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thomas at cis

Apr 26, 2012, 2:09 PM

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www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame?

Hi,

The webserver of

www.internethalloffame.org

has an AAAA-Record, but the routing to the host is disturbed in some parts of
the internet.
If you reach the server then port 80 is problematic.

Regards,

Thomas Schäfer

sm at resistor

Apr 26, 2012, 2:20 PM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

At 14:09 26-04-2012, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
>The webserver of
>
>www.internethalloffame.org
>
>has an AAAA-Record, but the routing to the host is disturbed in some parts of
>the internet.
>If you reach the server then port 80 is problematic.

For HTML content (ajax.googleapis.com CNAME):

;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 32404
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;googleapis.l.google.com. IN AAAA

Regards,
-sm

owens at nysernet

Apr 26, 2012, 2:24 PM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:20:38PM -0700, SM wrote:
> At 14:09 26-04-2012, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
> >The webserver of
> >
> >www.internethalloffame.org
> >
> >has an AAAA-Record, but the routing to the host is disturbed in some parts
> >of
> >the internet.
> >If you reach the server then port 80 is problematic.
>
> For HTML content (ajax.googleapis.com CNAME):
>
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 32404
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;googleapis.l.google.com. IN AAAA
>

;; ANSWER SECTION:
googleapis.l.google.com. 300 IN AAAA 2001:4860:800f::5f

Whitelisted resolver ;)

Bill.

sm at resistor

Apr 26, 2012, 2:49 PM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

At 14:24 26-04-2012, Bill Owens wrote:
>;; ANSWER SECTION:
>googleapis.l.google.com. 300 IN AAAA 2001:4860:800f::5f
>
>Whitelisted resolver ;)

I forgot about the considerations for transitioning to IPv6. :-)

Regards,
-sm

owens at nysernet

Apr 26, 2012, 3:10 PM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 02:49:09PM -0700, SM wrote:
> At 14:24 26-04-2012, Bill Owens wrote:
> >;; ANSWER SECTION:
> >googleapis.l.google.com. 300 IN AAAA 2001:4860:800f::5f
> >
> >Whitelisted resolver ;)
>
> I forgot about the considerations for transitioning to IPv6. :-)

The good news is that six weeks from now everyone who asks for that AAAA will get it. Of course if you're like www.worldipv6launch.org and you rely on Typekit for nice-looking fonts, you still won't get them over v6. In their case the web page still looks okay on a v6-only machine but I could easily imagine other cases where the difference would be more pronounced. . .

Bill.

thomas at cis

May 1, 2012, 7:17 AM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame?, update [In reply to]

Am Donnerstag, 26. April 2012 um 23:09:36 schrieb Thomas Schäfer:
> Hi,
>
> The webserver of
>
> www.internethalloffame.org
>

> has an AAAA-Record, but the routing to the host is disturbed in some parts
> of the internet.

This problem is still there.

> If you reach the server then port 80 is problematic.

If you reach the server - tcp/ 80 answers - solved.

Regards,
Thomas

jogi at mur

May 2, 2012, 1:55 AM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame?, update [In reply to]

On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 04:17:54PM +0200, Thomas SchÃ¤fer wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 26. April 2012 um 23:09:36 schrieb Thomas SchÃ¤fer:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The webserver of
> >
> > www.internethalloffame.org
> >
>
> > has an AAAA-Record, but the routing to the host is disturbed in some parts
> > of the internet.
>
> This problem is still there.

Works from my point of view: AS39837 2a02:3e0::/32 route OK [1] and
webserver responds by serving the pages.

[1] traceroute to www.internethalloffame.org (2001:1978:1100:8::11), 30 hops
max, 80 byte packets
1 2a02:3e0:2::1 0.381 ms 0.721 ms 0.699 ms
2 2001:628:1600:1003::1 1.547 ms 1.562 ms 2.327 ms
3 2001:628:1000:6001::1 4.334 ms 4.429 ms 4.725 ms
4 2001:628:1100:1::1 4.636 ms 4.625 ms 5.173 ms
5 2001:718:0:c000::1 7.967 ms 8.041 ms 9.148 ms
6 2001:7f8:14::3:1 10.953 ms 10.795 ms 11.658 ms
7 2001:7f8:14::3:1 11.616 ms 12.361 ms 12.317 ms
8 2001:668:0:2::1:2821 191.699 ms 190.760 ms 190.535 ms
9 2001:668:0:3::8000:582 175.469 ms 175.897 ms 176.201 ms
10 2001:1978:2:5::2e 178.460 ms 179.413 ms 179.309 ms
11 2001:1978:2:5::25 179.778 ms 179.329 ms 179.304 ms
12 2001:1978:2:5::56 179.854 ms 179.739 ms 179.910 ms
13 2001:1978:1100:8::11 183.645 ms 183.341 ms 182.649 ms

