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Dec 9, 2011, 5:21 AM
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No Mac support? Disappointed.
-Blake
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On Dec 9, 2011, at 4:14 AM, "Knight, David" <dknight [at] albany> wrote:
> You are correct, I was thinking of the previous windows only release.
> I can find a Linux box easily enough.
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
>
>> David -
>>
>> System Manager 2.0 runs in a browser running on Linux or Windows. You
>> might be thinking of System Manager 1.x that was MMC based and needed to
>> run under Windows.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> - Rick -
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Knight, David [mailto:dknight [at] albany]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 16:34
>>> To: Ehrhart, Rick
>>> Cc: Knight, David; steve klise; <andrey.borzenkov [at] ts>;
>>> <jeff.cleverley [at] avagotech>; Parisi, Justin;
>> <toasters [at] teaparty>
>>> Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread carefully. But obviously I will
>>> have to figure
>>> out what is going on in this area before I consider upgrading ONTAP.
>>>
>>> It is unfortunate the support for the web/java administration might be
>>> going away.
>>> To be fair, it seems to have been slowly degrading over the years -
>>> perhaps
>>> it is just too hard to maintain.
>>>
>>> I guess there are two (or more) types of users for netapp products.
>>> One needs the absolute highest level of performance, and has staff
>>> dedicated to achieving it. Likely they mostly use CLI.
>>> The other is just looking for high performance storage that is
>>> easy to administer. Likely these users do not have dedicated staff,
>>> and use mostly GUI and CLI only when required.
>>>
>>> I fall in the latter group. And for better or worse, do not have a
>>> windows
>>> box on my desk. Going forward am I going to have to set up a windows
>>> virtual machine just to have easy admin of our netapp boxes?
>>>
>>> I like and value the "toasters" aspect of these boxes. A toaster is a
>>> nice
>>> and easy to use appliance. Is netapp perhaps diverging from the
>>> easy to use appliance model?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is no way to add FilerView back into 8.1. The JVM was not
>>> included in ONTAP 8.1.
>>>>
>>>> For 7-mode, System Manager 2.0 is the only tool available. In
>>> Cluster-mode, you can do an http://<cluster management LIF> and get to
>>> an GUI implementation of the CLI. This is the same as the advanced
>> tab
>>> in System Manager.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> - Rick -
>>>>
>>>> From: steve klise [mailto:sklise [at] hotmail]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 13:59
>>>> To: andrey.borzenkov [at] ts; jeff.cleverley [at] avagotech;
>>> Parisi, Justin
>>>> Cc: toasters [at] teaparty
>>>> Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
>>>>
>>>> I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY
>>> know who the filerview users are..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
>>>>
>>>>> From: andrey.borzenkov [at] ts
>>>>> To: jeff.cleverley [at] avagotech; Justin.Parisi [at] netapp
>>>>> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100
>>>>> Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
>>>>> CC: toasters [at] teaparty
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up
>>>
>> here:https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/st
>>> orage_management_software/oncommand_system_manager, or directly in
>> this
>>> thread:https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you
>>> start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to
>>> connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to
>> do
>>> it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are
>>> really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail
>>> alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> With best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrey Borzenkov
>>>>> Senior system engineer
>>>>> Service operations
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley [at] avagotech]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM
>>>>> To: Parisi, Justin
>>>>> Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters [at] teaparty
>>>>> Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop
>>> and
>>>>> my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits
>> on
>>>>> every single system we would want to be able to configure the
>> filer
>>>>> from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method
>> everyone
>>>>> of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if
>>> they
>>>>> want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access
>>>>> from home.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac
>> boxes
>>>>> from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up
>>>>> having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run
>>> rdesktop
>>>>> or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared
>>> to
>>>>> just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running
>> FV.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin
>>> <Justin.Parisi [at] netapp> wrote:
>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create
>>> volumes, shares, etc with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-
>>> bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manager&platform=Windows
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: toasters-bounces [at] teaparty [mailto:toasters-
>>> bounces [at] teaparty] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM
>>>>>> To: Borzenkov, Andrey
>>>>>> Cc: toasters [at] teaparty
>>>>>> Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set
>>> up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated
>> hardware,
>>> on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow
>>> connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in.
>>>>>> Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to
>> FV.
>>> I would rather have FV as an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey
>>> <andrey.borzenkov [at] ts> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a
>>> central management server with RBAC?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> With best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrey Borzenkov
>>>>>>> Senior system engineer
>>>>>>> Service operations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: toasters-bounces [at] teaparty
>>>>>>> [mailto:toasters-bounces [at] teaparty] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>> Cleverley
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM
>>>>>>> To: toasters [at] teaparty
>>>>>>> Subject: System Manager for 8.1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away
>>> with
>>>>>>> 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2
>>> questions
>>>>>>> about this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as
>>> copying
>>>>>>> over files or directories from an 8.x system?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that
>>> everyone
>>>>>>> could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a
>>>>>>> server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box
>> and
>>> a
>>>>>>> different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all
>>> of the
>>>>>>> filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a
>> pain
>>> for
>>>>>>> our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and
>>> desktops
>>>>>>> in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems
>> a
>>> waste
>>>>>>> to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all
>>> the
>>>>>>> needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create
>>>>>>> aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or
>>> other
>>>>>>> advanced tools right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jeff Cleverley
>>>>>>> Unix Systems Administrator
>>>>>>> 4380 Ziegler Road
>>>>>>> Fort Collins, Colorado 80525
>>>>>>> 970-288-4611
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeff Cleverley
>>>>>> Unix Systems Administrator
>>>>>> 4380 Ziegler Road
>>>>>> Fort Collins, Colorado 80525
>>>>>> 970-288-4611
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeff Cleverley
>>>>> Unix Systems Administrator
>>>>> 4380 Ziegler Road
>>>>> Fort Collins, Colorado 80525
>>>>> 970-288-4611
>>>>>
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>>> David Knight
>>> Dept. of Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Tel: (518)-442-4204
>>> University at Albany, ES-228 Fax: (518)-442-4494
>>> Albany, NY 12222 Email:
>>> dknight [at] albany
>>>
>>
>>
>
> David Knight
> Dept. of Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Tel: (518)-442-4204
> University at Albany, ES-228 Fax: (518)-442-4494
> Albany, NY 12222 Email: dknight [at] albany
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