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Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

Sep 4, 2007, 7:49 AM

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shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went?

http://gallery.colofinder.net/shameful-cabling had a great collection of
"What not to do" photos, but it has apparently evaporated in the mists of
time. Anybody know if it's at a new location, or is the Wayback Machine
my only hope?

(ISTR it also had an adjacent "cabling done right" gallery - does that survive?)


oleary.chad at gmail

Sep 5, 2007, 7:15 AM

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http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/03/really-bad-wiring-jobs_20.html

On 9/4/07, Valdis.Kletnieks[at]vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks[at]vt.edu> wrote:
> http://gallery.colofinder.net/shameful-cabling had a great collection of
> "What not to do" photos, but it has apparently evaporated in the mists of
> time. Anybody know if it's at a new location, or is the Wayback Machine
> my only hope?
>
> (ISTR it also had an adjacent "cabling done right" gallery - does that survive?)
>
>
>
>


--
01.20.09


wb8foz at nrk

Sep 5, 2007, 7:40 AM

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Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
>
>
> http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/03/really-bad-wiring-jobs_20.html
>

My contribution:

<http://www.tux.org/wb8foz/66-666/>

Note this was the closet at a group on the Hill that lobbies
against the evils of regulation. In 25-30 years of working
in/around wire closets, it's the worst I've seen.

There are not one but 2 fiber hubs in that mess. Not seen are
switches/hubs hanging from above on loops of duct tape.



--
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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433


llynch at civil-tongue

Sep 5, 2007, 8:20 AM

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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, David Lesher wrote:

>
> Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
>>
>>
>> http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/03/really-bad-wiring-jobs_20.html
>>
>
> My contribution:
>
> <http://www.tux.org/wb8foz/66-666/>
>
> Note this was the closet at a group on the Hill that lobbies
> against the evils of regulation. In 25-30 years of working
> in/around wire closets, it's the worst I've seen.
>
> There are not one but 2 fiber hubs in that mess. Not seen are
> switches/hubs hanging from above on loops of duct tape.

http://www.tux.org/wb8foz/66-666/a.jpg

ah, security through obscurity, a time honored strategy!

- lucy

>
>
>


bmanning at vacation

Sep 5, 2007, 11:52 PM

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> http://www.tux.org/wb8foz/66-666/a.jpg
>
> ah, security through obscurity, a time honored strategy!
>
> - lucy
>

residents are not allowed phones?

--bill


rosowskij at ie

Sep 6, 2007, 9:50 AM

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> Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
>
>> http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/03/really-bad-wiring-jobs_20.html
>>
>
> My contribution:
>
> <http://www.tux.org/wb8foz/66-666/>

When I use to work at Caesars Palace here in Las Vegas, I was witness to
some rather ugly cabling jobs. My "favorite" had to be one wiring closet
where the switch was being held to the wall with velcro. Of course that
failed over time, and at some point the switch fell and was being held up
by the cabling. Someone came along, saw the switch, and determined that
couldn't possibly be good. The beauty of this, is their solution was to
take a rope, tie one end around the middle of the switch, and then tie the
other end to a ceiling beam. I wish I had a picture.

Jeff


streiner at cluebyfour

Sep 6, 2007, 10:53 AM

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Re: shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went? [In reply to]

Note that telcos are not immune to shoddy cabling/installation work.

The link below is from a dial/T1 POP at I place I worked in several years
ago.

In case the detail is hard to make out, the paper sign taped to the ladder
says "DO NOT MOVE LADDER".

The background is that Bell Atlantic mounted a T1 smartjack cage to the
wall using undersized drywall screws. The cage eventually pulled out of
the wall and came crashing to the floor, at which point some of the T1s in
this location went down. We called Bell. They tested. They dispatched.
This was their solution.

