trey.morris at rackspace
Jan 6, 2012, 3:16 PM
Post #3 of 3
"I assume other developers are in the same boat as we often make better
tacticians than politicians."
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Todd Willey <todd at ansolabs.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Mark McLoughlin <markmc at redhat.com> wrote:
> > Hi Todd,
> > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 18:29 -0500, Todd Willey wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Mark McLoughlin <markmc at redhat.com>
> >> >
> >> > The previous thread here that I contributed to felt a little like
> >> > Thierry and I chatting alone in a giant cavern.
> >> >
> >> > That concerns me for two reasons - (1) the silence of all those
> >> > excellent RAX OpenStack developers suggests that those folks are
> >> > afraid to publicly speak their mind on these matters, or they are
> >> > ambivalent about them and (2) there are obviously many other
> >> > happening away from the transparency of this mailing list.
> >> Speaking for myself: I'm more interested in driving the code base
> >> forward than the foundation.
> >> The foundation bits are in the hands of trustworthy people that are
> >> very approachable. Knowing I can ask about it at any time, and that
> >> it is moving forward without having to constantly bird-dog it makes me
> >> happy and able to be productive in other ways.
> > So, generally speaking, RAX hackers are regularly talking (in-person, on
> > private mail, irc, phone?) to the folks working on establishing the
> > foundation and are reassured by what they are hearing back?
> Sorry, the point I was trying to get across is that I don't
> necessarily need to be in discussions to feel confident. I don't
> think I've ever had a conversation about it, but I know they'll be
> responsive when pinged, and the people involved have been active in
> responding to this thread in the last couple of days.
> > I'm reassured that you're reassured (genuinely), but I'd be more
> > reassured if such questions and assurances were happening on this list
> > where I too could be directly reassured by the assurances given ... if
> > you follow me :-)
> I follow you. I just wanted to point out that the reason I'm not
> asking on the list is that I'm not asking at all, because I haven't
> felt any concerns I needed to voice (yet). I think the early stages
> are likely to be very political and getting founding members to feel
> good about their positions in the new foundation. Once the
> discussions are less strategic and more tactical about how we actually
> implement very specific parts of our mission, I'll likely be more
> active. I assume other developers are in the same boat as we often
> make better tacticians than politicians.
> >> I don't think there is going to be any publicly holding back from
> >> developers once there are more substantial bits that we have opinions
> >> on, and we'll register them on the list the same way as everyone else.
> >> Looking at the foundation archives, I'm not sure how you construed
> >> silence on behalf of RAX developers more than anyone else in the first
> >> place. It is very low volume so you have a poor sample to begin with,
> >> and a lot of what is there is in fact from Rackspace employees.
> > Ok, cool. I'm really looking forward to hearing the thoughts of more
> > developers on this stuff.
> > Thanks for the perspective Todd.
> > Cheers,
> > Mark.
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