Mailing List Archive by Gossamer Threads http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/ en-us (c) Gossamer Threads Inc. All rights reserved. 12 Feb 2012 14:26:48 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg 0100 please update to the latest SVN rev Regards Alfredo On Feb 12, 2012, at 7:21 PM, 0100 wrote: > Please can someone help? > > On Friday, Febru 12 Feb 2012 10:26:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28468 Please can someone help? On Friday, February 10, 2012, 0100 <suroot@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi. > > I can't get two simultaneous daemons to listen on the 12 Feb 2012 10:21:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28467 Hi. I can't get two simultaneous daemons to listen on the same interface. After reading it seems like this is usually due to quick_mode being enabled 10 Feb 2012 12:38:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28461 Luca, I noticed that in sessions.c the "#ifdef DEBUG" lines that surround the scanIdleTimedoutSessions message have been commented out, was wonder 10 Feb 2012 10:58:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28460 Hi Alfredo, Thank you very much. It turns out that that include was misplaced. For everyone to know, we were able to finally compile the bnx2 driver 10 Feb 2012 04:44:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28459 Josr pfring_ptr is defined in linux/pf_ring.h: #define pfring_ptr ec_ptr make sure you are including it Regards Alfredo On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:16 P 09 Feb 2012 03:32:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28456 Hi Luca, I am aware you don't have Broadcom NICs, but I was just wondering if some of you had ever encountered this kind of errors: 'struct net_devi 09 Feb 2012 03:16:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28455 Jose we have no Broadcom NICs and this I cannot maintain these drivers. Shall you be willing to fix these issues, please send us a code patch Thanks 09 Feb 2012 02:56:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28454 Hello, I've tried to compile the same problems that other person had earlier with bnx2 driver provided by pf_ring, as per: http://listgateway.unipi.i 09 Feb 2012 02:00:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28451 Hello, I got the following kernel oops panic condition while running urlsnarf and tshark. Both of them has the same error. I have no error with tcpdu 08 Feb 2012 07:49:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28447 hi, I'm trying to use nprobe/ntop as a netflow collector/analyser. I've followed this simple howto: http://www.ntop.org/nprobe/using-ntop-as-a-flow-c 08 Feb 2012 04:43:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28446 Just got another one that I thought you all might want to see and ponder on: Feb 6 18:51:39 ring ntop[21554]: **ERROR** Buffer too short @ session 06 Feb 2012 17:00:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28439 Installed NTop from svn on Feb 2: "Welcome to ntop v.4.1.2 (64 bit) [Configured on Feb 2 2012 13:28:28, built on Feb 2 2012 13:30:33]" Worked fine 06 Feb 2012 16:54:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28438 Dear All, I would like to capture 128 bits of my packets via pfring. I saw this structure struct pkt_parsing_info but I already used most 05 Feb 2012 19:35:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28435 hi you know,  i receive error when i try to compile the nprobe and its plugins source files. I think the package's been written seperately by differe 05 Feb 2012 12:57:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28434 Hi Luca, > we removed this code as it was strict so not too many different filter > types could not be accommodated as many people want. If you go ba 01 Feb 2012 23:11:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28413 Jaime we removed this code as it was strict so not too many different filter types could not be accommodated as many people want. If you go back with 01 Feb 2012 13:36:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28412 Hi all, I remember there was some kind of bloom filtering capability included in pf_ring but seems it has been removed. May I ask why it was 01 Feb 2012 04:54:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28405 Thanks Luca, That did work! Is there any way we can control this dynamically? i.e make PF_RING poll only when your application inserts someth 31 Jan 2012 06:18:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28402 Dear Sir/Madam I have just run nprobe on my system. without any options. Here's a sample output: bash-3.1# nprobe 30/Jan/2012 20:38:00 [nprobe.c:258 30 Jan 2012 08:13:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28399 Daniel PF_RING attempts to reduce the number of polls, by using the watermark that is a minimum number of packets that need to be received before PF 30 Jan 2012 01:12:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28398 Hi Luca, I am using the following config pfRing (on my linux version 2.6.18-194.17.1.el5) [root@localhost ~]# cat /proc/net/pf_ring/info PF_RIN 29 Jan 2012 19:20:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28395 Alfredo, >>Actually we are aware that the bnx2 PF_RING-aware driver is an old release I figured as much. Thanks for the confirmation. I have 28 Jan 2012 06:07:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28390 Sorry guys we don't have such hardware in our lab to reproduce the issue. Actually we are aware that the bnx2 PF_RING-aware driver is an old release a 28 Jan 2012 01:32:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28389 Fresh install + updates of Fedora 16. e1000 PF_Ring