Final note: the ladder wasn't theirs :)

http://www.cluebyfour.org/~streiner/mbr-pop-2000-ladder.JPG

jms


surfer at mauigateway

Sep 6, 2007, 11:36 AM

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--- streiner[at]cluebyfour.org wrote: -------------
From: "Justin M. Streiner" <streiner[at]cluebyfour.org>

Note that telcos are not immune to shoddy cabling/installation work.

<snip>

http://www.cluebyfour.org/~streiner/mbr-pop-2000-ladder.JPG
----------------------------------------------------


Do that at the telco in Hawaii and you won't be working here very long. ;-) The installation work and wiring here is something to swoon over.

scott


vinny at tellurian

Sep 9, 2007, 9:34 PM

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Scott Weeks wrote:
> --- streiner[at]cluebyfour.org wrote: -------------
> From: "Justin M. Streiner" <streiner[at]cluebyfour.org>
>
> Note that telcos are not immune to shoddy cabling/installation work.
>
> <snip>
>
> http://www.cluebyfour.org/~streiner/mbr-pop-2000-ladder.JPG
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Do that at the telco in Hawaii and you won't be working here very long. ;-) The installation work and wiring here is something to swoon over.

One of the stranger things a field tech of ours encountered wasn't necessarily bad wiring (although it's not great), but the fact that the demarc was located next to the toilet in the bathroom. Naturally, the constant humidity caused bad corrosion problems and other issues with their telco services. :) So as a general rule of thumb, avoid putting your telco and/or network gear next to the crapper or the services the equipment is meant to provide might also stink.

http://users.tellurian.com/vabello/bathroom-demarc.jpg

--

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Server Management
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(973)300-9211 x 125
(973)940-6125 (Direct)
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jay at west

Sep 9, 2007, 10:14 PM

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Vinny Abello wrote:

> One of the stranger things a field tech of ours encountered wasn't necessarily bad wiring (although it's not great), but the fact that the demarc was located next to the toilet in the bathroom. Naturally, the constant humidity caused bad corrosion problems and other issues with their telco services. :) So as a general rule of thumb, avoid putting your telco and/or network gear next to the crapper or the services the equipment is meant to provide might also stink.
>
> http://users.tellurian.com/vabello/bathroom-demarc.jpg

On the plus side, they didn't have to go far for a ground.

--
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Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/
Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV


doon at inoc

Sep 10, 2007, 3:13 AM

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On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:34 AM, Vinny Abello wrote:

> One of the stranger things a field tech of ours encountered wasn't
> necessarily bad wiring (although it's not great), but the fact that
> the demarc was located next to the toilet in the bathroom.
> Naturally, the constant humidity caused bad corrosion problems and
> other issues with their telco services. :) So as a general rule of
> thumb, avoid putting your telco and/or network gear next to the
> crapper or the services the equipment is meant to provide might
> also stink


I know of one ISP that had their local POP in a small rural town,
the bathroom of a local store, sitting on a shelf in rather close
proximity to the sink (Sorry don't have pictures). So Router, modem
bank and a couple T1's. The kicker was they had it all plugged into
an extension cord that ran to another part of a back room. More
than 1 time we (as the local telco) had to go out there cause they
where certain it was a problem with the Ts, When in fact someone had
either tripped over the power cord or unplugged it somehow.

-Patrick

--
Patrick Muldoon
Network/Software Engineer
INOC (http://www.inoc.net)
PGPKEY (http://www.inoc.net/~doon)
Key ID: 0x370D752C

NOTICE: alloc: /dev/null: filesystem full


leigh.porter at ukbroadband

Sep 10, 2007, 3:38 AM

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We used to have a POP under somebodys stairs in Bristol in the UK and
another POP in the loft of a friend of one of the employees. They sold
their house and the POP stayed there and the new owners knew nothing
about it, imagine their surprise when a telco engineer turned up wanting
to fix a fibre fault ;-)

