Mailing List Archive by Gossamer Threads http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/ en-us (c) Gossamer Threads Inc. All rights reserved. 12 Feb 2012 11:48:36 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg I was wondering what everyone's workarounds were to achieve binding a VLL to a LSP, essentially the equivalent of: vpls-peer <ip-address> lsp <lsp1 09 Feb 2012 05:08:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/33361 Hi, We have a few Foundry Routers and Switches which will be audited soon. In the past I have used Nipper when it was free to assess Cisco network eq 08 Feb 2012 08:46:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/33347 Greetings, This may be a trivial situation, but I am having a little bit of an issue with redundant connections for a client. Here is the setup: = ro 07 Feb 2012 09:49:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/33321 Hello colleagues, since Mozilla started to release Firefox 10 on January 31st we are seeing some issues with SSL terminated websites on SI Platform 06 Feb 2012 01:03:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/33310 Hello colleagues, I have a BI4000 (J-BxGMR4) running on 08.0.01w that sometimes loses a few lines of the running-config. This usually happens whe 03 Feb 2012 13:33:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/33282 All; I have a ServerIron 4G SSL with Version 10.2.01oTI4 on it. Other than very infrequently dropping the ability to ssh to it it's been extremely r 31 Jan 2012 12:02:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/33258 There is an GIEI (Global I2C Error Indicator) flag that is set when there is an I2C failure. Is that accessible via SNMP, and if so, what is the OID? 25 Jan 2012 12:42:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/33170 If I do a 'show server' on our ADX 1008 it shows a very interesting statistic near the bottom which is: last conn rate = xxxx I have bee 20 Jan 2012 05:23:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/33091 Hi Is any SNMP OID in TurboIron (SW 4.2 or 7.3 - doesn't matter) to monitor status of power supply ? We had problem with one power supply (lost power 16 Jan 2012 14:01:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32997 Hi I just configurint Police+Shape for customer at FESX624 Gigabit port for 150Mbps: #sh run int e6 interface ethernet 6 load-interval 30 rate-limi 28 Dec 2011 01:19:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32753 Hi, I'm setting up a intallation with 2 MLX-e chassis with XMR4000 modules where I'm configuring multiple GRE tunnels to different endpoints, where T 21 Dec 2011 05:22:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32662 Hi I'm using FlexLink functionality on one project where we currently have Cisco switches. We would like to migrate to Brocade (probably FastIron CX) 20 Dec 2011 13:38:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32652 hi! can somebody kindly answer the following questions regarding a legacy foundry fastiron edge switch (not x series), e.g. the fes4802? 1. how man 17 Dec 2011 04:37:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32637 Hello, I am currently seeing a lot of those messages on a MLX: WARN: Current Total Free Memory (22589440) on LP 1 is below 5 percent of Installed Me 14 Dec 2011 03:32:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32584 Dear All I know Cisco has their OER / pfR routing technology which can route traffic automatically based on a number of matrix's to balance traffic a 03 Dec 2011 23:57:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32531 Hi guys, looking at list's files I've found this: http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/foundry-nsp/2009-February/001809.html It's a very similar case, 26 Nov 2011 05:34:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32469 We recently acquired some second-user Serveriron 400s (Dual WSM-4, 2*B8GC) to replace our trusty old Serveriron XLs but since then we've been having s 26 Nov 2011 04:49:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32468 Hi What CPU are at MLX/MLX management modules (MR and new MR2) ? I would like to compare CPU speeds to CER which I currently using. CER: 800 MHz Powe 11 Nov 2011 05:16:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32304 Hi, I was wondering if there is a Brocade router which can do dhcpv6 prefix delegation snooping to insert the prefix in the routing table or provide d 09 Nov 2011 06:57:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32297 Howdy, While troubleshooting another problem I noticed that the crc/input error counter on one of our Turboiron 24s increments a few every couple of 01 Nov 2011 14:11:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32226 I am having my hands full with stability issues and trying to drive all our traffic through our firewalls at our data center. Add to that the fact 20 Oct 2011 17:50:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32117 Hi everyone, Was just referred to this list, hopefully somebody can help me with a very stubborn problem here.. I have been fighting for a few 19 Oct 2011 01:20:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/32045 Hello mans. I have a lot prefomance problem with older BigIron 1500. config: #show ver SW: Version 08.0.01wT53 Copyright (c) 1996-2004 Foundry Ne 17 Oct 2011 06:05:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31999 Hi I just noticed that Brocade released IronWare 7.3 for TurboIron. But looking at Configuration Guide I see that eg. "Multi-range VLAN" is not suppor 15 Oct 2011 