Aware driver: make: make -C /lib/modules/3.1.9-1.fc16.i686/build SUBDIRS=/root/PF_RING/drivers/P 27 Jan 2012 21:10:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28388 That's what I've come down to also. I'm searching for hardware that has the e1000e chipset and will give that a try next. I just wanted to make sure 27 Jan 2012 13:25:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28383 Richard, You are not alone. I've been working on a Dell 2950 with two Broadcom 5708's on board. I've seen the same behavior: pfcount (or tcpdump) o 27 Jan 2012 13:22:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28382 Thank You! That fix worked well. I was able to compile both the PF_Ring and the bnx2 driver. Now I seem to have another problem though... I removed 27 Jan 2012 12:35:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28381 Richard please update to svn rev.5134 and let us know Regards Alfredo On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:48 AM, Richard Ullrich wrote: > Has anyone successfully 26 Jan 2012 17:15:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28380 Has anyone successfully compiled and used the current svn build (5133) with CentOS 6.2 ? When I attempt the /PF_RING/kernel/make, I get : make -C /l 26 Jan 2012 16:48:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28379 *Much thanks for your reply, Luca:* *The question is pfring_recv function is still the same. Watermark is just added to different applications, like p 21 Jan 2012 10:13:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28362 Eugene this is old stuff. In the current PF_RING we use a different approach. We implement the concept of watermark (i.e. a minimum amount of packets 21 Jan 2012 00:33:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28355 Great! Luca On Jan 17, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Brian Behrens wrote: > Awesome, I have synced and applied to my svn working arm. I also just checked on 21 Jan 2012 00:31:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28354 Hi Luca: I have a small question about your paper "Beyond Device Polling": *In the last month the real-time patch issue has been solved using an 18 Jan 2012 19:17:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28348 17 Jan 2012 17:18:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28342 Awesome, I have synced and applied to my svn working arm. I also just checked on the busy network and have seen a max session count of 68415, probl 17 Jan 2012 08:26:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28338 Brian the patch looks good to me and I have committed it and I am now using on my test lab. Many thanks for all, Luca On Jan 17, 2012, at 2:23 PM, 17 Jan 2012 07:45:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28337 Luca, Here is the patch file. Found disagreements between unsigned short and unsigned integers. The unsigned short as a 65535 limit, thus where th 17 Jan 2012 05:23:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28331 Great! Luca On 01/17/2012 02:10 PM, Brian Behrens wrote: > > Luca, > > Thanks, I have found the issue. I am correcting it now, working on a > pat 17 Jan 2012 05:12:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28330 Luca, Thanks, I have found the issue. I am correcting it now, working on a patch and will submit it to you, probably within the hour... --Bria 17 Jan 2012 05:10:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28329 Brian thanks for the update. Please let me know if you need support from my side Cheers Luca On 01/17/2012 01:14 PM, Brian Behrens wrote: > > Luca, 17 Jan 2012 05:04:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28328 Luca, As of this morning, my one instance passed 65535 sessions, and ntop would not see more than that even though the command line is set. I wil 17 Jan 2012 04:14:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28327 Hi Luca: I'm using PF_ring to capture packets, so I have to choose using "active waiting", or "passively waiting". My understanding is active waiting 16 Jan 2012 11:48:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28323 I understand, guess sometimes the compiles go by so fast on my machine I miss stuff. I will keep an eye on it, I just re-built it and on the config 16 Jan 2012 05:33:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28316 Brian I did that change because the compiler (it was right) was complaining. Is this causing side effects? If so let's address them: I didn't want to 16 Jan 2012 05:22:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28315 Luca, I noticed you changed my u_int back to int in prefs.c. I had to change this because I could not get the max sessions, max hash above 65535. 16 Jan 2012 05:09:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28314 Hi, I'm running into an issue after configuring nProbe with an unprivileged user. I was able to run autogen.sh without issue but running make runs in 09 Jan 2012 12:06:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28273 Hi, I experienced a sudden nprobe CPU raise (from less than 20% to 95%). At about the time this happened, I found this (and only this....) message in 06 Jan 2012 02:54:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28265 Hi Luca: I have a problem about multiple PF-ring working on one machine together, so would there be a severe racing between different rings£¿£¿ Since 30 Dec 2011 09:17:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28253 Hello, How can I get data through PF_RING using hash filtering to a virtual interface (tun/tap devices) without having to open this interface and re 29 Dec 2011 16:25:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28252 Je suis