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phigmov at gmail

May 13, 2009, 3:13 PM

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Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?

Hi,

Anyone used SnapMirror successfully with ESX LUN's ?

I realise it will only be a crash-consistent copy and I have to enable LUN
re-signaturing for ESX to pick it up but this seems like a handy way for me
to backup a few DMZ VM's on a LUN (on a seperate secured iSCSI vlan) to
another LUN on the same SAN.

Cheers,
Raj.

jeremy.page at gilbarco

May 13, 2009, 3:28 PM

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RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ? [In reply to]

I use SnapVault and it works very well, however I'm using NFS instead of
iSCSI/FC LUNs. If you're running ESX on NetApp I highly recommend trying
it, although NFS is not cheap if that's all you use it for.

________________________________

From: owner-toasters[at]mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters[at]mathworks.com]
On Behalf Of Raj Patel
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:13 PM
To: toasters[at]mathworks.com
Subject: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?

Hi,

Anyone used SnapMirror successfully with ESX LUN's ?

I realise it will only be a crash-consistent copy and I have to enable
LUN re-signaturing for ESX to pick it up but this seems like a handy way
for me to backup a few DMZ VM's on a LUN (on a seperate secured iSCSI
vlan) to another LUN on the same SAN.

Cheers,
Raj.

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Peter.Learmonth at netapp

May 13, 2009, 4:42 PM

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RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ? [In reply to]

Hi Raj
Yes, there are many people using SnapMirror with ESX datastores, both
NFS and VMFS LUNs (both iSCSI and FCP).

As far as crash consistency, you can get consistent backup using
SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure in conjunction with VMware Tools
VSS provider (ESX 3.5 u2 or later) for those applications that are VSS
compatible. For those that aren't, or have a scriptable hot backup
mode, you can call scripts from VMware Tools. Pre and post scripts are
documented in the Virtual Machine Backup Guide
(http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vi3_35/esx_3/r35u2/vi3_35_25_u2_vm_backup.pdf
).

Here are some links for SMVI:
http://www.netapp.com/us/products/management-software/snapmanager-virtua
l.html
http://www.netapp.com/us/library/technical-reports/tr-3737.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECAgR9YftQ

Share and enjoy!

Peter
________________________________

From: Raj Patel [mailto:phigmov[at]gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:13 PM
To: toasters[at]mathworks.com
Subject: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?

Hi,

Anyone used SnapMirror successfully with ESX LUN's ?

I realise it will only be a crash-consistent copy and I have to enable
LUN re-signaturing for ESX to pick it up but this seems like a handy way
for me to backup a few DMZ VM's on a LUN (on a seperate secured iSCSI
vlan) to another LUN on the same SAN.

Cheers,
Raj.

kwillia at smud

May 14, 2009, 10:51 AM

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RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ? [In reply to]

VIBE is also an option for those who aren't ready to take the plunge to
SMVI.

VIBE is available if you have an active NOW account under downloads>tool
chest.

________________________________

From: owner-toasters[at]mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters[at]mathworks.com]
On Behalf Of Learmonth, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:42 PM
To: Raj Patel; toasters[at]mathworks.com
Subject: RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?

Hi Raj
Yes, there are many people using SnapMirror with ESX datastores, both
NFS and VMFS LUNs (both iSCSI and FCP).

As far as crash consistency, you can get consistent backup using
SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure in conjunction with VMware Tools
VSS provider (ESX 3.5 u2 or later) for those applications that are VSS
compatible. For those that aren't, or have a scriptable hot backup
mode, you can call scripts from VMware Tools. Pre and post scripts are
documented in the Virtual Machine Backup Guide
(http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vi3_35/esx_3/r35u2/vi3_35_25_u2_vm_backup.pdf
).

Here are some links for SMVI:
http://www.netapp.com/us/products/management-software/snapmanager-virtua
l.html
http://www.netapp.com/us/library/technical-reports/tr-3737.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECAgR9YftQ

Share and enjoy!