j.
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j.hofmÃ¼ller http://users.mur.at/thesix/

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inigo at infornografia

May 2, 2012, 2:10 AM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame?, update [In reply to]

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jogi Hofmüller <jogi [at] mur> wrote:

> On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 04:17:54PM +0200, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 26. April 2012 um 23:09:36 schrieb Thomas Schäfer:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The webserver of
> > >
> > > www.internethalloffame.org
> > >
> >
> > > has an AAAA-Record, but the routing to the host is disturbed in some
> parts
> > > of the internet.
> >
> > This problem is still there.
>
> Works from my point of view: AS39837 2a02:3e0::/32 route OK [1] and
> webserver responds by serving the pages.
>
> [1] traceroute to www.internethalloffame.org (2001:1978:1100:8::11), 30
> hops
> max, 80 byte packets
> 1 2a02:3e0:2::1 0.381 ms 0.721 ms 0.699 ms
> 2 2001:628:1600:1003::1 1.547 ms 1.562 ms 2.327 ms
> 3 2001:628:1000:6001::1 4.334 ms 4.429 ms 4.725 ms
> 4 2001:628:1100:1::1 4.636 ms 4.625 ms 5.173 ms
> 5 2001:718:0:c000::1 7.967 ms 8.041 ms 9.148 ms
> 6 2001:7f8:14::3:1 10.953 ms 10.795 ms 11.658 ms
> 7 2001:7f8:14::3:1 11.616 ms 12.361 ms 12.317 ms
> 8 2001:668:0:2::1:2821 191.699 ms 190.760 ms 190.535 ms
> 9 2001:668:0:3::8000:582 175.469 ms 175.897 ms 176.201 ms
> 10 2001:1978:2:5::2e 178.460 ms 179.413 ms 179.309 ms
> 11 2001:1978:2:5::25 179.778 ms 179.329 ms 179.304 ms
> 12 2001:1978:2:5::56 179.854 ms 179.739 ms 179.910 ms
> 13 2001:1978:1100:8::11 183.645 ms 183.341 ms 182.649 ms
>
>
FWIW everything looks OK too, from Amazon EC2 using HE:

# traceroute6 -AI www.internethalloffame.org
traceroute to www.internethalloffame.org (2001:1978:1100:8::11), 30 hops
max, 80 byte packets
1 geekzilla201-3.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net (2001:470:1f06:1183::1)
[AS6939] 11.678 ms 15.243 ms 18.523 ms
2 gige-g3-8.core1.nyc4.he.net (2001:470:0:5d::1) [AS6939] 25.543 ms
25.535 ms 25.527 ms
3 2001:470:0:23f::2 (2001:470:0:23f::2) [AS6939] 32.819 ms 32.809 ms
32.802 ms
4 2001:504:1a::34:159 (2001:504:1a::34:159) [AS11670] 37.468 ms 37.463
ms 37.680 ms
5 2001:1978:2:5::2 (2001:1978:2:5::2) [AS13768] 95.289 ms 81.477 ms
81.473 ms
6 2001:1978:2:5::52 (2001:1978:2:5::52) [AS13768] 81.460 ms 81.251 ms
81.361 ms
7 2001:1978:1100:8::11 (2001:1978:1100:8::11) [AS13768] 80.788 ms
81.212 ms 81.190 ms

> j.
> --
> j.hofmüller http://users.mur.at/thesix/
>

--

- Así que este es el futuro del hombre: calentarse a los rayos del sol,
bañarse en las claras corrientes de agua, y comer los frutos de la tierra
olvidando todo trabajo y fatiga.

- Bueno, y por qué no?