absent(e) du bureau jusqu'au 02/01/2012 I am currently out of office with limited access to e-mail. I will be back on January, 2nd. For urg 28 Dec 2011 07:03:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28249 Luca, I have e-mailed you some patches that have corrected some issues for me, and I have not had a segfault with these patches implemented in over a 28 Dec 2011 05:53:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28248 On Dec 22, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Y J wrote: >> Yann >> if your plugin allocates for instance a "struct your_plugin_data" and sets > the >> pointer into p 22 Dec 2011 08:47:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28237 > Yann > if your plugin allocates for instance a "struct your_plugin_data" and sets the > pointer into parse_buffer.mem and the length into parse_buff 22 Dec 2011 08:43:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28236 Yann if your plugin allocates for instance a "struct your_plugin_data" and sets the pointer into parse_buffer.mem and the length into parse_buffer.mem 22 Dec 2011 08:36:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28235 >Yann >Yes it is possible, your plugin function has to allocate a struct >parse_buffer to be assigned to the parse_memory parameter, filling .mem and 22 Dec 2011 08:19:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28232 Fernando you're not missing anything this time. Please patch the code and send us the diff. It looks like the clock frequency routine of pfsend is bug 15 Dec 2011 06:39:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28210 Thanks for your replies. However, I tried to run the tool without -f with no result (still sends packet at a much more higher rate than configured): 15 Dec 2011 04:11:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28209 Fernando pfsend is an example application and in actual implementation the -r parameter works fine only without the -f option (it uses the -l paramete 15 Dec 2011 03:10:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28208 Fernando pfsend is a test utility and we have not planned to make it a network testing tool. However we're willing to improve it. The tool uses -r pro 15 Dec 2011 03:06:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28207 Hi everyone, I just installed the more recent (demo) version of PF_RING DNA driver for ixgbe, in order to make stress tests on a new router platform. 15 Dec 2011 03:00:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28206 Scott no pfring_send is not thread safe: this is not good. Please file a bug on http://bugzilla.ntop.org and we'll fix it thanks Luca On Dec 13, 201 13 Dec 2011 09:24:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28205 Luca, Thank you. I have another question: is pfring_send thread-safe? I notice that pfring_open includes a re-entrant flag but I want to make sure 13 Dec 2011 09:14:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28204 Ahh, I just did a compare between the two files and I have been experimenting with adding the network dot graphs back into ntop. The correct line 13 Dec 2011 08:14:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28202 Scott #define NO_TX_SLOT_AVAILABLE -3 means that there is no slot available, i.e. you try to send but the card is unable to send out the packet. Th 13 Dec 2011 07:04:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28201 On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Brian Behrens wrote: > This is the latest svn build. Not sure why the version server is throwing the August date when r 13 Dec 2011 07:02:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28200 This is the latest svn build. Not sure why the version server is throwing the August date when requested, but this is indeed the latest svn update. 13 Dec 2011 06:59:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28199 Brian I have just realized that this code is pretty old (august). Please resync before trying again Luca On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Brian Behrens 13 Dec 2011 06:55:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28198 Brian I need to check this (I see you use a 9k MTU). CAn you please try to debug the core if it happens again? Thanks Luca On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:1 13 Dec 2011 06:49:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28197 I'm using pf_ring with a Silicom NIC and am having a problem with pfring_send. Sometimes, I get into a situation where all attempts to call pfring_se 12 Dec 2011 12:47:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28194 Hi, I check for protocol 58 and then ask for icmp type and code. Type and code then are 0 sometimes. I cannot send a dump because of privacy restricti 12 Dec 2011 12:21:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28193 Luca, Looks like I made it two days before a segfault occurred, here is the logs: Dec 8 13:14:59 probe ntop[856]: THREADMGMT[t140664941140320]: 12 Dec 2011 04:19:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28192 Dominik in nprobe if you set the flow template that includes ICMP, then all flows (even non ICMP) will have such field (ICMP_TYPE in this case) set. A 11 Dec 2011 08:29:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28191 Hi Luca, o.k. that looks good. Somehow i missed this help text. Sorry and thank you for your answer. But is there any explaination about type and fl 11 Dec 2011 01:42:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28190 Dominik in nprobe deri@iMacLuca 58> ./nprobe -h|grep ICM [ 32] %ICMP_TYPE %icmpTypeCodeIPv4 ICMP Type * 256 + ICMP code 11 Dec 2011 00:36:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28189 