05:25:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31980 On Tue, 4 Oct 2011, I wrote: > A few months ago there was mention that IPv6 routing would be supported > on the FCX "with the next major software re 14 Oct 2011 04:30:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31971 Hello All, I'm looking for opinions and experiences that people have had with heavy-rate Multicast traffic with the XMR and/or MLXe platforms in an e 12 Oct 2011 07:44:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31927 I have a customer who's GigE link utilization hovers around 700-750 meg. This is during peak hours. However, they are seeing pixelization on their I 10 Oct 2011 08:56:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31892 Hi I have problem with adding new 1Gb link to existing 3x1Gb LAG (trunk). Switch don't want to accept below command: BR-telnet@sw03(config)#trunk et 10 Oct 2011 00:53:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31881 Hi All, Does Brocade/Foundry has best practices/recommendations regarding deploying UC/VoIP? I knew Cisco or Avaya has some design guides for deployi 09 Oct 2011 10:20:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31880 I need to set up ports with 400+ vlans. Is there some way to set this without manually defining every vlan one at a time? vlan 200 by port tagged e 06 Oct 2011 07:16:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31848 I am trying to get more then 2 million BGP entries on a standard MLX. The brocade datasheets are unclear about the BGP capabilities of the MLX series 04 Oct 2011 13:37:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31832 Hi, A few months ago there was mention that IPv6 routing would be supported on the FCX "with the next major software release": http://puck.nether 04 Oct 2011 04:19:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31825 Hello Experts: I am Responding an RFP for the CER an CES competing against Cisco 3800/3600 And I am not sure if we have some specific features * 27 Sep 2011 20:43:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31787 Eeesh, meant for this to go to the list I just looked today and the 5.2 section of the kp only has manuals, no code, for MLX/XMR On Mon, 2011-09- 26 Sep 2011 11:02:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31761 Has anyone had any luck deploying an ADX in front of an application that is frequently attacked with SYN Floods? What was your experience with this? 26 Sep 2011 07:26:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31756 Hi I noticed that currently NI 5.2 software is only available for XMR/MLX/MLXe, but not CER/CES. When It will be available for CER/CES anybody knows ? 26 Sep 2011 03:17:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31754 Hello Experts, I'm studying data center products of different vendors and i see Cisco is marketing Nexus family switches as the best switches can sup 24 Sep 2011 06:41:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31747 Hello Experts, I'm studying data center products of different vendors and i see Cisco is marketing Nexus family switches as the best switches can sup 24 Sep 2011 06:34:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31746 We did the connection test between cisco switch and linux server for "802.3ad bonding" mode. And we confirmed the following cisco's configuration wor 22 Sep 2011 19:51:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31729 I'm not following you when you say "implicit deny". If you remove the actual line where you apply the ACL to an interface, it will permit all traffic 12 Sep 2011 09:02:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31538 Hello, Currenty we have a XMR4K. From our wholesale supplier we get an S-VLAN for each customer. The customer can send both tagged and untagged traff 12 Sep 2011 08:58:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31541 Looks like my FESX doesn't support ACL sequencing (like a stone-age Cisco) so I'm open for ideas on how to accomplish basic adds to a deny list and mo 12 Sep 2011 08:42:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31536 Hello,   I have a couple of these units available.  Would anyone have interest in purchasing them?  If so, please let me know.   Thanks, Matt 02 Sep 2011 06:34:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31421 Hello! We experience ospf and interface flaps on ServerIron ADX 1216 software version is 12.3.01 Is it hardware or software problem? Sep 2 05:5 02 Sep 2011 00:50:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31413 01 Sep 2011 12:30:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31402 Hi, Is there a way to configure multiple OSPF instances with Borcade NetIron CER RT. If not, how can we solve such a problem (in cisco config): rout 22 Aug 2011 01:22:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31228 Hi everyone-- Just grabbed a show tech-support from an RX-32 running 2.7.2e, and I've got the following alarm, which doesn't replicate itself in the 18 Aug 2011 09:26:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31181 Hi all, Maybe I'm totally missing something, but is there any way to set the source interface for slow export (like to the loopback) of the XMR platf 15 Aug 2011 12:47:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31147 Hi everyone, I seem to be having problems with IPV6 on a Bigiron RX4 causing out of nexthop entries. Situation: * We have a transit provider deliver 13 Aug 2011 06:52:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/31130 In Brocade switching products, specifically the TurboIron is there a way to set it up so that if one port