--
Leigh


Patrick Muldoon wrote:
>
> On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:34 AM, Vinny Abello wrote:
>
>> One of the stranger things a field tech of ours encountered wasn't
>> necessarily bad wiring (although it's not great), but the fact that
>> the demarc was located next to the toilet in the bathroom. Naturally,
>> the constant humidity caused bad corrosion problems and other issues
>> with their telco services. :) So as a general rule of thumb, avoid
>> putting your telco and/or network gear next to the crapper or the
>> services the equipment is meant to provide might also stink
>
>
> I know of one ISP that had their local POP in a small rural town, the
> bathroom of a local store, sitting on a shelf in rather close
> proximity to the sink (Sorry don't have pictures). So Router, modem
> bank and a couple T1's. The kicker was they had it all plugged into
> an extension cord that ran to another part of a back room. More than
> 1 time we (as the local telco) had to go out there cause they where
> certain it was a problem with the Ts, When in fact someone had either
> tripped over the power cord or unplugged it somehow.
>
> -Patrick
>
> --
> Patrick Muldoon
> Network/Software Engineer
> INOC (http://www.inoc.net)
> PGPKEY (http://www.inoc.net/~doon)
> Key ID: 0x370D752C
>
> NOTICE: alloc: /dev/null: filesystem full


warren at kumari

Sep 10, 2007, 7:56 AM

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One of the places where I worked had a bunch of networking gear and
around 12x1U servers all squeezed into a shower stall.... There was a
cardboard sign hanging from the faucet saying "WARNING!!! Do not turn
on"

W



On Sep 10, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:

>
>
> We used to have a POP under somebodys stairs in Bristol in the UK and
> another POP in the loft of a friend of one of the employees. They sold
> their house and the POP stayed there and the new owners knew nothing
> about it, imagine their surprise when a telco engineer turned up
> wanting
> to fix a fibre fault ;-)
>
> --
> Leigh
>
>
> Patrick Muldoon wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:34 AM, Vinny Abello wrote:
>>
>>> One of the stranger things a field tech of ours encountered wasn't
>>> necessarily bad wiring (although it's not great), but the fact that
>>> the demarc was located next to the toilet in the bathroom.
>>> Naturally,
>>> the constant humidity caused bad corrosion problems and other issues
>>> with their telco services. :) So as a general rule of thumb, avoid
>>> putting your telco and/or network gear next to the crapper or the
>>> services the equipment is meant to provide might also stink
>>
>>
>> I know of one ISP that had their local POP in a small rural town,
>> the
>> bathroom of a local store, sitting on a shelf in rather close
>> proximity to the sink (Sorry don't have pictures). So Router, modem
>> bank and a couple T1's. The kicker was they had it all plugged into
>> an extension cord that ran to another part of a back room. More
>> than
>> 1 time we (as the local telco) had to go out there cause they where
>> certain it was a problem with the Ts, When in fact someone had either
>> tripped over the power cord or unplugged it somehow.
>>
>> -Patrick
>>
>> --
>> Patrick Muldoon
>> Network/Software Engineer
>> INOC (http://www.inoc.net)
>> PGPKEY (http://www.inoc.net/~doon)
>> Key ID: 0x370D752C
>>
>> NOTICE: alloc: /dev/null: filesystem full
>


Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

Sep 10, 2007, 8:00 AM

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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:14:23 PDT, Jay Hennigan said:

> > http://users.tellurian.com/vabello/bathroom-demarc.jpg
>
> On the plus side, they didn't have to go far for a ground.

I have more than once encountered a grounding wire securely fastened to
a 4" wastewater pipe, totally oblivious to the fact it wasn't cast iron but PVC.


smb at cs

Sep 10, 2007, 8:32 AM

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:00:08 -0400
Valdis.Kletnieks[at]vt.edu wrote:

> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:14:23 PDT, Jay Hennigan said:
>
> > > http://users.tellurian.com/vabello/bathroom-demarc.jpg
> >
> > On the plus side, they didn't have to go far for a ground.
>
> I have more than once encountered a grounding wire securely fastened
> to a 4" wastewater pipe, totally oblivious to the fact it wasn't cast
> iron but PVC.
>
To be sure, the National Electrical Code only permits pipe grounds
within five feet of the building entrance, because of concerns about
plastic pipe use along the route. That said, you seem to have
encountered people with their clue bit solidly pulled by ground to 0...


