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rurban at x-ray

Nov 21, 2009, 1:26 PM

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illguts-0.10

Gisle,

I worked over your old illguts-0.10 to be uptodate (current blead),
and would like to ask you to give me co-maint, to be able to
upload and maintain it at cpan.

chm attached.

perl porters: I'm sure there are some tiny mistakes here and there.
As I'm busily working on the B::C compiler feedback is welcome.

tardist at http://rurban.xarch.at/software/perl/illguts-0.10.tar.gz
--
Reini Urban
http://phpwiki.org/ http://murbreak.at/

Attachments:

illguts.chm (177 KB)

perl.p5p at rjbs

Nov 21, 2009, 4:17 PM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

* Reini Urban <rurban [at] x-ray> [2009-11-21T16:26:10]
> I worked over your old illguts-0.10 to be uptodate (current blead), and would
> like to ask you to give me co-maint, to be able to upload and maintain it at
> cpan.

That's fantastic, I look forward to trying to learn more guts stuff again!

--
rjbs

rurban at x-ray

Nov 22, 2009, 5:47 AM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

Ricardo Signes schrieb:
> * Reini Urban<rurban [at] x-ray> [2009-11-21T16:26:10]
>> I worked over your old illguts-0.10 to be uptodate (current blead), and would
>> like to ask you to give me co-maint, to be able to upload and maintain it at
>> cpan.
>
> That's fantastic, I look forward to trying to learn more guts stuff again!

I found out that I needed no PAUSE permissions, so I went ahead and
uploaded it. http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/

There are still some wrong leftovers from pre-5.10 Perl, which I'm
fixing day by day.
GV, CV, OP, PAD, Context and my_perl will need some more work.

Today's fixes (0.11) include a pdf also.
--
Reini Urban
http://phpwiki.org/ http://murbreak.at/

gisle at activestate

Nov 22, 2009, 12:57 PM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

On Nov 22, 2009, at 14:47 , Reini Urban wrote:

> Ricardo Signes schrieb:
>> * Reini Urban<rurban [at] x-ray> [2009-11-21T16:26:10]
>>> I worked over your old illguts-0.10 to be uptodate (current blead), and would
>>> like to ask you to give me co-maint, to be able to upload and maintain it at
>>> cpan.
>>
>> That's fantastic, I look forward to trying to learn more guts stuff again!
>
> I found out that I needed no PAUSE permissions, so I went ahead and uploaded it. http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/

That's good. I'm very happy to see some of my old work coming to life again.

For some reason your original message did not reach my p5p folder; so I had to go to gmane for it after I saw Ricardo's reply. I wonder what else I'm missing out on?

--Gisle

rurban at x-ray

Nov 22, 2009, 1:19 PM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

Gisle Aas schrieb:
> On Nov 22, 2009, at 14:47 , Reini Urban wrote:
>
>> Ricardo Signes schrieb:
>>> * Reini Urban<rurban [at] x-ray> [2009-11-21T16:26:10]
>>>> I worked over your old illguts-0.10 to be uptodate (current blead), and would
>>>> like to ask you to give me co-maint, to be able to upload and maintain it at
>>>> cpan.
>>>
>>> That's fantastic, I look forward to trying to learn more guts stuff again!
>>
>> I found out that I needed no PAUSE permissions, so I went ahead and uploaded it. http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/
>
> That's good. I'm very happy to see some of my old work coming to life again.
>
> For some reason your original message did not reach my p5p folder; so I had to go to gmane for it after I saw Ricardo's reply. I wonder what else I'm missing out on?
> --Gisle

The main blocker was learning postscript. I thought for a while to
switch to SVG, but then I found out that postscript isn't that hard and
verbose as SVG, so I'm quite happy with it.

Your book recommendation
http://www-cdf.fnal.gov/offline/PostScript/BLUEBOOK.PDF helped also with
writing postscript functions.

