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frans at meruvian

Aug 1, 2012, 1:13 PM

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Angry People and OpenStack

just got twit

People Are Getting REALLY Angry Over OpenStack, A Key Cloud Tech by
@Julie188 read.bi/OpLhJM

anyone wanna confirmation?

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stefano at openstack

Aug 1, 2012, 2:26 PM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

On 08/01/2012 01:13 PM, Frans Thamura wrote:
> People Are Getting REALLY Angry Over OpenStack, A Key Cloud Tech by

I haven't read that article as I refuse to read something that has such
sensationalistic/tabloid-y approach.

The response by OpenStack leaders is on the Foundation's archive:

http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2012-July/000922.html

I suggest you to read Jonathan's message, keep calm and wait for facts
to emerge with the truth.

/stef

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dce3062 at gmail

Aug 1, 2012, 2:32 PM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

It was expected to have these kind of articles but let us not start it
again on mailing list, we have seen many debates over this on twitter. Let
bygones be bygones.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Frans Thamura <frans [at] meruvian> wrote:

> just got twit
>
> People Are Getting REALLY Angry Over OpenStack, A Key Cloud Tech by
> @Julie188 read.bi/OpLhJM
>
>
> anyone wanna confirmation?
>
>
> F
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john.postlethwait at nebula

Aug 1, 2012, 2:43 PM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

This should have the kibosh put on it, like, right now.

I really do not see what good could come of this discussion on the mailing list. I, personally, know nothing about the details of this supposed email, her running, or her withdrawal, but I see no point in theory-crafting on the mailing list about a supposed scandal...

This entire article reads as something specifically written to cause people to take sides and talking about it on the mailing list can serve no purpose that I see other than causing fragmentation, rumor-mongering, and anger.

Maybe I am wrong, but this should die here...

John Postlethwait
Nebula, Inc.
206-999-4492

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Frans Thamura wrote:

> just got twit
>
> People Are Getting REALLY Angry Over OpenStack, A Key Cloud Tech by @Julie188 read.bi/OpLhJM (http://read.bi/OpLhJM)
>
>
> anyone wanna confirmation?
>
>
> F
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matt.joyce at cloudscaling

Aug 1, 2012, 2:47 PM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

I'd go further and say that regardless of who the person is, or the
situation this list and this community has been pretty on the ball in
ensuring that people treat each other with respect. There have been a
number of incidents in which folks have wandered into questionable
territory on this and I've felt the community has responded fairly well
with due attention and reasoned response.

Personal opinion.

-Matt

dce3062 at gmail

Aug 1, 2012, 3:27 PM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

You must have heard of that famous quote by Mahatma Gandhi:
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then
you win.

This community is crossing the second step. So let us just chill , focus on
our goals and let the people talk. we have much better stuff to do.

Atul.Jha at csscorp

Aug 1, 2012, 8:34 PM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

Hi,

<snip>
You must have heard of that famous quote by Mahatma Gandhi:
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
</snip>
Totally
<snip>
This community is crossing the second step. So let us just chill , focus on our goals and let the people talk. we have much better stuff to do.
</snip>
+1

Let us continue what we are doing, building awesome product.

Cheers!!

Atul Jha

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frans at meruvian

Aug 1, 2012, 8:48 PM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

i believe openstack is the best :0

if the model of open and transparency still issue, we can fix anyway

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Atul.Jha at csscorp

Aug 1, 2012, 9:17 PM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

Hi,

<snip>
i believe openstack is the best :0
</snip>
Indeed it is.

<snip>
if the model of open and transparency still issue, we can fix anyway
</snip>

I don`t see there is any. Its just there are certain section of people who are bound to create FUD and act as TROLL. What we can simply do is to ignore them. :)

Cheers!!