--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb


leigh.porter at ukbroadband

Sep 10, 2007, 8:33 AM

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Well, this one time, at band-camp ....

Blake Pfankuch wrote:
> One of my clients has their 34U cabinet under the stairs of the main
> entrance to the facility. Mind you wood plank stairs, trafficked by
> hundreds if not thousands of people a day. Over the top of the cabinet
> hangs an extra long shower curtain, at an angle so that all water or mud
> that falls through the wood slats actually drips down the "shower
> curtain" and then runs down the drain, 3 feet away, to the sewer system.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog[at]merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog[at]merit.edu] On Behalf Of
> Warren Kumari
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: Leigh Porter
> Cc: Patrick Muldoon; Vinny Abello; nanog[at]merit.edu
> Subject: Re: shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know
> where it went?
>
>
> One of the places where I worked had a bunch of networking gear and
> around 12x1U servers all squeezed into a shower stall.... There was a
> cardboard sign hanging from the faucet saying "WARNING!!! Do not turn
> on"
>
> W
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
>
>
>> We used to have a POP under somebodys stairs in Bristol in the UK and
>> another POP in the loft of a friend of one of the employees. They sold
>> their house and the POP stayed there and the new owners knew nothing
>> about it, imagine their surprise when a telco engineer turned up
>> wanting
>> to fix a fibre fault ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Leigh
>>
>>
>> Patrick Muldoon wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:34 AM, Vinny Abello wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> One of the stranger things a field tech of ours encountered wasn't
>>>> necessarily bad wiring (although it's not great), but the fact that
>>>> the demarc was located next to the toilet in the bathroom.
>>>> Naturally,
>>>> the constant humidity caused bad corrosion problems and other issues
>>>> with their telco services. :) So as a general rule of thumb, avoid
>>>> putting your telco and/or network gear next to the crapper or the
>>>> services the equipment is meant to provide might also stink
>>>>
>>> I know of one ISP that had their local POP in a small rural town,
>>> the
>>> bathroom of a local store, sitting on a shelf in rather close
>>> proximity to the sink (Sorry don't have pictures). So Router, modem
>>> bank and a couple T1's. The kicker was they had it all plugged into
>>> an extension cord that ran to another part of a back room. More
>>> than
>>> 1 time we (as the local telco) had to go out there cause they where
>>> certain it was a problem with the Ts, When in fact someone had either
>>> tripped over the power cord or unplugged it somehow.
>>>
>>> -Patrick
>>>
>>> --
>>> Patrick Muldoon
>>> Network/Software Engineer
>>> INOC (http://www.inoc.net)
>>> PGPKEY (http://www.inoc.net/~doon)
>>> Key ID: 0x370D752C
>>>
>>> NOTICE: alloc: /dev/null: filesystem full
>>>


streiner at cluebyfour

Sep 10, 2007, 8:33 AM

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Warren Kumari wrote:

> One of the places where I worked had a bunch of networking gear and around
> 12x1U servers all squeezed into a shower stall.... There was a cardboard sign
> hanging from the faucet saying "WARNING!!! Do not turn on"

Not too far from the dial POP I mentioned in my last post, was another
dial/T1 POP in northwestern Maryland. Prior to our acquisition of the
company that originally built the POP, it was located in two rooms of the
basement of a 200-ish year old homestead in the area.

