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swinchen at gmail

Aug 16, 2012, 5:41 AM

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graphical access to instances

Hi,

I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
performance than vnc and be secure.

Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.

I looked at several other options including:
2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
would work?)
LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.

Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.

Thank you!

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jon at jonproulx

Aug 16, 2012, 6:27 AM

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Re: graphical access to instances [In reply to]

People around here seem to like FreeNX quite a bit, no real experience
with XRDP so can't compare the two. But FreeNX is faster than either
VNC or old school X forwarding. Of course OpenStack can only handle
the redirected console through VNC, but presuming the instances are
running properly with the right public IP and security group setup to
allow it this won't get in the way of NX as a service on the VMs.

-Jon

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Samuel Winchenbach <swinchen [at] gmail> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
> OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
> electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
> core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
> do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
> an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
> must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
> performance than vnc and be secure.
>
> Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
> currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.
>
> I looked at several other options including:
> 2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
> for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
> would work?)
> LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
> XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.
>
>
> Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.
>
> Thank you!
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenStack-operators mailing list
> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators

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kiall at managedit

Aug 16, 2012, 8:09 AM

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Re: graphical access to instances [In reply to]

I've used FreeNX on OpenStack with success.. There was little to do other
than create a base image and launch it as many times as needed..

The only issue we had was with high (or variable) latency connections.. But
those issues are common to all virtual desktop platforms..

Thanks,
Kiall

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Jonathan Proulx <jon [at] jonproulx> wrote:

> People around here seem to like FreeNX quite a bit, no real experience
> with XRDP so can't compare the two. But FreeNX is faster than either
> VNC or old school X forwarding. Of course OpenStack can only handle
> the redirected console through VNC, but presuming the instances are
> running properly with the right public IP and security group setup to
> allow it this won't get in the way of NX as a service on the VMs.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Samuel Winchenbach <swinchen [at] gmail>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
> > OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
> > electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
> > core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
> > do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
> > an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
> > must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
> > performance than vnc and be secure.
> >
> > Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
> > currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.
> >
> > I looked at several other options including:
> > 2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
> > for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
> > would work?)
> > LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
> > XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.
> >
> >
> > Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OpenStack-operators mailing list
> > OpenStack-operators [at] lists
> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenStack-operators mailing list
> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>

swinchen at gmail

Aug 16, 2012, 8:18 AM

Post #4 of 9 (359 views)
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Re: graphical access to instances [In reply to]

I guess I didn't realize how easy it was to try both. FreeNX
destroyed XRDP in terms of usability. When dragging windows XRDP had
an annoying windowing ghosting issue that took several seconds to
redraw. FreeNX seems very very responsive. Thanks for the
suggestions.

Sam

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Kiall Mac Innes <kiall [at] managedit> wrote:
> I've used FreeNX on OpenStack with success.. There was little to do other
> than create a base image and launch it as many times as needed..
>
> The only issue we had was with high (or variable) latency connections.. But
> those issues are common to all virtual desktop platforms..
>
> Thanks,
> Kiall
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Jonathan Proulx <jon [at] jonproulx> wrote:
>>
>> People around here seem to like FreeNX quite a bit, no real experience
>> with XRDP so can't compare the two. But FreeNX is faster than either
>> VNC or old school X forwarding. Of course OpenStack can only handle
>> the redirected console through VNC, but presuming the instances are
>> running properly with the right public IP and security group setup to
>> allow it this won't get in the way of NX as a service on the VMs.
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Samuel Winchenbach <swinchen [at] gmail>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
>> > OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
>> > electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
>> > core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
>> > do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
>> > an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
>> > must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
>> > performance than vnc and be secure.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
>> > currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.
>> >
>> > I looked at several other options including:
>> > 2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
>> > for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
>> > would work?)
>> > LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
>> > XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.
>> >
>> >
>> > Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > OpenStack-operators mailing list
>> > OpenStack-operators [at] lists
>> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
>

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lorin at nimbisservices

Aug 17, 2012, 1:42 PM

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Re: graphical access to instances [In reply to]

Is FreeNX still actively maintained? According to the web page <http://freenx.berlios.de/>, the last release was four years ago.