Hi I am using nprobe in version 6.5.0_052311_pro tying to analyse ICMPv6 traffic. But can't explain to myself how icmpv6 flags and types are generate 10 Dec 2011 03:57:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28187 Brian I have committed the change. I hope it works now Thanks Luca On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Brian Behrens wrote: > Luca, > > Line 55 of ssl.c, 08 Dec 2011 11:59:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28184 Luca, Line 55 of ssl.c, removal of the "-" sign before "myGlobals.newSock" corrected the issue for me. I did browse the svn source, and made sure th 08 Dec 2011 10:50:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28183 Brian as soon as I find some time I need to migrate from opens to GnuTLS. I cannot reproduce this error if you can please debug it a bit so I can gues 08 Dec 2011 08:40:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28181 Luca, Just tried to get SSL going, and the server starts it, but when you go to access the site, it instantly segfaults out. I just tried a test 08 Dec 2011 06:57:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28180 Yann Yes it is possible, your plugin function has to allocate a struct parse_buffer to be assigned to the parse_memory parameter, filling .mem and .m 07 Dec 2011 07:18:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28179 Hello, I wonder if there is a way to add a custom PF_RING extended packet header with field that can be filled by a PF_Ring plugin. Yann 07 Dec 2011 06:49:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28178 Fernando these flows are very badly formed as ASA is emitting a lot of j*nk. This said I have put a patch for this in the ntop SVN. Please update and 07 Dec 2011 06:00:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28177 Dear mailing lists, I have the follow problem: all my netflow traffic are discarted because: "Flows with Zero Byte Count" somebody knows the reason? 07 Dec 2011 02:02:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28176 Right. The forum just awaits a mail from you saying "ntop is no longer crashing". Cheers Luca On Dec 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Brian Behrens wrote: > Lu 05 Dec 2011 07:08:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28173 Luca, I will apply that update and send you the config file as well as a extended output of my logfile in case there is anything interesting in it. 05 Dec 2011 06:59:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28172 Brian 1. how do you start ntop (command line options)? 2. I have just made a small fix. Please resync from SVN and let me know. The short buffer mess 05 Dec 2011 05:58:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28171 Luca, I am not sure what quite has happened. But the segfaults have returned. IE: Dec 3 13:13:43 probe ntop[882]: **ERROR** Buffer too short @ r 05 Dec 2011 04:50:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28170 Alfredo, Let's start with the debug DNA library. I'll look into what it whether we can get you ssh access. =s= On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:51 AM, 30 Nov 2011 09:58:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28157 Scott I see and agree with you, PF_RING stops reading packets and we need to understand why. We have two choices: 1. I can put my hands directly on y 30 Nov 2011 09:51:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28156 Alfredo, At a high level, the results with pause behavior disabled is the same. However, we see a couple of interesting differences. First, the ban 30 Nov 2011 09:39:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28155 Scott please try following the order sudo ethtool -A dna0 autoneg off sudo ethtool -A dna0 rx off sudo ethtool -A dna0 tx off Alfredo On Nov 30, 201 30 Nov 2011 06:11:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28152 Alfredo, By simultaneously watching the switch's statistics and pfcount, we see that initially the switch sees no pause frames and pfcount sees packe 29 Nov 2011 17:28:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28150 Scott it is possible that the flow control slows down a link, but in your case it just stops. If you want you can try with these commands to see if s 29 Nov 2011 17:07:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28149 Alfredo, We looked at the statistics produced by our switch and discovered that when pfcount stops reporting received packets, we start seeing Pause 29 Nov 2011 16:07:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28148 Scott actually we recommend kernels > 2.6.18 with vanilla PF_RING, not with DNA. However 2.6.31 should be fine. Upgrading to a newer version is not a 29 Nov 2011 09:46:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28145 Alfredo, I noticed that our machine is running an older kernel (2.6.31.5-127). The PF_RING webpage states that it works with kernels 2.6.18 and newer 29 Nov 2011 09:20:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28144 Hello nprobe is already available for download, or you can get a binary demo in http://www.ntop.org/demo/ Regards Luca On 11/29/2011 10:22 AM, grar 29 Nov 2011 02:31:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28140 > If not installed in the system library "opendpi" should be added to this > nprobe.c: > diff nprobe_6.6.5_110111.1/nprobe.c nprobe_6.6.5_110111/nprob 29 Nov 2011 01:22:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28139 Ryan we have implemented filtering in DNA, putting it on vanilla PF_RING is something we might do after we have completed some pending projects Luca 28 Nov 2011 22:09:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ntop/misc/28137