That wasn't the problem - structurally, the building was perfectly fine.
The only problem specific to the building was a total lack of cooling in
the basement. Several racks of routers, servers, and telco gear throw off
lots of heat, so the temperature in that room was never below 95 degrees
even in the dead of winter. There were also some well-fed cockroaches,
who would occasionally help us move equipment. My only conern with them
was that they'd threaten to unionize and lobby for better working
conditions :)

http://www.cluebyfour.org/~streiner/hgr-pop-2000-roaches.JPG

The telco demarc for the T1s. The bread racks holding the routers and
dial gear would be just to the left of this view. You can see some of the
spider web wiring peeking out from the beams above.

http://www.cluebyfour.org/~streiner/hgr-pop-2000-far-end.JPG

More telco gear in another part of the basement. Yes, the muxes are
wrapped in plastic, apparently to keep the dust off of them :)

http://www.cluebyfour.org/~streiner/hgr-pop-2000-separate-telco-room.JPG

The problem was the installation work done by some of the people who
worked for the company we acquired. T1 blocks were on one wall and the
routers were in the opposite corner of the room - total distance was about
30-35 feet if the wiring was done 'the right way'. The solution I found
they used was to buy a bunch of 100-foot Cat5 jumpers and loop the excess
length back and forth on itself, cinch it all together with zip ties (bend
radius recommendations be damned) then anchor the whole mess to one of the
ceiling beams with a staple gun. Multiply that by 20-ish T1s and the
ceiling turned into a spider web very quickly. Power distribution was
also very interesting. It consisted of a piece of Romex pulled from a
nearby electrical panel to a string of household duplex outlet boxes
nailed to a 2x4. Somewhere in the mess of wiring for that beast, it
appears that the maker never bothered to test for a good ground...

jms


adrian at creative

Sep 10, 2007, 8:49 AM

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On Mon, Sep 10, 2007, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

> To be sure, the National Electrical Code only permits pipe grounds
> within five feet of the building entrance, because of concerns about
> plastic pipe use along the route. That said, you seem to have
> encountered people with their clue bit solidly pulled by ground to 0...

Thats an understatement. A 0 in one ground is a 1 at another..



Adrian


randy at psg

Sep 10, 2007, 8:19 PM

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> I have more than once encountered a grounding wire securely fastened to
> a 4" wastewater pipe, totally oblivious to the fact it wasn't cast iron but PVC.

http://rip.psg.com/~randy/070908.agra/P1010309.jpg


joe at sendjoeanemail

Sep 10, 2007, 8:34 PM

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> > I have more than once encountered a grounding wire securely fastened
to
> > a 4" wastewater pipe, totally oblivious to the fact it wasn't cast
iron but PVC.
>
> http://rip.psg.com/~randy/070908.agra/P1010309.jpg

I noticed similar strip down the side of the Doges Palace in Venice. The
metal of choice, however, left a lovely rust stain in the priceless
marble, however. At least they did it on a wall facing an alley.


-joe

-------------------------------------------------
Joseph A. Johnson, MCSE, MCP, A+
Chief Technology Officer
Riverside Consulting Group, Ltd.

Email: joe[at]riversidecg.com
Web: www.riversidecg.com
Phone: 312-231-8315


web at typo

Sep 11, 2007, 10:06 AM

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Alright, this is all scary familiar and bringing back bad memories.

Wooden modem racks, POPs in disued bathrooms, demarcs so stuffed with
wire (solder post, wrap, AND 66 blocks) that you can't find your
cable, movin' cools exhausting hot air into a hall way just to get the
POP down to 90... And the most interesting bit was just what sort of
buildings you could manage to find 300 pair to. Why a small hair salon
had a need for a 100 pair cable is beyond me.

Then of course there's the stories of things like coring a hole
through a floor only to come up in the middle of the hallway upstairs
by mistake because someone didn't know how to measure, and the myriad
beanie bundles splicing 25 pair cables that "accidentally" got
cut made even more obvious by the large quantity of electrical tape
holding the thing together...

