johnpc at xs4all
Jun 2, 2011, 8:25 AM
On 2011 Jun 2, at 16:45 , Steiner, Jeffrey wrote:
> It may appear to work at first, but you'll have a panic and crash eventually. It might last a week or two, but you'll eventually have problems.
I accidentally removed a shelf full of unowned disks once from a production machine, and that worked without a (technical) problem. It is however unsupported by netapp, so I got mildly grilled by my coworkers for putting a production filer in danger.
In this case, the shelf I removed was the only one on that loop. That might make things slightly "better", but I don't know for sure.
You definitely want to unown the disks first, regardless of whether you power down or not.
Note that takeover isn't going to help. At least not in the normal takeover situation. Both partners see the same disks, so the one that's still up still sees a shelf disappearing.
Powering down seems to me like your only (supported) option.
> If you move quick and you have your FC/NFS timeouts set right, you can shut down, decable the shelves, and turn it back on before hosts will notice. I've done that myself more than a few times.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blake Golliher [mailto:thelastman [at] gmail]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:07 PM
>> To: Steve Losen
>> Cc: toasters [at] mathworks
>> Subject: Re: Hot remove disk shelves?
>> I've seen people do this without problems, but I've not had to do it
>> yet myself. Having the disks unassigned is a good idea since you'll
>> want them unowned when you add them to other heads. If you can afford
>> to do it while in takeover mode that probably couldn't hurt.
>> Let us know how it goes. I'm under the impression this works, but is
>> unsupported from netapp eng still.
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Steve Losen <scl [at] sasha>
>>> Hello Toasters,
>>> We have a FAS3170 HA pair with some SATA disk shelves (AT-FCX)
>>> attached to the end of a chain where none of the disks are in use
>>> (all are spares, all have ownership assigned). We are running
>>> ONTAP 8.0.1.
>>> The chain is singly attached to both controllers, i.e., the
>>> shelf "A" modules are chained to a single FC adapter on one
>>> controller and the shelf "B" modules are chained to a single
>>> FC adapter on the other controller.
>>> The shelves we want to remove are at the far end of the chain.
>>> Essentially we want to undo the result of a hot shelf add without
>>> Is it possible to hot remove these shelves? Would it help to
>>> "un-own" the disks first?
>>> I suppose this could be done using CF takeover/giveback
>>> but that might be too disruptive.
>>> Steve Losen scl [at] virginia phone: 434-924-0640
>>> University of Virginia ITC Unix Support
Jan-Pieter Cornet <johnpc [at] xs4all>
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