Take care,

Lorin
--
Lorin Hochstein
Lead Architect - Cloud Services
Nimbis Services, Inc.
www.nimbisservices.com

On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jonathan Proulx <jon [at] jonproulx> wrote:

> People around here seem to like FreeNX quite a bit, no real experience
> with XRDP so can't compare the two. But FreeNX is faster than either
> VNC or old school X forwarding. Of course OpenStack can only handle
> the redirected console through VNC, but presuming the instances are
> running properly with the right public IP and security group setup to
> allow it this won't get in the way of NX as a service on the VMs.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Samuel Winchenbach <swinchen [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
>> OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
>> electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
>> core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
>> do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
>> an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
>> must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
>> performance than vnc and be secure.
>>
>> Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
>> currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.
>>
>> I looked at several other options including:
>> 2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
>> for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
>> would work?)
>> LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
>> XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.
>>
>>
>> Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenStack-operators mailing list
> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators

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kiall at managedit

Aug 17, 2012, 1:51 PM

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Re: graphical access to instances [In reply to]

I don't believe it is, but it still works and is the best I've found..

Thanks,
Kiall
On Aug 17, 2012 9:46 PM, "Lorin Hochstein" <lorin [at] nimbisservices> wrote:

> Is FreeNX still actively maintained? According to the web page <
> http://freenx.berlios.de/>, the last release was four years ago.
>
> Take care,
>
> Lorin
> --
> Lorin Hochstein
> Lead Architect - Cloud Services
> Nimbis Services, Inc.
> www.nimbisservices.com
>
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jonathan Proulx <jon [at] jonproulx> wrote:
>
> People around here seem to like FreeNX quite a bit, no real experience
> with XRDP so can't compare the two. But FreeNX is faster than either
> VNC or old school X forwarding. Of course OpenStack can only handle
> the redirected console through VNC, but presuming the instances are
> running properly with the right public IP and security group setup to
> allow it this won't get in the way of NX as a service on the VMs.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Samuel Winchenbach <swinchen [at] gmail>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
> OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
> electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
> core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
> do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
> an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
> must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
> performance than vnc and be secure.
>
> Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
> currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.
>
> I looked at several other options including:
> 2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
> for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
> would work?)
> LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
> XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.
>
>
> Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.
>
> Thank you!
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenStack-operators mailing list
> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenStack-operators mailing list
> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>

brian.schott at nimbisservices

Aug 17, 2012, 1:57 PM

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Re: graphical access to instances [In reply to]

Yeah, I think it is that out of date. The google fork neatx was last updated in 2010, so...

-------------------------------------------------
Brian Schott, CTO
Nimbis Services, Inc.
brian.schott [at] nimbisservices
ph: 443-274-6064 fx: 443-274-6060

On Aug 17, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Lorin Hochstein <lorin [at] nimbisservices> wrote:

> Is FreeNX still actively maintained? According to the web page <http://freenx.berlios.de/>, the last release was four years ago.
>
> Take care,
>
> Lorin
> --
> Lorin Hochstein
> Lead Architect - Cloud Services
> Nimbis Services, Inc.
> www.nimbisservices.com
>
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jonathan Proulx <jon [at] jonproulx> wrote:
>
>> People around here seem to like FreeNX quite a bit, no real experience
>> with XRDP so can't compare the two. But FreeNX is faster than either
>> VNC or old school X forwarding. Of course OpenStack can only handle
>> the redirected console through VNC, but presuming the instances are
>> running properly with the right public IP and security group setup to
>> allow it this won't get in the way of NX as a service on the VMs.
>>
>> -Jon
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Samuel Winchenbach <swinchen [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
>>> OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
>>> electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
>>> core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
>>> do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
>>> an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
>>> must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
>>> performance than vnc and be secure.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
>>> currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.
>>>
>>> I looked at several other options including:
>>> 2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
>>> for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
>>> would work?)
>>> LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
>>> XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>>> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
> _______________________________________________
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warren at wangspeed

Aug 17, 2012, 1:59 PM

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Re: graphical access to instances [In reply to]

I would generally recommend running NoMachine's 3.x server, and their
client for Windows clients, and OpenNX for Mac clients. Personally, this
has been the best combo for me, and I use NX on a daily basis. I tried
FreeNX client on OSX, but had problems. You'll have to check for license
issues though. Technically, if you're giving out a VM per client, it will
work.