The things we had to go through for dialup.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:34:22AM -0400, Vinny Abello wrote:
>
> Scott Weeks wrote:
> > --- streiner[at]cluebyfour.org wrote: -------------
> > From: "Justin M. Streiner" <streiner[at]cluebyfour.org>
> >
> > Note that telcos are not immune to shoddy cabling/installation work.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > http://www.cluebyfour.org/~streiner/mbr-pop-2000-ladder.JPG
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Do that at the telco in Hawaii and you won't be working here very long. ;-) The installation work and wiring here is something to swoon over.
>
> One of the stranger things a field tech of ours encountered wasn't necessarily bad wiring (although it's not great), but the fact that the demarc was located next to the toilet in the bathroom. Naturally, the constant humidity caused bad corrosion problems and other issues with their telco services. :) So as a general rule of thumb, avoid putting your telco and/or network gear next to the crapper or the services the equipment is meant to provide might also stink.
>
> http://users.tellurian.com/vabello/bathroom-demarc.jpg
>
> --
>
> Vinny Abello
> Network Engineer
> Server Management
> vinny[at]tellurian.com
> (973)300-9211 x 125
> (973)940-6125 (Direct)
> PGP Key Fingerprint: 3BC5 9A48 FC78 03D3 82E0 E935 5325 FBCB 0100 977A
>
> Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection
> http://www.tellurian.com (888)TELLURIAN
>
> "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear" -- Mark Twain

---
Wayne Bouchard
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Network Dude
http://www.typo.org/~web/


alex at corp

Sep 11, 2007, 11:04 AM

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> Alright, this is all scary familiar and bringing back bad memories.
>
> Wooden modem racks, POPs in disued bathrooms, demarcs so stuffed with

At one point, we had 200 pair installed into a two family house in rural
NJ. The pop was in the basement, which had dirt floors.

Or, the local phone company begging us to get lines in different CO's so
that we wouldn't overload inter-office trunks and tandems.

Or, the custom made racks to hold USR Sportster modems (which had to be
removed from their enclosure)

Or, Livingston PM3's that cost $17k for two PRIs

Or, full BGP between AGIS and iMCI (note the 'i') on a 2501

Or, when you had a mail server (it was monolithic, remember) fail, and
you told customers, they'd say, "OK, I'll check my mail tomorrow"


Ah, the good old days.


adrian at creative

Sep 11, 2007, 7:06 PM

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Re: shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went? [In reply to]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2007, Alex Rubenstein wrote:

> Or, the local phone company begging us to get lines in different CO's so
> that we wouldn't overload inter-office trunks and tandems.

Or the weekly exchange 'reboots' that happened at ~1am. the MRTG graphs of
your dialins would show everyone logging off quickly followed by 100% of
CPU use as people autodialed back in..

> Or, the custom made racks to hold USR Sportster modems (which had to be
> removed from their enclosure)

.. and the custom toroidal 10A 12V AC PSUs you'd have to build (and get
tagged by an electrician!) because 300 odd modems in a small space meant
you had 300 odd black wallwarts..

> Or, Livingston PM3's that cost $17k for two PRIs

.. hahahaha. And the PM3's that had busted-ass TS015 (I think) PRI code
which meant they wouldn't properly work in Australia. We had to roll
Bay 5399's (with the BLUE LED of doom) or AS5200's.

Migrating to Euro ISDN was a smart move. Thanks Telecom.

Anyone remember when Cisco would sell the "dial solution" as AS5200's with
Cisco VXR's doing L2F offload?

(Our solution: disable PPP multilink on the normal dialin; have a different
number + 2 PRIs for the multilink clients.)

> Or, full BGP between AGIS and iMCI (note the 'i') on a 2501

> Or, when you had a mail server (it was monolithic, remember) fail, and
> you told customers, they'd say, "OK, I'll check my mail tomorrow"

.. how's that different from ISPs today?

:)



Adrian

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