goes down it also shuts down another port.. 05 Aug 2011 12:39:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30968 Hi All, Is anyone familiar with card enough to know that it will only work in certain MLX chassis's? I have one of these in an MLX-4 chassis and it 03 Aug 2011 15:51:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30960 Hi there, Today I was trying create a VPLS between some CES2000's holding more than one vlan so that I could transport two vlan's from the same custo 02 Aug 2011 11:10:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30930 All, We recently upgraded all of our XMR 4000 nodes with high-capacity switch fabric modules. We are now ready to give the old, generation 1 switch f 01 Aug 2011 09:33:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30924 Hi! I'm currently looking for a firmware for Foundry MG8 switch. Current version is very old. telnet@MG8#sh version HW: BigIron MG8 Router BIMG8-SFM 29 Jul 2011 04:19:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30901 Dear List, I'm just like to know which tools do you use to monitor your cfm/oam 802.1.ag enviroment. Does anyone use smokeping ? Regards Erich __ 29 Jul 2011 01:23:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30900 Any experiences to share (on or off list gladly accepted). George 28 Jul 2011 12:31:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30892 Hi, I need to connect a TurboIron 24x to a WDM system across a 15Km dark fiber span over 10G. Unfortunately, the WDM system has 1550nm optics and th 19 Jul 2011 14:43:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30745 Hi All, We know that when binding the real server to a virtual, a layer 4 or layer 7 health check enabled atomically. for well known ports will use 17 Jul 2011 20:34:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30731 I have a ServerIron 4G doing NATing and load balancing. It's a pretty typical configuration, I think. The WAN port for the router is configured lik 14 Jul 2011 13:51:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30710 Hey Everybody, Having some issues with a BI4XG module, I am getting FAP errors on port 3 and the its shuts down after 1-2 seconds under 40% load, the 12 Jul 2011 13:54:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30684 So, looks like Terabit Systems have been address-harvesting on foundry-nsp and spammed a bunch of people on the mailing list over the last couple of d 11 Jul 2011 05:47:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30652 Hello, There is a configuration parameter that let specify the broadcast rate : broadcast limit XXX (where XXX is in packets per second) I want to 30 Jun 2011 08:46:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30571 Just trying to see if I can maximize, here. Can't seem to find any info on whether an XFP-ZR will work with SuperX hardware. Any help is, as alway 28 Jun 2011 15:49:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30553 Hi Frank, It seems on a XMR the CPU/MEM oids are returned (oh well only at 100) empty valued as you can see below: 06/23/2011 08:12:38 AM - SPINE: P 22 Jun 2011 23:22:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30464 LinkedIn ------------ Fahad Ali Khan requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Kurt, I 21 Jun 2011 20:47:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30433 Hi all, Small question regarding the modules interchangeability between MLX-XMR? Can a NI-MLX-1Gx20-SFP 20-port 1GbE-100FX Module be used in a 21 Jun 2011 01:52:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30393 Hi, I need some examples about implementing GVRP/GARP with MRP ring. All ring nodes are FWS and there is more than one ring. Some FWSs are connected 20 Jun 2011 10:13:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30365 Does anyone have a suggestion on 23-to-19 inch rack adaptors that work particularly well with the MLX/XMR series of gear? The only ones I have experie 17 Jun 2011 07:57:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30320 Greetings Foundry friends! I was wondering if anyone had experience using Cisco Xenpak devices with a B10GX2 line card. In the past, Foundry devices 14 Jun 2011 10:50:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30280 Hello,   I have one of these units to get rid of.  Please let me know if you're in need.   Thanks, Matt 07 Jun 2011 19:36:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30061 Hello, Looking for a way to build multiple ISIS NETs on an MLX -- is this possible? On a Cisco, you can separate ISIS into multiple processes and id 07 Jun 2011 09:51:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/30050 Hi I would like to disable 1 GE port which is assigned to trunk group (LAG currently consist 4 GE ports) but software reject entering into interface 06 Jun 2011 02:45:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29974 Guys, We have had many issues with these cards, swapping several times entire inventory of our cards. Are any carriers out there having reliability 04 Jun 2011 17:00:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29959 We have the TI-24X-AC, and assumed it would ship with L2/L3 firmware, but it only has L2 version on it. Does anyone know how we procure the L3 versi 03 Jun 2011 18:03:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29951 Looking at the Brocade website I'm guessing there isn't any support for the GT-C series? They are pushing towards the ADX platform for IPv6 support? 