I'm now at 0.12. http://rurban.xarch.at/software/perl/illguts
I added chm, pdf, and content-wise PAD, more about OP's.
The next will be more about CV, CONTEXT, p5rx and the PerlInterpreter
my_perl.
I really need it while working on the compiler.
--
Reini Urban
http://phpwiki.org/ http://murbreak.at/

jim.cromie at gmail

Nov 28, 2009, 11:18 PM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

thanks Reini !

heres a patch to update perlhack's illguts reference
with the 2 links you posted

Attachments:

0001-update-perlhack-s-illguts-reference.patch (1.12 KB)

jesse at fsck

Nov 29, 2009, 1:32 PM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

I'd rather not claim "newly" in docs that are likely to be around a long
time as they rather quickly become a lie.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:18:56AM -0700, Jim Cromie wrote:
> thanks Reini !
>
> heres a patch to update perlhack's illguts reference
> with the 2 links you posted

> From 610375102705b38679556a248bac839f84fea524 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Jim Cromie <jim.cromie [at] gmail>
> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:55:05 -0700
> Subject: [PATCH] update perlhack's illguts reference
>
> illguts is newly maintained !! thanks Reini
> ---
> pod/perlhack.pod | 6 ++----
> 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/pod/perlhack.pod b/pod/perlhack.pod
> index 73dec46..73c06fc 100644
> --- a/pod/perlhack.pod
> +++ b/pod/perlhack.pod
> @@ -322,11 +322,9 @@ best way to study it is to read it in conjunction with poking at Perl
> source, and we'll do that later on.
>
> Gisle Aas's illustrated perlguts (also known as I<illguts>) is wonderful,
> -although a little out of date with regard to some size details; the
> -various SV structures have since been reworked for smaller memory footprint.
> -The fundamentals are right however, and the pictures are very helpful.
> +and now recently updated and maintained:
>
> -L<http://www.perl.org/tpc/1998/Perl_Language_and_Modules/Perl%20Illustrated/>
> +L<http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/|http://rurban.xarch.at/software/perl/illguts>
>
> =item L<perlxstut> and L<perlxs>
>
> --
> 1.6.5.2
>

--

jim.cromie at gmail

Nov 29, 2009, 7:56 PM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:32 PM, jesse <jesse [at] fsck> wrote:
> I'd rather not claim "newly" in docs that are likely to be around a long
> time as they rather quickly become a lie.
>

Ok, heres a timeless, sanitized revision

Attachments:

0001-update-perlhack-s-illguts-reference.patch (1.20 KB)

jim.cromie at gmail

Nov 29, 2009, 8:54 PM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Jim Cromie <jim.cromie [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:32 PM, jesse <jesse [at] fsck> wrote:
>> I'd rather not claim "newly" in docs that are likely to be around a long
>> time as they rather quickly become a lie.
>>
>
>
> Ok, heres a timeless, sanitized revision
>

um, the link I added appears not to conform with
description of L<> forms in
http://www.perl.com/doc/manual/html/pod/perlpod.html

L<name> A link (cross reference) to name
L<name> manual page
L<name/ident> item in manual page
L<name/"sec"> section in other manual page
L<"sec"> section in this manual page
(the quotes are optional)
L</"sec"> ditto
same as above but only 'text' is used for output.
(Text can not contain the characters '|' or '>')
L<text|name>
L<text|name/ident>
L<text|name/"sec">
L<text|"sec">
L<text|/"sec">

but http://www.google.com/codesearch
shows numerous hits for L<> links matching :
L<http.+\|http

perl.p5p at rjbs

Nov 30, 2009, 5:00 AM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

* Jim Cromie <jim.cromie [at] gmail> [2009-11-29T23:54:13]
> um, the link I added appears not to conform with
> description of L<> forms in
> http://www.perl.com/doc/manual/html/pod/perlpod.html
>
> [...]
>
> but http://www.google.com/codesearch
> shows numerous hits for L<> links matching :
> L<http.+\|http

Technically, L<text|http://...> is not allowed, although many Pod parsers will
allow it. I suggest avoiding it.

--
rjbs

rurban at x-ray

Nov 30, 2009, 8:37 AM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

jesse schrieb:
> I'd rather not claim "newly" in docs that are likely to be around a long
> time as they rather quickly become a lie.

Indeed.

> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:18:56AM -0700, Jim Cromie wrote:
>> thanks Reini !
>>
>> heres a patch to update perlhack's illguts reference
>> with the 2 links you posted
>
>> From 610375102705b38679556a248bac839f84fea524 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>> From: Jim Cromie<jim.cromie [at] gmail>
>> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:55:05 -0700
>> Subject: [PATCH] update perlhack's illguts reference
>>
>> illguts is newly maintained !! thanks Reini
>> ---
>> pod/perlhack.pod | 6 ++----
>> 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/pod/perlhack.pod b/pod/perlhack.pod
>> index 73dec46..73c06fc 100644
>> --- a/pod/perlhack.pod
>> +++ b/pod/perlhack.pod
>> @@ -322,11 +322,9 @@ best way to study it is to read it in conjunction with poking at Perl
>> source, and we'll do that later on.
>>
>> Gisle Aas's illustrated perlguts (also known as I<illguts>) is wonderful,
>> -although a little out of date with regard to some size details; the
>> -various SV structures have since been reworked for smaller memory footprint.
>> -The fundamentals are right however, and the pictures are very helpful.
>> +and now recently updated and maintained:
>>
>> -L<http://www.perl.org/tpc/1998/Perl_Language_and_Modules/Perl%20Illustrated/>
>> +L<http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/|http://rurban.xarch.at/software/perl/illguts>
>>
>> =item L<perlxstut> and L<perlxs>
>>
>> --
>> 1.6.5.2

And I'd prefer L<http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/> only.

--
Reini Urban
http://phpwiki.org/ http://murbreak.at/

Attachments:

0002-update-perlhack-s-illguts-reference.patch (0.85 KB)

jesse at fsck

Dec 9, 2009, 2:47 PM

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Re: illguts-0.10 [In reply to]

Thanks. Applied.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 05:37:25PM +0100, Reini Urban wrote:
> jesse schrieb:
> >I'd rather not claim "newly" in docs that are likely to be around a long
> >time as they rather quickly become a lie.
>
> Indeed.
>
> >On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:18:56AM -0700, Jim Cromie wrote:
> >>thanks Reini !
> >>
> >>heres a patch to update perlhack's illguts reference
> >>with the 2 links you posted
> >
> >> From 610375102705b38679556a248bac839f84fea524 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> >>From: Jim Cromie<jim.cromie [at] gmail>
> >>Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:55:05 -0700
> >>Subject: [PATCH] update perlhack's illguts reference
> >>
> >>illguts is newly maintained !! thanks Reini
> >>---
> >> pod/perlhack.pod | 6 ++----
> >> 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> >>
> >>diff --git a/pod/perlhack.pod b/pod/perlhack.pod
> >>index 73dec46..73c06fc 100644
> >>--- a/pod/perlhack.pod
> >>+++ b/pod/perlhack.pod
> >>@@ -322,11 +322,9 @@ best way to study it is to read it in conjunction
> >>with poking at Perl
> >> source, and we'll do that later on.
> >>
> >> Gisle Aas's illustrated perlguts (also known as I<illguts>) is
> >> wonderful,
> >>-although a little out of date with regard to some size details; the
> >>-various SV structures have since been reworked for smaller memory
> >>footprint.
> >>-The fundamentals are right however, and the pictures are very helpful.
> >>+and now recently updated and maintained:
> >>
> >>-L<http://www.perl.org/tpc/1998/Perl_Language_and_Modules/Perl%20Illustrated/>
> >>+L<http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/|http://rurban.xarch.at/software/perl/illguts>
> >>
> >> =item L<perlxstut> and L<perlxs>
> >>
> >>--
> >>1.6.5.2
>
> And I'd prefer L<http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/> only.
>
> --
> Reini Urban
> http://phpwiki.org/ http://murbreak.at/

> diff --git a/pod/perlhack.pod b/pod/perlhack.pod
> index 73dec46..cfbf98e 100644
> --- a/pod/perlhack.pod
> +++ b/pod/perlhack.pod
> @@ -321,12 +321,10 @@ might start to make sense - don't worry if it doesn't yet, because the
> best way to study it is to read it in conjunction with poking at Perl
> source, and we'll do that later on.
>
> -Gisle Aas's illustrated perlguts (also known as I<illguts>) is wonderful,
> -although a little out of date with regard to some size details; the
> -various SV structures have since been reworked for smaller memory footprint.
> -The fundamentals are right however, and the pictures are very helpful.
> +Gisle Aas's "illustrated perlguts", also known as I<illguts>, has very
> +helpful pictures:
>
> -L<http://www.perl.org/tpc/1998/Perl_Language_and_Modules/Perl%20Illustrated/>
> +L<http://search.cpan.org/dist/illguts/>
>
> =item L<perlxstut> and L<perlxs>
>

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