Peter
________________________________

From: Raj Patel [mailto:phigmov[at]gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:13 PM
To: toasters[at]mathworks.com
Subject: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?

Hi,

Anyone used SnapMirror successfully with ESX LUN's ?

I realise it will only be a crash-consistent copy and I have to enable
LUN re-signaturing for ESX to pick it up but this seems like a handy way
for me to backup a few DMZ VM's on a LUN (on a seperate secured iSCSI
vlan) to another LUN on the same SAN.

Cheers,
Raj.

phigmov at gmail

May 14, 2009, 3:44 PM

Post #5 of 8 (1548 views)
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Re: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ? [In reply to]

I guess one key factor is that VIBE is free(ish) and unsupported(?) from
what I've read but SMVI is a supported product at a commercial price-point.

Anyone tried the VMWare Site Recovery Manager tool ? Is there a NetApp
integration component in the works (my understanding is the product
leverages SAN vendor API's to ensure consistant intersite replication of
VM's) ?

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, oakley <oakerz[at]lycos.com> wrote:

> How difficult is VIBE to implement though? I had a brief conversation with
> my SE and with a NetApp Virtualization Architect and both highly suggested
> using Professional Services to do it. Also, and I've barely done any reading
> on it, does VIBE give you all of the same benefits that SM-VI does? If not,
> what are the primary differences? What experiences, good/bad, have you had
> with it?
>
> ---------[ Received Mail Content ]----------
>
> Subject : RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?
> Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 10:51:46 -0700
> From : Ken Williams <kwillia[at]smud.org>
> To : "Learmonth, Peter" <Peter.Learmonth[at]netapp.com>, "Raj Patel" <
> phigmov[at]gmail.com>, <toasters[at]mathworks.com>
>
> VIBE is also an option for those who aren't ready to take the plunge to
> SMVI.
> VIBE is available if you have an active NOW account under downloads>tool
> chest.
> ________________________________
>
>
>

Peter.Learmonth at netapp

May 14, 2009, 5:42 PM

Post #6 of 8 (1542 views)
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RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ? [In reply to]

SRM does not do consistent replication. In fact, it doesn't manage
backup, snapshots or replication at all. It manages failover.

Yes, there's an SRA (adapter) for SnapMirror for SRM. The adapter does
the tricks of breaking mirrors (or cloning datastores if you want to
simply test without breaking the mirror), mapping LUNs to igroups for
the DR servers, etc.

The adapter is free on the NOW downloads page. You buy SRM from VMware,
of course.

Peter

________________________________

From: Raj Patel [mailto:phigmov[at]gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:44 PM
To: oakley
Cc: Ken Williams; Learmonth, Peter; toasters[at]mathworks.com
Subject: Re: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?

I guess one key factor is that VIBE is free(ish) and unsupported(?) from
what I've read but SMVI is a supported product at a commercial
price-point.

Anyone tried the VMWare Site Recovery Manager tool ? Is there a NetApp
integration component in the works (my understanding is the product
leverages SAN vendor API's to ensure consistant intersite replication of
VM's) ?

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, oakley <oakerz[at]lycos.com> wrote:

How difficult is VIBE to implement though? I had a brief
conversation with my SE and with a NetApp Virtualization Architect and
both highly suggested using Professional Services to do it. Also, and
I've barely done any reading on it, does VIBE give you all of the same
benefits that SM-VI does? If not, what are the primary differences? What
experiences, good/bad, have you had with it?

---------[ Received Mail Content ]----------

Subject : RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 10:51:46 -0700
>From : Ken Williams <kwillia[at]smud.org>
To : "Learmonth, Peter" <Peter.Learmonth[at]netapp.com>, "Raj
Patel" <phigmov[at]gmail.com>, <toasters[at]mathworks.com>

VIBE is also an option for those who aren't ready to take the
plunge to SMVI.
VIBE is available if you have an active NOW account under
downloads>tool chest.
________________________________

jeremy.page at gilbarco

May 14, 2009, 6:44 PM

Post #7 of 8 (1544 views)
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RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ? [In reply to]

Yes, they're working with NetApp on it (and over NFS, too!), I am looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
________________________________

From: owner-toasters[at]mathworks.com on behalf of Raj Patel
Sent: Thu 5/14/2009 6:44 PM
To: oakley
Cc: Ken Williams; Learmonth, Peter; toasters[at]mathworks.com
Subject: Re: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?

