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stefano at openstack

May 24, 2012, 5:02 PM

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New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists

Hello folks,

we're working on a new mailing list server to host our discussions. The
main factor behind the move was described in this message by ttx:

http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/ybwazse63sgxozh2

The current layout is drafted on
http://etherpad.openstack.org/newmlist-layout

The open questions remain:

- what to do with the current list hosted on Launchpad (and its archive)
- where to host the list for DevOps (if we agree we need to add one)

What do you suggest to do?

thanks
stef

PS sent to the openstack dev list only FYI. Please keep the discussion
on the openstack-community list.

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berrange at redhat

May 25, 2012, 1:04 AM

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Re: New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists [In reply to]

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 05:02:25PM -0700, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> we're working on a new mailing list server to host our discussions. The
> main factor behind the move was described in this message by ttx:
>
> http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/ybwazse63sgxozh2
>
>
> The current layout is drafted on
> http://etherpad.openstack.org/newmlist-layout

I'm surprised to see the announce list being removed. What is the
rational for that. Most large projects have a very low traffic
list (~1 msg per day) dedicated for project announcements of new
releases, security notices, important community messages etc, that
is explicitly separate from the general users / developpers lists
which are high traffic.

Regards,
Daniel
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stefano at openstack

May 25, 2012, 8:49 AM

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Re: New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists [In reply to]

On Fri 25 May 2012 01:04:20 AM PDT, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> I'm surprised to see the announce list being removed. What is the
> rational for that. Most large projects have a very low traffic
> list (~1 msg per day) dedicated for project announcements of new
> releases, security notices, important community messages etc, that
> is explicitly separate from the general users / developpers lists
> which are high traffic.

The rationale is that in 2012 we have better ways to send announcements
out: blogs, RSS, twitter, G+, newsletters, etc. Besides, the list
hasn't been used for months and nobody complained for the lack of
content.

In any case, my idea is to replace the list with a newsletter: people
interested in receiving regular updates (like the weekly newsletter I
send out) will subscribe there.

cheers,
stef

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dtroyer at gmail

May 25, 2012, 9:37 AM

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Re: New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists [In reply to]

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Stefano Maffulli
<stefano [at] openstack> wrote:
> The rationale is that in 2012 we have better ways to send announcements
> out: blogs, RSS, twitter, G+, newsletters, etc. Besides, the list
> hasn't been used for months and nobody complained for the lack of
> content.

Just because it hasn't been used doesn't mean it shouldn't be
used...there have been a number of notices on the -dev list recently
that could/should have gone out on announcements (folsom-1
yesterday?).

> In any case, my �idea is to replace the list with a newsletter: people
> interested in receiving regular updates (like the weekly newsletter I
> send out) will subscribe there.

Part of the point of low-volume announce lists is that when something
_does_ show up from there you pay attention to it. I don't think
parsing through a newsletter achieves the same result at all, neither
do blogs or twitter/FB/G+ unless those accounts are functional
equivalents to -announce, then its just a matter of remembering to go
check them.

dt

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rbryant at redhat

May 25, 2012, 11:03 AM

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Re: New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists [In reply to]

On 05/25/2012 12:37 PM, Dean Troyer wrote:
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Stefano Maffulli
> <stefano [at] openstack> wrote:
>> The rationale is that in 2012 we have better ways to send announcements
>> out: blogs, RSS, twitter, G+, newsletters, etc. Besides, the list
>> hasn't been used for months and nobody complained for the lack of
>> content.
>
> Just because it hasn't been used doesn't mean it shouldn't be
> used...there have been a number of notices on the -dev list recently
> that could/should have gone out on announcements (folsom-1
> yesterday?).
>
>> In any case, my idea is to replace the list with a newsletter: people
>> interested in receiving regular updates (like the weekly newsletter I
>> send out) will subscribe there.
>
> Part of the point of low-volume announce lists is that when something
> _does_ show up from there you pay attention to it. I don't think
> parsing through a newsletter achieves the same result at all, neither
> do blogs or twitter/FB/G+ unless those accounts are functional
> equivalents to -announce, then its just a matter of remembering to go
> check them.

We have been posting security advisories to the main mailing list. I
worry that they get missed by a lot of pepole since it's such a high
volume list. Using the announce list would be great for those.

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stefano at openstack

May 25, 2012, 1:00 PM

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Re: New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists [In reply to]

On Fri 25 May 2012 11:03:40 AM PDT, Russell Bryant wrote:
> We have been posting security advisories to the main mailing list.

I'm interested to understand why you've done that. The announce list
has always existed, but nobody uses it.

> I
> worry that they get missed by a lot of pepole since it's such a high
> volume list. Using the announce list would be great for those.

Consider that the new layout is designed to redistribute the volume of
emails now only on the Launchpad list to two lists, so traffic should
not be a big issue for a while.

Having too many lists is a bad user experience: we should have only the
ones we really need, with well described objectives and topics so that
new users know where to go find the information they're looking for. In
my experience, more lists means more messages (due to cross posting
--just in case, you'll never know), not less.

/stef

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rbryant at redhat

May 25, 2012, 1:08 PM

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Re: New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists [In reply to]

On 05/25/2012 04:00 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
> On Fri 25 May 2012 11:03:40 AM PDT, Russell Bryant wrote:
>> We have been posting security advisories to the main mailing list.
>
> I'm interested to understand why you've done that. The announce list
> has always existed, but nobody uses it.

For me, I forgot about it ... because nobody uses it. :-)

>> I
>> worry that they get missed by a lot of pepole since it's such a high
>> volume list. Using the announce list would be great for those.
>
> Consider that the new layout is designed to redistribute the volume of
> emails now only on the Launchpad list to two lists, so traffic should
> not be a big issue for a while.
>
> Having too many lists is a bad user experience: we should have only the
> ones we really need, with well described objectives and topics so that
> new users know where to go find the information they're looking for. In
> my experience, more lists means more messages (due to cross posting
> --just in case, you'll never know), not less.
>
> /stef

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Atul.Jha at csscorp

May 26, 2012, 6:46 AM

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Re: New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists [In reply to]

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From: openstack-bounces+atul.jha=csscorp.com [at] lists [openstack-bounces+atul.jha=csscorp.com [at] lists] on behalf of Stefano Maffulli [stefano [at] openstack]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:19 PM
To: Daniel P. Berrange
Cc: User Groups Community, OpenStack; openstack
Subject: Re: [Openstack] New layout of the OpenStack mailing lists

On Fri 25 May 2012 01:04:20 AM PDT, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> I'm surprised to see the announce list being removed. What is the
> rational for that. Most large projects have a very low traffic
> list (~1 msg per day) dedicated for project announcements of new
> releases, security notices, important community messages etc, that
> is explicitly separate from the general users / developpers lists
> which are high traffic.

The rationale is that in 2012 we have better ways to send announcements
out: blogs, RSS, twitter, G+, newsletters, etc. Besides, the list
hasn't been used for months and nobody complained for the lack of
content.

+1

In any case, my idea is to replace the list with a newsletter: people
interested in receiving regular updates (like the weekly newsletter I
send out) will subscribe there.

cheers,
stef

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