We've also run it under Openstack on an Ubuntu 12.04 image, and it works
great.

Warren

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Lorin Hochstein
<lorin [at] nimbisservices>wrote:

> Is FreeNX still actively maintained? According to the web page <
> http://freenx.berlios.de/>, the last release was four years ago.
>
> Take care,
>
> Lorin
> --
> Lorin Hochstein
> Lead Architect - Cloud Services
> Nimbis Services, Inc.
> www.nimbisservices.com
>
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jonathan Proulx <jon [at] jonproulx> wrote:
>
> People around here seem to like FreeNX quite a bit, no real experience
> with XRDP so can't compare the two. But FreeNX is faster than either
> VNC or old school X forwarding. Of course OpenStack can only handle
> the redirected console through VNC, but presuming the instances are
> running properly with the right public IP and security group setup to
> allow it this won't get in the way of NX as a service on the VMs.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Samuel Winchenbach <swinchen [at] gmail>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
> OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
> electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
> core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
> do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
> an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
> must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
> performance than vnc and be secure.
>
> Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
> currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.
>
> I looked at several other options including:
> 2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
> for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
> would work?)
> LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
> XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.
>
>
> Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.
>
> Thank you!
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenStack-operators mailing list
> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
>
>
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>
>

btaylor at alpharender

Aug 17, 2012, 3:35 PM

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Re: graphical access to instances [In reply to]

Spice is suppose to be the new hotness but it's betaware last i saw. Check redhat for spice space. It is suppose to integrate directly to qemu lxc. I recall a Linux ands a windows client.

Bryan

Brian Schott <brian.schott [at] nimbisservices> wrote:

>Yeah, I think it is that out of date. The google fork neatx was last updated in 2010, so...
>
>-------------------------------------------------
>Brian Schott, CTO
>Nimbis Services, Inc.
>brian.schott [at] nimbisservices
>ph: 443-274-6064 fx: 443-274-6060
>
>
>
>On Aug 17, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Lorin Hochstein <lorin [at] nimbisservices> wrote:
>
>> Is FreeNX still actively maintained? According to the web page <http://freenx.berlios.de/>, the last release was four years ago.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Lorin
>> --
>> Lorin Hochstein
>> Lead Architect - Cloud Services
>> Nimbis Services, Inc.
>> www.nimbisservices.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jonathan Proulx <jon [at] jonproulx> wrote:
>>
>>> People around here seem to like FreeNX quite a bit, no real experience
>>> with XRDP so can't compare the two. But FreeNX is faster than either
>>> VNC or old school X forwarding. Of course OpenStack can only handle
>>> the redirected console through VNC, but presuming the instances are
>>> running properly with the right public IP and security group setup to
>>> allow it this won't get in the way of NX as a service on the VMs.
>>>
>>> -Jon
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Samuel Winchenbach <swinchen [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am working on what seems to be a rather unusual use-case for
>>>> OpenStack. This fall we would like to give every 1st year
>>>> electrical/computer engineering student a VM (ubuntu 12.04) on 512
>>>> core cluster. On this instance they will run the software required to
>>>> do their assignments, print, etc. I am only familiar with vnc through
>>>> an ssh tunnel and the performance is less than ideal. The replacement
>>>> must have a client that can run on linux, max and windows, have better
>>>> performance than vnc and be secure.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any familiarity with some of the other options? I am
>>>> currently considering FreeNX, and XRDP.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at several other options including:
>>>> 2X TerminalServer - In the download section it does not list a client
>>>> for anything other than windows (not sure if the NoMachine client
>>>> would work?)
>>>> LTSP - A good client for windows/mac seems hard to come by
>>>> XDMCP - Again, it seems as though the client might be a problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any advice, or tips, corrections are welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>>>> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>>> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>> OpenStack-operators [at] lists
>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
>
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