Atul Jha
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razique.mahroua at gmail

Aug 2, 2012, 1:01 AM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

+1 :)

Nuage & Co - Razique Mahroua
razique.mahroua [at] gmail

Le 2 ao�t 2012 � 06:17, Atul Jha <Atul.Jha [at] csscorp> a �crit :

> Hi,
>
> <snip>
> i believe openstack is the best :0
> </snip>
> Indeed it is.
>
> <snip>
> if the model of open and transparency still issue, we can fix anyway
> </snip>
>
> I don`t see there is any. Its just there are certain section of people who are bound to create FUD and act as TROLL. What we can simply do is to ignore them. :)
>
>
> Cheers!!
>
> Atul Jha
> http://www.csscorp.com/common/email-disclaimer.php
>
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george.reese at enstratus

Aug 2, 2012, 7:19 AM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Atul Jha <Atul.Jha [at] csscorp> wrote:

>
> I don`t see there is any. Its just there are certain section of people who are bound to create FUD and act as TROLL. What we can simply do is to ignore them. :)
>

This is a dangerous attitude here.

People who criticize are haters and should be ignored. Stick your head in the sand and ignore the fact that OpenStack governance has a huge trust problem, that the product has stability and compatibility issues.

Attack me for criticizing OpenStack when on a daily basis I am doing a lot of work to get into real world deployments. In the mean time, I know people on this list heaping plenty of public praise on OpenStack who are actively pushing people in private towards alternatives.

Yeah, that'll work really well.

-George

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stefano at openstack

Aug 2, 2012, 8:54 AM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

On Thu 02 Aug 2012 07:19:28 AM PDT, George Reese wrote:
> ignore the fact that OpenStack governance has a huge
> trust problem,

I don't think this is true: It's true that some people don't trust
OpenStack governance, not that the governance is broken. The bylaws
have been discussed for months, the governance model is based on the
processes and principles that have brought OpenStack where it is today.
We can't stop every time to address theoretical concerns expressed by
people that fundamentally don't trust us (and they don't have to).

> that the product has stability and compatibility issues.

Like all products out there: nobody is perfect.

> Attack me for criticizing OpenStack when on a daily basis I am doing a
> lot of work to get into real world deployments.

you've been criticised for your questionable choice of words not for
the content of your criticism.

While you probably ended up in somebody's killfile, your contributions
are still appreciated by many because you *do* real things with
OpenStack (differently from others that just like to *talk* about
OpenStack).

Let's stick to making a great product and have fun meanwhile: this is
an exciting time. OpenStack Foundation is being born, well funded,
supported by a wide spectrum of companies and lots of people. The
future is bright.

/stef

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matt.joyce at cloudscaling

Aug 2, 2012, 11:41 AM

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Re: Angry People and OpenStack [In reply to]

George I like your contributions.

I also like the idea of people treating each other well. Makes it easier
for us to have the discussions you want to have.

-Matt

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Stefano Maffulli <stefano [at] openstack>wrote:

> On Thu 02 Aug 2012 07:19:28 AM PDT, George Reese wrote:
> > ignore the fact that OpenStack governance has a huge
> > trust problem,
>
> I don't think this is true: It's true that some people don't trust
> OpenStack governance, not that the governance is broken. The bylaws
> have been discussed for months, the governance model is based on the
> processes and principles that have brought OpenStack where it is today.
> We can't stop every time to address theoretical concerns expressed by
> people that fundamentally don't trust us (and they don't have to).
>
> > that the product has stability and compatibility issues.
>
> Like all products out there: nobody is perfect.
>
> > Attack me for criticizing OpenStack when on a daily basis I am doing a
> > lot of work to get into real world deployments.
>
> you've been criticised for your questionable choice of words not for
> the content of your criticism.
>
> While you probably ended up in somebody's killfile, your contributions
> are still appreciated by many because you *do* real things with
> OpenStack (differently from others that just like to *talk* about
> OpenStack).
>
> Let's stick to making a great product and have fun meanwhile: this is
> an exciting time. OpenStack Foundation is being born, well funded,
> supported by a wide spectrum of companies and lots of people. The
> future is bright.
>
> /stef
>
> _______________________________________________
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