I guess one key factor is that VIBE is free(ish) and unsupported(?) from what I've read but SMVI is a supported product at a commercial price-point.

Anyone tried the VMWare Site Recovery Manager tool ? Is there a NetApp integration component in the works (my understanding is the product leverages SAN vendor API's to ensure consistant intersite replication of VM's) ?

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, oakley <oakerz[at]lycos.com> wrote:

How difficult is VIBE to implement though? I had a brief conversation with my SE and with a NetApp Virtualization Architect and both highly suggested using Professional Services to do it. Also, and I've barely done any reading on it, does VIBE give you all of the same benefits that SM-VI does? If not, what are the primary differences? What experiences, good/bad, have you had with it?

---------[ Received Mail Content ]----------

Subject : RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?
Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 10:51:46 -0700
From : Ken Williams <kwillia[at]smud.org>
To : "Learmonth, Peter" <Peter.Learmonth[at]netapp.com>, "Raj Patel" <phigmov[at]gmail.com>, <toasters[at]mathworks.com>

VIBE is also an option for those who aren't ready to take the plunge to SMVI.
VIBE is available if you have an active NOW account under downloads>tool chest.
________________________________

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If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or
re-transmit this email. If you have received this email in error,
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foregoing disclaimer does not invalidate the binding effect of any
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roger.sels at uptime

May 18, 2009, 10:30 AM

Post #8 of 8 (1453 views)
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Re: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ? [In reply to]

Also please be advised that to date SRM is not supporting NFS...
Roger

On 15-mei-09, at 02:42, Learmonth, Peter wrote:

> SRM does not do consistent replication. In fact, it doesn't manage
> backup, snapshots or replication at all. It manages failover.
>
> Yes, there's an SRA (adapter) for SnapMirror for SRM. The adapter
> does the tricks of breaking mirrors (or cloning datastores if you
> want to simply test without breaking the mirror), mapping LUNs to
> igroups for the DR servers, etc.
>
> The adapter is free on the NOW downloads page. You buy SRM from
> VMware, of course.
>
> Peter
> From: Raj Patel [mailto:phigmov[at]gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:44 PM
> To: oakley
> Cc: Ken Williams; Learmonth, Peter; toasters[at]mathworks.com
> Subject: Re: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?
>
> I guess one key factor is that VIBE is free(ish) and unsupported(?)
> from what I've read but SMVI is a supported product at a commercial
> price-point.
>
> Anyone tried the VMWare Site Recovery Manager tool ? Is there a
> NetApp integration component in the works (my understanding is the
> product leverages SAN vendor API's to ensure consistant intersite
> replication of VM's) ?
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, oakley <oakerz[at]lycos.com> wrote:
> How difficult is VIBE to implement though? I had a brief
> conversation with my SE and with a NetApp Virtualization Architect
> and both highly suggested using Professional Services to do it.
> Also, and I've barely done any reading on it, does VIBE give you all
> of the same benefits that SM-VI does? If not, what are the primary
> differences? What experiences, good/bad, have you had with it?
>
> ---------[ Received Mail Content ]----------
>
> Subject : RE: Any luck with SnapMirror & ESX LUN's ?
> Date : Thu, 14 May 2009 10:51:46 -0700
> >From : Ken Williams <kwillia[at]smud.org>
> To : "Learmonth, Peter" <Peter.Learmonth[at]netapp.com>, "Raj Patel" <phigmov[at]gmail.com
> >, <toasters[at]mathworks.com>
>
> VIBE is also an option for those who aren't ready to take the plunge
> to SMVI.
> VIBE is available if you have an active NOW account under
> downloads>tool chest.
> ________________________________
>
>
>

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