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klises at caminomedical

Feb 7, 2009, 11:16 AM

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Avamar VS SMVI

We are starting an eval of SMVI and Avamar for backup/recovery of VM's. We
are planning on having snapmirrors to another filer for backup (NDMP) and or
DR purposes, but are doing the sm to a local filer for now.
Avamar has some good selling point, but it seems to be a waste to buy yet
another storage platform. We are heavily invested in netapp now with a VTL
(1400), and NetBackup.

Does anyone have any feed back? It seems to make sense to to SMVI but with
Avamar I get longer retention. I was only going to keep a weeks worth of
SMVI snapshots. With Avamar, it seem indefinite. The downside of the
avamar is you seem to need two for going to tape.

Avamar can do the single file restores, which SMVI 2.0 is supposed to do.

Anyhow, any feedback is appreciated.

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hollandwl at gmail

Feb 8, 2009, 3:59 AM

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Re: Avamar VS SMVI [In reply to]

Have you looked at Snapvault from NetApp?
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From: steve klise
To: toasters [at] mathworks
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 2:16 PM
Subject: Avamar VS SMVI

We are starting an eval of SMVI and Avamar for backup/recovery of VM's. We are planning on having snapmirrors to another filer for backup (NDMP) and or DR purposes, but are doing the sm to a local filer for now. Avamar has some good selling point, but it seems to be a waste to buy yet another storage platform. We are heavily invested in netapp now with a VTL (1400), and NetBackup. Does anyone have any feed back? It seems to make sense to to SMVI but with Avamar I get longer retention. I was only going to keep a weeks worth of SMVI snapshots. With Avamar, it seem indefinite. The downside of the avamar is you seem to need two for going to tape. Avamar can do the single file restores, which SMVI 2.0 is supposed to do. Anyhow, any feedback is appreciated.

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steve.pitts at gmail

Feb 8, 2009, 4:55 AM

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Re: Avamar VS SMVI [In reply to]

There was a thread here on Toasters a couple of weeks ago (or so) about
SMVI. I checked and I have already deleted it. Check your email you may
still have it. We will be testing it in our lab next month.

But it sounds like SMVI meets your basic requirements: you already own
NetApp so you only need to buy SMVI, you are only backing up the virtual
environment for one week, so why bring in EMC unless you already own it or
you have bigger plans for it other than just backing up your virtual
environment.

One thing we are looking at to enhance our virtual environment in addition
to SMVI is adding a Performance Acceleration Module (PAM) to increase the
read-only cache.

Steve

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Bill Holland <hollandwl [at] gmail> wrote:

> Have you looked at Snapvault from NetApp?
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> *From:* steve klise <klises [at] caminomedical>
> *To:* toasters [at] mathworks
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 07, 2009 2:16 PM
> *Subject:* Avamar VS SMVI
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> We are starting an eval of SMVI and Avamar for backup/recovery of VM's. We
> are planning on having snapmirrors to another filer for backup (NDMP) and or
> DR purposes, but are doing the sm to a local filer for now. Avamar has some
> good selling point, but it seems to be a waste to buy yet another storage
> platform. We are heavily invested in netapp now with a VTL (1400), and
> NetBackup. Does anyone have any feed back? It seems to make sense to to SMVI
> but with Avamar I get longer retention. I was only going to keep a weeks
> worth of SMVI snapshots. With Avamar, it seem indefinite. The downside of
> the avamar is you seem to need two for going to tape. Avamar can do the
> single file restores, which SMVI 2.0 is supposed to do. Anyhow, any feedback
> is appreciated.
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hollandwl at gmail

Feb 9, 2009, 10:50 AM

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Re: RE: Avamar VS SMVI [In reply to]

Snapvault is not EOL. The next version of SMVI will be including snapvault
support. In the interim, Matt Robinson of NetApp has written SV SMVI
(Snapvault for Snapmanager for Virtual Infrastructure). I've tried it in
our development lab and it seems to work really well. Take a look at it at
http://communities.netapp.com/docs/DOC-1868;jsessionid=A4775C7EF68BD0E628BE54033CB9D59B

The S550 is being discontinued and therefore snapvault primary for it is
EOL. However, snapvault for the FAS series is not EOL.

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Geert.Vanteylingen at netapp

Feb 10, 2009, 6:19 AM

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RE: RE: Avamar VS SMVI [In reply to]

You may have been confusing this with the Symantec Netbackup SnapVault
(SnapVault for Netbackup) integrated version. That product is EOL, but
SnapVault itself (FAS->FAS and OSSV->FAS) most definitely not!

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From: hollandwl [at] gmail [mailto:hollandwl [at] gmail]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 19:50
To: Klise; Steve; toasters [at] mathworks
Subject: Re: RE: Avamar VS SMVI

Snapvault is not EOL. The next version of SMVI will be including
snapvault support. In the interim, Matt Robinson of NetApp has written
SV SMVI (Snapvault for Snapmanager for Virtual Infrastructure). I've
tried it in our development lab and it seems to work really well. Take a
look at it at
http://communities.netapp.com/docs/DOC-1868;jsessionid=A4775C7EF68BD0E62
8BE54033CB9D59B

The S550 is being discontinued and therefore snapvault primary for it is
EOL. However, snapvault for the FAS series is not EOL.

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> We are planning on having snapmirrors to another filer for backup
(NDMP) and or
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> DR purposes, but are doing the sm to a local filer for now. Avamar has
some
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> good selling point, but it seems to be a waste to buy yet another
storage
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> platform. We are heavily invested in netapp now with a VTL (1400), and

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> NetBackup. Does anyone have any feed back? It seems to make sense to
to SMVI
>
> but with Avamar I get longer retention. I was only going to keep a
weeks worth
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> of SMVI snapshots. With Avamar, it seem indefinite. The downside of
the avamar
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> is you seem to need two for going to tape. Avamar can do the single
file
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> restores, which SMVI 2.0 is supposed to do. Anyhow, any feedback is
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