01 Jun 2011 12:24:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29863 Hi, We are running multiple SX1600 switches in our access layer and have several Cisco IP phones and desktops connected to dual-mode ports. The devic 25 May 2011 11:56:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29708 Dear list, I would like to request an insight from some professionals. I am administering two independent networks, each running an own AS and each 20 May 2011 11:57:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29657 Hello everyone, I am hoping that someone on the list might be able to help me with some issues that I am having getting a GRE tunnel set up in a BigI 19 May 2011 13:26:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29635 all, Does anyone have a template for the RX series routers like the one that was posted for the netiron series that keeps track of individual line car 18 May 2011 18:21:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29595 On a FastIron Super-X, I get this message on the console from time to time: Debug: May 17 14:44:11 IGMP: Warning! V3 mbr, bad G-rec1, #grp=1, G=224 17 May 2011 07:24:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29558 Here's a new archive that includes CPU and MEM, as well as the xml files for polling. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk 16 May 2011 06:13:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29545 Hi all, I have a question: Can we use the same AS number for two different locations but not IGP routable? The goal is for DR purpose so that the tw 15 May 2011 08:33:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29527 When I mentioned to our Brocade reseller that our MLXe was taking 90 to 120 seconds to boot he found that a little long. So he checked into it - with 12 May 2011 12:05:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29505 Hi all-- I've got a BI-RX-4 running the latest code, 2.703a, with an RX-BI24C on it, and when I rconsole onto the blade to look at the cam partition 12 May 2011 11:36:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29504 Attached are some templates I created and then exported from Cacti that draw on Brocade's private MIB that expose the MLXe's IPv4 and IPv6 counters on 11 May 2011 19:27:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29471 Attached are some templates I created and then exported from Cacti that draw on Brocade's private MIB that expose the MLXe's IPv4 and IPv6 counters on 11 May 2011 19:27:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29472 I enhanced an existing NAGIOS check_snmp_environment plugin to check power supply, fan, and temperature of the Brocade MLXe. It may work for the MLX 09 May 2011 22:57:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29447 Hi I noticed on newsroom.brocade.com that new NetIron 5.2 software has been released: "Brocade also introduced the Brocade NetIron 5.2 software relea 08 May 2011 05:03:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29398 My google-fu came up pretty empty-handed. Does anyone have some templates for the Brocade MLXe-4 (or equivalent) that shows: - temperature for each s 06 May 2011 18:59:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29374 Does anyone know what the latest code version for the RX-MR2 is? _______________________________________________ foundry-nsp mailing list foundry-nsp@ 04 May 2011 13:06:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29297 Hello mates. Who know how many OSPF neightnor support module Fondry J-BXGMR4? -- Andrew E. _______________________________________________ foundry- 29 Apr 2011 10:14:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29211 Serveriron 4G, firmware 10.2.01oTI4 I'm encountering a very strange behavior when trying to allow snmp queries between interfaces. The first query m 27 Apr 2011 08:03:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29145 Has anyone seen any bake offs, or side by side comparisons between the MLXe-4, ASR1006 or the MX80? I am trying to pick a router for a small regional 26 Apr 2011 05:23:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29110 Hi everybody-- I've got an RX-4 chassis giving me an odd error: Apr 25 23:14:47:I:System: bad i2c access (GIEI = set), Severity Minor, Mux 0x70, 25 Apr 2011 15:39:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29105 I have an MLX with uplinks to 2 transit providers and I have seen the route table fluctuate between 360k and 399k routes. Besides the obvious, any id 25 Apr 2011 07:37:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29099 Fesx6xx has support as well. Adam On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:00 AM, foundry-nsp-request@puck.nether.net wrote: > Send foundry-nsp mailing list submi 23 Apr 2011 10:13:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29079 So I was looking at an application coming up, this just can't be real. I am looking at the release notes for the latest code for FCX and is this rig 22 Apr 2011 13:58:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29077 I'm having a problem with ICMP traffic going from the inside to the outside interface on am si450 with 11.0.00f "traceroute -I www.google.com" from o 19 Apr 2011 15:43:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/29008 hi, i would like to enforce a 100mbit (as sharp as possible) bandwidth limit on a fesx 424 running firmware 04.2.00cT3e3. (upgrading the firmware is 19 Apr 2011 03:12:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/28992 Hi, How can you make a serveriron XL send requests to a different server only if the primary server(s) fail healthchecks? I tried setting the se 18 Apr 2011 17:19:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/foundry/28979