and wrote a Python Package Manager with wxpython. It was an interesting learning experience for me. I was new to 21 Oct 2009 17:34:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782100 You are right, on windows time.clock() is based relative to its first call in the process. There is no such promise made on unix. QueryPerformanceCou 21 Oct 2009 13:33:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782057 In the python-ideas list I've proposed a moratorium on language changes. It seems to be gaining momentum; if you want to have a say, come over. You ca 21 Oct 2009 11:31:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/782037 Hello Kristjan, > This depends entirely on the platform and primitives used to implement the GIL. > I'm interested in windows. Could you try ccbench 21 Oct 2009 03:51:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781969 Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > For example other python implementations might decide to use python > version as long as builtin version does not appear. 21 Oct 2009 03:37:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781968 > -----Original Message----- > From: python-ideas-bounces+kristjan=ccpgames.com@python.org > [mailto:python-ideas-bounces+kristjan=ccpgames.com@python 21 Oct 2009 03:15:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781966 Hi, as some of you know, recently I've released an arbitrary precision C library for decimal arithmetic together with a Python module: http://www.by 20 Oct 2009 06:15:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781777 I'd like to turn over the organization of the VM and Python Language Summits at PyCon 2010 to someone else, one or two people. (The same person doesn 20 Oct 2009 04:43:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781750 http://bugs.python.org/issue6952 Martin v. Löwis suggested that solutions to this issue should be discussed here. My goal is to avoid compiler war 19 Oct 2009 13:39:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781643 Hi Trusted Computing (TC) is a technology developed and promoted by the Trusted Computing Group (TCG)[3]. So, basically the group came up with these 18 Oct 2009 23:29:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781495 Hello everyone. The source tarballs and Windows installers for Python 2.6.4rc2 are now available: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6.4/ 18 Oct 2009 18:20:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781481 Hello, In Objects/longobject.c, there's the SIGCHECK() macro which periodically checks for signals when doing long integer computations (divisions, m 18 Oct 2009 13:01:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781422 According to http://docs.python.org/reference/datamodel.html , the reflected operands functions like __radd__ "are only called if the left operand doe 18 Oct 2009 07:50:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781385 Hello, It turns out (*) that even in py3k, not all modules are PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN. Should we try to remedy that, and make PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN the default 17 Oct 2009 01:33:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/dev/781127