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thomas at cis

May 20, 2012, 4:22 AM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

The server of www.internethalloffame.org

is still listed on the table "IPv6 BGP odd routes" by HE.

http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes1.html
http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes2.html

Therefore some ISP have no route to it.

Regards,
Thomas Schäfer

me at dan

May 20, 2012, 4:28 AM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

Hi,

On 20/05/2012 12:22, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
> The server of www.internethalloffame.org
>
> is still listed on the table "IPv6 BGP odd routes" by HE.
>
> http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes1.html
> http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes2.html
>
> Therefore some ISP have no route to it.

The list includes all RIPE assigned PI space (including my own...
2001:67c:26b4::/48 ) - but I have 100% reachability to my subnet
according to the GRH tools at sixxs so i'd expect almost perfect
reachability globally too.

Thanks,

Dan.

marc.blanchet at viagenie

May 21, 2012, 7:07 AM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

Le 2012-05-20 à 07:22, Thomas Schäfer a écrit :

> The server of www.internethalloffame.org
>
> is still listed on the table "IPv6 BGP odd routes" by HE.
>
> http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes1.html
> http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes2.html

this list is broken. I would suggest not using it or having any conclusion out of it.

Marc.

>
> Therefore some ISP have no route to it.
>
> Regards,
> Thomas Schäfer

berni at birkenwald

May 22, 2012, 7:19 AM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

Am 20.05.2012 13:22, schrieb Thomas Schäfer:
> The server of www.internethalloffame.org
>
> is still listed on the table "IPv6 BGP odd routes" by HE.
>
> http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes1.html
> http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes2.html
>
> Therefore some ISP have no route to it.

Although this page is mostly wrong (bgpview has not been updated for
hundreds of years, so it lists all PI space and allocations outside
2001::/16 as bogus) it does have a valid point in this case. The problem
with www.internethalloffame.org is that Peer1 insists on announcing
their 2001:1978::/32 in a metric ton of /40s, but without the covering
aggregate.

* 2001:1978:202::/48
* 2001:1978:801::/48
* 2001:1978:1000::/40
* 2001:1978:1100::/40
* 2001:1978:1200::/40
* 2001:1978:1300::/40
* 2001:1978:1400::/40
* 2001:1978:1500::/40
* 2001:1978:1600::/40
* 2001:1978:1700::/40
* 2001:1978:1800::/40
* 2001:1978:1900::/40
* 2001:1978:1a00::/40
* 2001:1978:1b00::/40
* 2001:1978:1c00::/40
* 2001:1978:1d00::/40
* 2001:1978:1e00::/40
* 2001:1978:1f00::/40
* 2001:1978:2000::/40
* 2001:1978:2300::/40

If only there were someone to stop this. I tried contacting them twice
but no response (or change) so far.

Best Regards,
Bernhard

mleber at he

May 22, 2012, 8:16 PM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

Fixed. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

The previous version was essentially the CSELT script from the 6bone
days. We've updated it to the modern era. ;)

Now it should properly report unaggregated prefixes and invalid prefixes
(the single invalid prefix currently seen is a known research project).

Mike.

On 5/21/12 7:07 AM, Marc Blanchet wrote:
> Le 2012-05-20 à 07:22, Thomas Schäfer a écrit :
>
>> The server of www.internethalloffame.org
>>
>> is still listed on the table "IPv6 BGP odd routes" by HE.
>>
>> http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes1.html
>> http://ipv6.he.net/bgpview/odd-routes2.html
>
> this list is broken. I would suggest not using it or having any conclusion out of it.
>
> Marc.
>
>> Therefore some ISP have no route to it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Thomas Schäfer

roger at jorgensen

May 22, 2012, 10:41 PM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

> Fixed. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
>
> The previous version was essentially the CSELT script from the 6bone
> days. We've updated it to the modern era. ;)

can you share it with the rest of us? :-)

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mleber at he

May 22, 2012, 11:47 PM

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Re: www.internethalloffame.org fame or shame? [In reply to]

I'll get a patch file made and send it to anybody that wants it.

Mike.

On 5/22/12 10:41 PM, "Roger Jørgensen" wrote:
>> Fixed. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
>>
>> The previous version was essentially the CSELT script from the 6bone
>> days. We've updated it to the modern era. ;)
> can you share it with the rest of us? :-)
>
>
>

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